Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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That was my whole point. It was a way to dispatch a main antagonist without the need for a way over done, 80s throw back, boss fight. I have nothing against boss fights, they can be really enjoyable. I just want more variation. While talking about over powered pistols, Im sure Yahtzee mentioned the over powered, regeneration halting pistols in the showdowns on Call of Juarez.JimmyBassatti said:
I'm not mad at nintendo for pandering to the casuals, I'm just disappointed.
They're slowly becoming Pop Cap for the big boys, but That's good for a buisnuess perspective. Let's not forget that all major game platforms and companies want to make money. I'm just worried that nintendo's gonna focus on nothing but casuals, which is why I'm woried about Metroid and Zelda.
I think if nintendo focused on making the Wii more gamer oriented it could work, but they've stopped caring because they've found a futt bucking gold mine. Let's be honest If any of us were in their position we'd probably be doing the same thing to support our cocaine and hooker habits.
They're slowly becoming Pop Cap for the big boys, but That's good for a buisnuess perspective. Let's not forget that all major game platforms and companies want to make money. I'm just worried that nintendo's gonna focus on nothing but casuals, which is why I'm woried about Metroid and Zelda.
I think if nintendo focused on making the Wii more gamer oriented it could work, but they've stopped caring because they've found a futt bucking gold mine. Let's be honest If any of us were in their position we'd probably be doing the same thing to support our cocaine and hooker habits.
As mentioned by others, that is just a hollywood gimmick. Cowboys didn't have much honor at all. Most badguys raped women, shoot people in the back and then made up stories about how they fucked up one hundred indians in one single battle. "Cowboy" is a very loose term. It seems that anyone is a cowboy as long as they have a gun but no badge.headshotcatcher said:
It's not about playing on the Wii! Christ! How can you not understand this? He doesn't say the Wii isn't for hardcore gamers. He says that Nintendo isn't focusing on the hardcore crowd. They make games that apeal to the general public. Games that you can get into really fast but aren't that advanced or interesting in the long run. The Sonic franchise is dead, all hardcore gamers know that, but Nintendo keeps making them to draw in kids who know nothing about the games or how bad they are.TheEnglishman said:
Sony and Microsoft are treating their hardcore crowd with respect. Well, atleast with more respect than Nintendo. They keep making sequels to good games with improvements, they give us what we want. But we never hear anything from nintendo. We know that there is going to be a new mario and a new metroid for the wii... And that's it. How can you be so thick that you do not understand that. Nintendos marketing for the console is basically "Look, we have a console for the whole family with simple games you can enjoy for about an hour a day". That's not appealing to the hardcore fans, that's apealing to the casual gamers.
The points about the Showdown mechanic were accurate, and they do get tiring. There probably isn't a way to make them more exciting, so cutting the number down may be the best option. And Yahtzee's rebuttal of that guy was vicious and acerbic. As it should be. "Hardcore" doesn't describe the setting, it describes the attitude. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
While plenty of people are just plain sick of new Mario/Zelda, etc titles I'd say theres plenty who aren't sick of them as such (maybe), but can't help but think 'Just imagine what Nintendo could do if they stopped obsessing over those franchises'.
With the Wii it seems a lot have added 'Casual Gamers' to 'those franchises' and while I find Wii Sports and co fun (and yes I confess I have an 360 for other games), they have a point.
With the Wii it seems a lot have added 'Casual Gamers' to 'those franchises' and while I find Wii Sports and co fun (and yes I confess I have an 360 for other games), they have a point.
Wow. I have finally found a decent description of Hardcore and Causal gamers. I have learned I am a hardcore gamer. Thank you, Yahtzee! Thank you for making me realize that actually giving a shit about games is a sign of strength and not a sign of just misplaced annoyances.
Many thanks Mr. Croshaw for depicting hardcore gamers. However, I fear that even Microsoft and Sony will soon jump the motion sensitive controls bandwagon therefore abandoning their own fanbase. Game publishers and developers will continue pursuing the casual dollar.
I love you dearly for that.AmrasCalmacil said:
I never had a problem with the showdowns. The only times I lost were when my hand was too far away from my gun. When my hand was in the right position (and the game TELLS you when that is) I inevitably won the showdown.
The Gamecube was aimed squarely at the core market and was largely ignored for the PS2. Nintendo could either find new customers or continue to be ignored by the current ones. In your House of the Dead: Overkill [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/600-House-of-the-Dead-Overkill] video, you say that you can't blame them for this, and now you're ranting about Nintendo's "betrayal" of "hardcore" players? Which is your actual position regarding the company?
The more you make your audience want something, the harder they'll fall from your grace when they get what you DO end up making.AmrasCalmacil said:
Look at SPORE. It basically obliterated the faith of thousands and thousands of gamers. Nintendo will create a craving for quality games that they won't be able to service and it will cause them to suffer dearly.
I doubt they'll die but it'll be another Virtua Boy gaff.
I am kinda a wild west buff and that is complete and utter BS as far as I have heard there have been one showdown. was when someone tooks hickhocks prized pocket watch from a bet and was going to walk though the town square with it hickhock showed up the guy with the pocketwatch fired off a shot that buzzed by his head then hickhock drilled him though the heart. They had no honor it was either a gun battle where everyone hid behind a table or you walked up behind a guy while he was playing poker and drilled him in the back of the head then turn and ran like hell.
Woah, Yahtzee actually reads comments? Quick-I must post something amazing!
Or not.
You know they did the quickdraw minigame first in Red Dead Revolver, right? It was crap in that game, too. I think the best quickdraw game I ever saw was the one in Kirby's Adventure for the NES.
Or not.
You know they did the quickdraw minigame first in Red Dead Revolver, right? It was crap in that game, too. I think the best quickdraw game I ever saw was the one in Kirby's Adventure for the NES.
As am I. Probably the best description of the term I've heard in a while. Why do they people "hardcore" gamers with games that have only a moderate difficulty? Now somebody who beats every difficulty of Gradius V, THAT person is hardcore.MaxTheReaper said:
Edit: And what's all this garbage about cowboys having honor and ethics? Some people around here need to watch Unforgiven.
And I would say that's because there weren't enough games for hardcore gamers. Aside from a sprinkling of first party titles there was practically nothing for the gamecube. The Wii has the same exact same problem and is only selling well because it's a cheap gimmicky toy.Stabby Joe said: