Cameron: Smoking Cigarettes in Avatar Comments on Obsessive Gamers
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Those guys need to lay off, as long as kids no its bad for them and its addictive, it should be there choice when they turn 18, or whatever, I don't smoke. Its not even that big of a deal in the movie, would of been fine with out, its not encouraging it.
Popular things get crap like this all the time. Soon P.E.T.A. is gonna get pisses because some alien animals died.
Popular things get crap like this all the time. Soon P.E.T.A. is gonna get pisses because some alien animals died.
Nope, we're stupid, we can't handle "rational" thought and take care of ourselves. People like these groups are just there to hold hands and do NOTHING about survival, why survive when someone will feed you and wipe your ass for you till you die? That is until they die, then suddenly uh-oh, what do I do? Tell a kid as many times as you want that a fork in the socket will hurt, he'll either listen, or go and do it later, either way we learn, but things like this, do zero, absolutely ZERO.Oomii said:
Besides, have they seen the movie? In what way was it surprising to them when she did smoke??
I don't think it is, I mean what Cameron said makes sense, not the kind of bullshit a person would just make up. Also I again don't think that he linked poor health and smoking to all gamers, just the ones who don't look after themselves.Jark212 said:
PETA, Parents televison council, and now these people. Gotta leave people who impose their will on people.
Anti-smoking groups do.Nexus Zef said:
Truthfully they have a lot of good points, especially when it comes to things like corruption in the Tobacco industry and their intentional addiction of their consumer base.
They then push it with intelligent observations like how advertising is intended to get people to try a product. Oddly that arguement led to the ban of a lot of smoking advertisement. Even as a non-smoker I think this bit is ridiculous.
When it comes to films and TV the issue of people smoking in TV and movies is an old one, and it's been under constant attack. Cigarettes being a good acting aid being one of the defenses made in defense of the practice, because nobody really has the brains to just say "so? shut up".
With Avatar being such a massive phenomena every fringe that can find something to get upset about to promote their message is going to do so. Simply putting the name "Avatar" into a headline is going to get attention. If say someone demands you boycott the movie, even if you gnore them, you still heard what they had to say when reading about why they think you should boycott it. I doubt most things like this (boycott "attempts") are intended to actually do more than get attention anyway.
In general I have little objection to people smoking, people have been screaming about the problems with smoking from the rooftops for a few decades now. If people still want to smoke, more power to them. It's not that they don't understand, it's typically that they don't care for one reason or another.
I see no reason why people in the future aren't going to smoke, and furthermore I see no real reason why they might not have found ways to deal with some of the other problems by that point.
I think James Cameron is full of it though, and probably trying to use the "gamer" boogie man as a deflection attempt. Simply put I think the scientist in question, was simply being portrayed as edgy, and smoking like that is a typical characterization tool. As a team leader she's also presumably under a lot of stress, which smoking helps relieve, and the fact that she wants a smoke immediatly says something about the situation (and indeed she's heading right out into an arguement/conflict with her boss, which is apparently not unusual for her).
All I can say to James is that I like his work, but if he wants to pick on gamers even offhandedly, I can point out that he certainly wasn't shy about trying to exploit us with the release of an "Avatar" video game right along with the movie. So much for his concerns for all us gamers who spend too much time playing video games, eh?
Personally I'd rather we get more lulz by seeing more expression of how this huge "white guilt" movie was actually offensive to primitives, due to the hero who saves them being white. I was reading some stuff in the local reservation newsletters about "Why can't the 'natives' do it themselves? Why do they need a white man to come lead them and show them the way? The message is obviously that only a white man can oppose another white man, and we need them to protect and lead all us poor savages". I almost blew a lulz-gasket and thought it was comedy gold given the subject of the movie and no other way I guess they could complain about it (and again use the movie name to get a bigger than normal audience for their ranting). Someone really needs to take that one on the national media circuit... or at least convince a speaker on the subject that "The Treehouse Comedy Club" is actually a lecture stage and pipe it live onto The Comedy Network.
Really? Zelotus anti-smoking groups? Has PETA taught us nothing?
The point really does go to Cameron though, as he shot down one group of idiots while placing attention on another.
I don't like smoking myself, but it's not like nobody does it. Not everything can have a one-hundred-percent positive moral message.
The point really does go to Cameron though, as he shot down one group of idiots while placing attention on another.
I don't like smoking myself, but it's not like nobody does it. Not everything can have a one-hundred-percent positive moral message.
Jark212 said:
Well if you want to be associated with them, go right ahead. Does that mean that all extremist groups are associates of the group they are representing?
Oh, and Godwin's Law.
While I agree with Mr. Cameron concerning his point about inconsistent morality, I have to ask the following question. Who the fuck are you to talk? Two of the characters in the movie try to move into their avatars! One succeeds, and it's portrayed as a very positive thing!
Oh, and I seem to recall seeing a lot of commercials trying to sell an Avatar videogame!
Oh, and I seem to recall seeing a lot of commercials trying to sell an Avatar videogame!
Hey, buddy, once you've gotton off the conclusion trampoline over there, you might want to note the fact that I just said he was pretty creative to come up with that excuse. Last time I checked, that was a compliment.oneplus999 said:
Come back when you want to do this thing properly.