Cameron: Smoking Cigarettes in Avatar Comments on Obsessive Gamers

Phenakist

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Speaking as a teenager, ok so she smokes big whoop, not like we see that in every other movie and I mean it's not like you would want people trying to invent smoking stealing it from a movie... OH WAIT it IS a real thing and we see it every day... While the mass population of ASBO's may want to smoke, and most "in crowds" in school, they've probably been doing it since they were 5 and hell they probably hate sci-fi since it takes some imagination and wouldn't even watch Avatar. And any teenager will have already made a decision whether they want to smoke or not by the time they are old enough to see the movie.. so I'm sorry.. this argument is irrelevant.
 

Cmwissy

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I don't know what kind of idiot child see's the movie and says 'Golly gee - now I want to smoke'

I think they are making their own little stories.
 

Stephanos132

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I suppose these groups still don't realise that by making things (like smoking) evil/dangerous/teh debbil, they somewhat contribute to its glamour and make it appeal to the rebellious side of human nature (which teenagers seem to have in greater supply, or so I'm told). So, obviously it comes as a surprise that the amount of smokers (in the UK at least) apparently went up not long after the much lamented smoking ban came into effect. No-one learned the lesson of Prohibition, clearly.

That said, I certainly didn't expect much of Avatar other than the 'pocahontas in space' thing, and the only thing I picked up on was the 'white man is evil forest destroyer' and my friend mentioning 'mighty whitey' (ie, the idea that something is difficult to do and occurs fairly rarely, and token white hero does it with no real difficulty (i refer, of course, to the taming of the big orange flying thing)). The characters smoking had no effect on me whatsoever.
 

koga88

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I barely even noted the fact that she asked for the cigarette. Sure I remember it, but god knows that's not a focal point of the movie, and you barely even see her smoke. I thought that she was just in the avatar machine for a long time, and when she got out she needed her fix, that's all. If she got out of the machine and asked for food, would she be considered advocating obesity?
 

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Devils advocate time!

To be fair, yes, there have been movies which try to glorify smoking. It was a bad thing, worthy of complaints. But groups like this did there job. They stopped people from using movies as an advertising tool. And that was good. It likely prevented a lot of people from dying a slow, agonizing death by Cancer. And a certain amount of vigilance is needed to make sure that movies don't turn into propaganda tools again. The problem is that there is suddenly a sizable movement to keep smoking out of movie, and next to no actual enemies to fight. So all they have left to do is invent enemies, and blow things out of proportion. Movements don't just die out overnight, being in a group is nice. So they nitpick Avatar, a movie that if you looking for problems, you could easily find one. You just have to be thinking with Dogma instead of reason, which every last damn one of us does at some point or another. It's a mistake, clearly. But they mean well, and they have a reasonable motivation, they just need to stop and think before they speak.

Also, go easy on Cameron. He isn't actually criticizing gaming. It's not criticizing alcohol if you say that alcoholism is bad. Your just saying that a reasonable pastime should not be taken to an unreasonable, unhealthy, and dangerous extreme. No complaints here. There is no hobby that you should lose yourself in so completely that you neglect your personal well being. Personally, I thought it was nice that smoking cigarettes was portrayed as a minor, but relevant, character flaw in a rounded, flawed, but ultimately admirable character. It's a far better way to decrease smoking then beating the just say no mentality into your head with a sledgehammer.

In honor of this, I'm smoking a Cigar later. I absolutely can't stand cigarettes, but I do smoke a cigar about once every month or 2. Looks like it will be twice for this month.
 

RockTalk21

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Donrad said:
wow they brought up such a bad argument and then bashed the movie based on it? Doesnt seem intelligent, especially becuase watching Grace demand a ciggarette isnt appealing to ANYONE i dont feel like running out and smoking just becuase of it.


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Agreed. There have been movies that have made me want a cigarette. Like that Mel Gibson movie Payback. But seeing the lady from Alien lite up made me want to never smoke again.
 

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zeldakong64 said:
Your avatar is awesome. I loved that strip.

OT: Yeah, we have to watch a film in Health about smoking in films. Given the horrible bias it shows, I would not be surprised to find it was made by these asshats.

And Mr. Cameron did kinda throw us under the bus there. But, hell, we've dealt with worse. *loads M203, prepares to land on Australian coast near Atkinson's house* Or rather, we will have. Shortly.
 

EmoDan

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looking at the films success i wouldnt be suprised if more anti (insert stupidity here) groups join in

lets all watch avatar and pause it every 5minutes and see if we can find more stuff to whine about
 

sokka14

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actually i watched the film and as a result i have since taken up smoking.
same thing happened with trainspotting, but this is definitely worse.

anyway, that would be such a pathetically weak metaphor if it was true. or maybe it is, and that's cameron's idea of social commentary.
 

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Jark212 said:
Xvito said:
Those anti-smoking folks seem almost as intelligent as P.E.T.A...
Yup, I fail to see there logic...

I think Cameron is throwing us under the bus so he doesn't have to argue...
True hes already got our money so who cares now.
 

Knight Templar

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Jark212 said:
Xvito said:
Those anti-smoking folks seem almost as intelligent as P.E.T.A...
Yup, I fail to see there logic...

I think Cameron is throwing us under the bus so he doesn't have to argue...
"Us"?
So you play games obsessively and don't take care of your body?
Unless you do such things then it isn't really realted to you.
 

tmujir955

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tellmeimaninja said:
Thanks, Cameron.

I'm going to shove your 3D goggles down your throat.

People have to stop using a "Look at that neutral group over there! They do bad things!" as a defense. Especially famous people who I was debating whether to let them live or not. It's no now, Cameron.
It's no now?

Wow, never realized how badly a typo can fuck up your argument.

Oh, and I agree with your argument.
 

Mcupobob

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Xvito said:
Those anti-smoking folks seem almost as intelligent as P.E.T.A...
P.E.T.A is going to have comptition for have the stupidest way of dealing with a Problem.

But really these people are worst atleast P.E.T.A has a reasnobaly agenda while these people just want to ban smoking, Because (Gasp) the made a choice that conflicts with there beliefs.
 

Jark212

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Knight Templar said:
Jark212 said:
Xvito said:
Those anti-smoking folks seem almost as intelligent as P.E.T.A...
Yup, I fail to see there logic...

I think Cameron is throwing us under the bus so he doesn't have to argue...
"Us"?
So you play games obsessively and don't take care of your body?
Unless you do such things then it isn't really related to you.
It seams to me that he was throwing out the smoking = stereotypical gamers out there so the anti-smoking nazis would leave him alone.

It's related to all of us who like to play video games and go online...
 

Orcus The Ultimate

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there was a time between a hundred years ago and nowadays, where smoking was considered normal. just ask your grandparents.