Call Goes Out For Shooter Cease Fire
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So if not playing shooters means respect to the family and victims... then playing them anyway means... disrespect?
I realise that's not what anyone is saying, but it's what is implied by the logic of this whole thing, and since it isn't actually the case then why bother?
Yeah no thanks, I'll just stick with my shooters and not let some arse-hole psycopath darken another of my days.
I realise that's not what anyone is saying, but it's what is implied by the logic of this whole thing, and since it isn't actually the case then why bother?
Yeah no thanks, I'll just stick with my shooters and not let some arse-hole psycopath darken another of my days.
To make a statement that....Wait, what is the statement again?Squilookle said:
America: the land of empty token gestures.
Okay, so on topic, let me just say this: The shooting in CT was horrible. I'm sad that I've had to start making a disclaimer like that, but I'm sick of people countering anything I say with statements that make it sound like I enjoyed it or something. I have family and friends who live near the area, so it hits me sort of close to home. I'm not happy it happened, and I'm not happy with the way things are.
But if I game on the 21st, and if I play a shooter on the 21st, it will not be to disrespect the dead. If I don't, it will not be because of this campaign. This is an empty, meaningless gesture and we really don't need to add more of them. That's what America does: we mourn, say it's a tragedy, and move on like nothing happened. We need to talk about the serious issues here:
1. Why are these shootings really happening?
2. Gun control (pro or con, there NEEDS TO BE DIALOGUE)
3. Mental health.
And we need to then come up with something. We need a resolution, rather than tabling it until the next massacre (school shooting or otherwise), which IS our usual solution to these things.
I'm not going to ignore the lives that were lost. But that has nothing at all to do with gaming.
No, Dawn of War falls into a genre formally known as 'f*ckawesome'. I think you're safe. ;DVeryOddGamer said:
PS - at some point in the near future I worry they're going to turn off the servers for it. Does this seem likely to you?
I can't play CoD with just knives. I get my ass kicked already.
I can appreciate the sentiment but wouldn't it be a lot better to get people to stop shooting REAL guns for a day? If they can get that to happen, I'll stop shooting digital guns for a day.
I still find it interesting that people insist that this is EITHER a gun control issue OR a mental health issue when it's obviously both.
How long would it have taken a mentally ill person to shoot 27 people back when the 2nd amendment was written?
I can appreciate the sentiment but wouldn't it be a lot better to get people to stop shooting REAL guns for a day? If they can get that to happen, I'll stop shooting digital guns for a day.
I still find it interesting that people insist that this is EITHER a gun control issue OR a mental health issue when it's obviously both.
How long would it have taken a mentally ill person to shoot 27 people back when the 2nd amendment was written?
You are right, we are off topic. It's simple really, no one has to do what this guy is asking. I am not going to do it simply because I hate to add further to the sensationalism of the situation. And it would be like collective gamers admitting that gaming has something to do with violent crime, despite what the guy may have stated. Also, there have been situation where if more people were allowed to be armed, similar catastrophes could have been averted, but we'll just gloss over them now.Squilookle said:
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I was for it but after reading other posts, this would have the opptisite effect and only add fuel to the games=violence debate which is what nutjobs like Jack Thompson want; and seeing how gun regulation is now back in the nation spotlight, I would not want restricting violence in video games or restricting video games in general dragged into this mess.
I was for it but after reading other posts, this would have the opptisite effect and only add fuel to the games=violence debate which is what nutjobs like Jack Thompson want; and seeing how gun regulation is now back in the nation spotlight, I would not want restricting violence in video games or restricting video games in general dragged into this mess.
I don't know, I suck at it, so I'm just fucking around in Dark Crusade's campaign. Although I hope they don't, in case I ever get the sudden urge to play it online.Elijah Newton said:
No, Why should we not make this about Gun Control? The People over at Fox News aren't talking about "Games & Violence" because They believe one cause the other. They do it becuase they don't want us to talk about Gun Control. I say we hurt them, let it backfire. Make it about Gun Control, make it about the fact that the world would be a better place if that guy had a knife insted. If the US had some bloody Gun Control the nut would not kill as many as he did. This idea that if we can't stop something completely we should not decrease the damage is the idea of someone that will do nothing that matter.Baresark said:
That's been debunked time and again.Baresark said:
But they are made a whole lot easier by guns, which is where that specious statement starts to break down.
