Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3: Australia
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Well, the Australian military has had some experience invading Russia, but it didn't end all that well last time.jackpipsam said:
We'd get bent over a table and shafted quite severely if Russia were to invade us. We'd be able to hold out for a little while, but eventually they'd crush us and force everyone to hang up curtains of iron in their houses.
We don't need the army to fight em off. We'll just use the native wildlife *preps spider cage traps*
If this is only half-accurate - any invading nation is going to have a hell of a time getting anywhere:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/AussiesWithArtillery
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/AussiesWithArtillery
Seriously?
Well, assuming that the Russians could actually get down here, we would get our arses handed to us in short order.
The Australian military is fairly well trained, but it's poorly equiped and downright puny in size. Also, we have no military industry to speak of. The vast majority of our equipment and supplies are imported. Everything would start running out real fast.
There is a reason that our entire defence plan amounts to, "Stand around shitting ourselves until the Americans get here... hopefully."
However, in Call of Duty logic, we would win because we are predominantly white and we speak English.
Well, assuming that the Russians could actually get down here, we would get our arses handed to us in short order.
The Australian military is fairly well trained, but it's poorly equiped and downright puny in size. Also, we have no military industry to speak of. The vast majority of our equipment and supplies are imported. Everything would start running out real fast.
There is a reason that our entire defence plan amounts to, "Stand around shitting ourselves until the Americans get here... hopefully."
However, in Call of Duty logic, we would win because we are predominantly white and we speak English.
Australia is similar to Russia in the fact that the climate makes it extremely difficult for foreigners who aren't used to it adapt. However, our population density is extremely high around the coast, so I suppose that isn't a big deal. On a serious note, not much is known about the Australian military on a public level. In all honesty, I haven't even heard of ASIS until just now when I googled it, in contrast to the constantly-poked-at-by-media CIA and not-as-much NSA.
This is a little bit offtopic, but unlike American politics, Australian politics is mostly one party who is prepared for a debate, and the other party prepared to be politicians - I'm looking at you Family First Party, who oddly enough got a seat as opposed to the Australian Sex Party considering they got destroyed on national TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS_gR6ahd3o <-- How do I embed youtube videos?
Because we don't talk about important stuff, the Australian military isn't actually that powerful in my opnion. If Russia were to invade Australia, I'm not too sure that Australia would be able to hold off an attack without the help from our *cough*goodfriends*cough* Americans.
This is a little bit offtopic, but unlike American politics, Australian politics is mostly one party who is prepared for a debate, and the other party prepared to be politicians - I'm looking at you Family First Party, who oddly enough got a seat as opposed to the Australian Sex Party considering they got destroyed on national TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS_gR6ahd3o <-- How do I embed youtube videos?
Because we don't talk about important stuff, the Australian military isn't actually that powerful in my opnion. If Russia were to invade Australia, I'm not too sure that Australia would be able to hold off an attack without the help from our *cough*goodfriends*cough* Americans.
Yeah man, we have an drop bear traps, kangaroos for speedy transportation on the battlefield and some cane toads to eat up all their supplies xDSupabadMan said:
Yeah, but probably because he will infect the Russians with his stupidity, and they will die out like the dodos did.jackpipsam said:
Russia could not properly invade Australia right now. While Russia does have a large, competent land-force that has a lot of firepower, and although it is rapidly modernizing its air-force, it has almost no Navy. The Russian Navy has almost no air-craft carriers (no modern ones at least), and few ships equipped to transport and supply an army across an ocean. The Russian navy is geared more towards Defence, utilizing surface-to-surface beyond-horizon anti-ship missiles.
Although Australia's Navy is incredibly weak (6 of our 12 most modern destroyers are in no shape to actually fight), we do have a competent airforce which could mount a coastal defence (although, admittedly, not for long given Russian superiority in air-power and sheer numbers). An invasion into Australia would not go well for the Australians - we simply do not have enough tanks to hold off an invasion if they managed to get a lot of troops to our shores.
Thankfully, the US would almost certainly step in, and Russia knows this. With the US fleet on our side, Russia would have no chance of actually crossing.
If Russia started to build up its fleet, it might pose a threat to the US Navy. But as it stands right now, the Russian Navy is under-funded and the Russian government currently has no plans to build a truck-load of new air-craft carriers. Russia is building its army up primarily for defence and local power projection. It has no plans to invade the rest of the world, it has no ambitions beyond kicking Eastern Europe around, so why would they waste money building up the capability to launch force overseas? Unlike the Americans, the Russians have absolutely no desire to play "Globocop" and no desire to "conquer" Australia.
So if Russia tried to invade Australia, we could hold out by ourselves for a while, but eventually we'd be overwhelmed. If we still have the US on our side, the Russians couldn't actually get here. Period. Their Blue-Sea capability is nearly non-existent right now.
Same goes for China: China's got a big land force, a pretty scary air-force, but it's Navy is extremely weak. Unlike Russia, however, China actually DOES plan to bolster its Navy, and build many, many new Aircraft carriers. If anyone could/would invade Australia, it would be the Chinese, but I somehow think that's highly unlikely. The Chinese generally have no desire to "conquer" other lands. They're happy with the land they've got, they've got no desire to attack and consume other nations. If China really wanted to, it could have claimed Vietnam, Burma, Thailand and Laos - but it hasn't. And it's not going to. The Chinese have a very clear-cut concept of "what China is", and they really don't care for taking over lands that they consider "not china".