Seriously, when is the last time someone used a hammer to directly kill dozens of people? Or, since cars almost inevitably come up, when's the last time someone drove a car into a school or movie theater and used it to kill people? Hell, contrast it to the 22 stabbings at a school in China. Most were not seriously injured, none died.
Besides, why facilitate murderers? The logic of "they're just going to do it anyway" is ridiculous. shouldn't murder be harder? Should we make it easy for someone to kill 27 people?
Do we oppose seatbelts because people are going to die anyway? We even say "seatbelts save lives," even though steabelts don't save people, people save people.
Are we against food safety because some people will invariably get sick?
When a natural disaster happens, do we just shrug and say "what are you going to do?"
It's pretty damn hard to massacre with a hammer. Or a bowling ball. Or even a knife.
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You wanna help? Go to Connecticut. Offer your actual support and donate money for the funerals. Not playing games for a day is essentially praying, what the fuck is that going to do? Oh they're "in my thoughts." Fuck off. This does nothing to support the people who lost their kids.
You want to actually show some support? Some real respect? Learn the name of a victim. Provide a material or a skill to those affected. Don't be part of a coy publicity stint.
A. How can I stop playing something I already don't?
B. If something else terrible happens that day it could possibly be blamed on the unexpected void in gaming that day.(It's a stretch sure but someone might pull.)
C. Such short notice it won't get out to everyone and everyone who does here likely won't listen so there goes the unified angle.(Not including people playing out of spite.)
D. What time zone would this start in? Your own? then some people could still be playing during every hour of the day.
Wouldn't verifying would require some one to be online to check right? or have access to the various networks traffic records. The intent is nice but the plan is a bit flawed.
B. If something else terrible happens that day it could possibly be blamed on the unexpected void in gaming that day.(It's a stretch sure but someone might pull.)
C. Such short notice it won't get out to everyone and everyone who does here likely won't listen so there goes the unified angle.(Not including people playing out of spite.)
D. What time zone would this start in? Your own? then some people could still be playing during every hour of the day.
Wouldn't verifying would require some one to be online to check right? or have access to the various networks traffic records. The intent is nice but the plan is a bit flawed.
There are plenty of better ways to show respect for the victims of what happened. Not playing video games for a day provides no benefit to anybody, and doesn't bring back the dead. What it does do, is provide 'evidence' for those biased media outlets that video games are linked to the atrocity, and that is something, as a gamer, I do not accept. A better way to show respect would be to organise gamers donating to an appropriate charity, but this solves nothing, and only paints the picture that violent media somehow 'corrupts' peoples minds.ShadowKirby said:
Since you mentioned Fox News, you must surely be familiar with the false equivalence fallacy.Goliath100 said:
It is the "fair and balanced" notion that knives and the like are equally as deadly as guns.
As long as people hold that artificial equity true, it's virtually impossible to argue safety.
This is kinda sad. Come on guys, will not playing shooters for ONE day really be that hard? It's a single stinking day for pity's sake.
On the topic of what the media will say, who cares? They been blaming games since Columbine, and they're still going to no matter what we do. Why do we have to care? They have already tried and failed to get anti-game laws passed, and what makes you think that will be different now?
Yes, this is a pointless gesture. No, it will not change anything. But, it still is a show of respect for the people involved, and to top it off, it requires very little effort. So, just don't play shooters for a single day, do you really have nothing else to play or do?
Oh, and for all those people who actually want to play violent shooters, "out of spite", shame on you. I can understand it if you just don't care enough to participate (I don't like it, but I can understand), but if you want to play a game you wouldn't normally play, like Postal, just to spite the people who actually want to show respect, then you are just being selfish, petty, and obtuse.
On the topic of what the media will say, who cares? They been blaming games since Columbine, and they're still going to no matter what we do. Why do we have to care? They have already tried and failed to get anti-game laws passed, and what makes you think that will be different now?
Yes, this is a pointless gesture. No, it will not change anything. But, it still is a show of respect for the people involved, and to top it off, it requires very little effort. So, just don't play shooters for a single day, do you really have nothing else to play or do?
Oh, and for all those people who actually want to play violent shooters, "out of spite", shame on you. I can understand it if you just don't care enough to participate (I don't like it, but I can understand), but if you want to play a game you wouldn't normally play, like Postal, just to spite the people who actually want to show respect, then you are just being selfish, petty, and obtuse.