EDIT: Okay, assuming that they actually magically DID manage to get here (somehow), we'd be in trouble. Australia has about 50,000 - 70,000 "trained" troops, and about 20,000 of them are just reservists. To be fair, our troops are pretty good shots and they know what they are doing. Unfortunately, we don't have the money, the oil, the supplies or the manpower to last very long. We've got about 50 or so M1 Abrams tanks, given to us by the Americans, but they are the "export" version and they aren't actually very good. The Russians, if they could get here, could deploy thousands of tanks. Doesn't matter if they aren't as good as the M1 (although some of them, especially the T-90 are pretty damn scary), hundreds if not thousands of tanks CANNOT be stopped by just 50 or so tanks. Australia is also a rather sparse country with few major centres of population and manufacturing. Once you capture the 5 cities that matter (Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide), the Russians are laughing - all they have to do is blockade six cities, a couple of highways, and they've essentially cut our population centres apart and frozen our capacity to fight back. Russian Tanks could just drive around the outback at will - Australia's still mostly desert and shrub-land.
So, to sum up:
1) We simply don't have the numbers to fight off an invasion
2) We don't have the equipment
3) We don't have the money
4) We don't have the amount of cities and manufacturing centres necessary
5) Our population is too concentrated and our transport is contingent on a few major highways
6) Our Navy is incredibly ill-equipped to stave off any invasion attempt
But none of that matters since the Russians will never get here. They don't want to get here, their navy is also weak, and the US is allied with us. So there's nothing to fear.
But yeah, if they did invade, we're screwed. We simply do not have the means by which to hold them off. I'm sure we'd give a very spirited defence, but we'd be doomed without international help from either the UK or the US.
Although Australia's Navy is incredibly weak (6 of our 12 most modern destroyers are in no shape to actually fight), we do have a competent airforce which could mount a coastal defence (although, admittedly, not for long given Russian superiority in air-power and sheer numbers). An invasion into Australia would not go well for the Australians - we simply do not have enough tanks to hold off an invasion if they managed to get a lot of troops to our shores.
Thankfully, the US would almost certainly step in, and Russia knows this. With the US fleet on our side, Russia would have no chance of actually crossing.
If Russia started to build up its fleet, it might pose a threat to the US Navy. But as it stands right now, the Russian Navy is under-funded and the Russian government currently has no plans to build a truck-load of new air-craft carriers. Russia is building its army up primarily for defence and local power projection. It has no plans to invade the rest of the world, it has no ambitions beyond kicking Eastern Europe around, so why would they waste money building up the capability to launch force overseas? Unlike the Americans, the Russians have absolutely no desire to play "Globocop" and no desire to "conquer" Australia.
So if Russia tried to invade Australia, we could hold out by ourselves for a while, but eventually we'd be overwhelmed. If we still have the US on our side, the Russians couldn't actually get here. Period. Their Blue-Sea capability is nearly non-existent right now.
Same goes for China: China's got a big land force, a pretty scary air-force, but it's Navy is extremely weak. Unlike Russia, however, China actually DOES plan to bolster its Navy, and build many, many new Aircraft carriers. If anyone could/would invade Australia, it would be the Chinese, but I somehow think that's highly unlikely. The Chinese generally have no desire to "conquer" other lands. They're happy with the land they've got, they've got no desire to attack and consume other nations. If China really wanted to, it could have claimed Vietnam, Burma, Thailand and Laos - but it hasn't. And it's not going to. The Chinese have a very clear-cut concept of "what China is", and they really don't care for taking over lands that they consider "not china".
EDIT: Okay, assuming that they actually magically DID manage to get here (somehow), we'd be in trouble. Australia has about 50,000 - 70,000 "trained" troops, and about 20,000 of them are just reservists. To be fair, our troops are pretty good shots and they know what they are doing. Unfortunately, we don't have the money, the oil, the supplies or the manpower to last very long. We've got about 50 or so M1 Abrams tanks, given to us by the Americans, but they are the "export" version and they aren't actually very good. The Russians, if they could get here, could deploy thousands of tanks. Doesn't matter if they aren't as good as the M1 (although some of them, especially the T-90 are pretty damn scary), hundreds if not thousands of tanks CANNOT be stopped by just 50 or so tanks. Australia is also a rather sparse country with few major centres of population and manufacturing. Once you capture the 5 cities that matter (Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide), the Russians are laughing - all they have to do is blockade six cities, a couple of highways, and they've essentially cut our population centres apart and frozen our capacity to fight back. Russian Tanks could just drive around the outback at will - Australia's still mostly desert and shrub-land.
So, to sum up:
1) We simply don't have the numbers to fight off an invasion
2) We don't have the equipment
3) We don't have the money
4) We don't have the amount of cities and manufacturing centres necessary
5) Our population is too concentrated and our transport is contingent on a few major highways
6) Our Navy is incredibly ill-equipped to stave off any invasion attempt
But none of that matters since the Russians will never get here. They don't want to get here, their navy is also weak, and the US is allied with us. So there's nothing to fear.
But yeah, if they did invade, we're screwed. We simply do not have the means by which to hold them off. I'm sure we'd give a very spirited defence, but we'd be doomed without international help from either the UK or the US.
