Canada's parliament declares China's treatment of Uighurs 'genocide'

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Canada's House of Commons has voted overwhelmingly to declare China's treatment of its Uighur minority population a genocide.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and most members of his cabinet abstained.
China responded late on Tuesday, saying it condemned and rejected Canada's motion, according to a Reuters report. It quoted foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin as saying that China had lodged "stern representations" with Canada.
worth pointing out Biden seemingly presented the camps and other stuff as just a result of "Different cultural norms"

 

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I mean, yeah. It’s pretty comparable to the more typical uses of concentration camps and “reservations/native schools” that have existed and do exist. Those are pretty genocide.
 

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I mean, yeah. It’s pretty comparable to the more typical uses of concentration camps and “reservations/native schools” that have existed and do exist. Those are pretty genocide.
What does Canada's parliament have to say about those?
 

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What are the bets China passes a motion declaring the Canadian (/British) and US takeover of North America a genocide of the Native Americans?

(Or maybe it has already.)
 

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In before Xi and his cronies recommend that Canada cease the hostile attitude and consider that perhaps the west is in the wrong. Or that Canada shouldn't be allowed a voice in the debate because of previous (and not acknowledged enough) rights violations as regards to indigenous people.
 
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In before Xi and his cronies recommend that Canada cease the hostile attitude and consider that perhaps the west is in the wrong. Or that Canada shouldn't be allowed a voice in the debate because of previous (and not acknowledged enough) rights violations as regards to indigenous people.
You missed out the big one, which is where they say that Canada has no right whatsoever to interfere in, or even so much as comment on, anything that happens in China or that China does, except expressed in this unbearably pompous way dressed to sound like wise Confucian aphorism rather than the whiny protest of an insecure, human rights-abusing dictatorship.
 

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What does Canada's parliament have to say about those?
Depends. They still had Native re-education schools where they raped and tortured kids while destroying their cultures until the 90’s, so it’s probably a while out until they accurately condemn that sort of thing.
 
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What are the bets China passes a motion declaring the Canadian (/British) and US takeover of North America a genocide of the Native Americans?

(Or maybe it has already.)
That is the typical pivot for them, yes. Doubt it’s better than the “yes, but we’re not like that now, please ignore the ways we’re still like that and have never condemned those actions” that those states do. It’s just a bunch of empty systems of excuse making where the only differences are aesthetic. The Nation state is a poison no matter the particular words placed around it.
 

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I don't know whether I've got anything more to say than: Whenever someone says people need to assimilate to a country's culture, they are little Xi's without any power. And I don't want them to have Xi's power at all because I'd dare say they would copy them.

Nationalism and Patriotism is only good in moderation
 

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Funny enough I don't know a policy solution that would 100% be able to have China, and the ruling CCP stand down on this. I only know of a solution to get them to be contained and solve some of the sufferings.

Regime change with allies would lead to a Russia-like situation and lead to volatility around Asia in the aftermath. Also nukes.

Regime change without allies is suicidal and could lead to a nuclear conflict.

Sanctions could lead to a global Cold War, and even if we win the first applies, and if we lose, we lose our control of the shipping, and trade(western world).

Doing nothing could lead to China outgrowing the US, and installing 1984 in everyone's digital devices, and the second half of the above applies eventually.

Sanctions with allies and a willing coalition are the least bad option, but is hard, and would disrupt climate change problems.

A digital arms race would mean we win***, but China still is in control of China.

My personal one is where we dispute, and disrupt CCP media to overseas Chinese in hopes of them solves the problem(not me since I suck), but again if China votes in a nationalist who is also an imperialist, what is the point, now they have an even bigger economy, and we are screw.

I also feel like liberals are over-confident on China on both sides.
  1. Low Birth-rates are a policy outcome that can be solved via policy solutions, of which I know multiple of, so it's not assumed China will face demographic challenges as they have the money to overcome it
  2. Even if China gets just Taiwan they could threaten US shipping by breaking through into the Pacific
  3. The CCP military is not a paper tiger given its performance in the Korean, and Vietnam War, and the fact that they have modern weapons only dwarfed by the US
  4. They are behind the US in aircraft tech, yes, but the WS-15 engine has too much R&D money build behind it to not, not breakthrough
  5. Chinese Foreign policy is more than just smoke, and mirrors, it' should be assumed that they learned the lesson of the USSRs of which there are multiple
  6. Russia should fear China more than the US, but Putin is pissed we took his oppressive USSR away
  7. Most members of the HK protests have been arrested, but not killed*** to prevent another Che to happen
  8. Climate change won't destroy China as they have enough money to off-set it like moving farmers into apartment blocks
  9. The Chinese business community is the biggest threat to China, not the US, India, or Japan. (they are the only ones with the credibility, and power to threaten CCP rule)
  10. No one knows if there will be an Asian century or not until either China comes out on top or the century pasts
*** = More likely than unlikely.


My policy solutions for this however are.

Every refugee from China gets screened, but higher acceptance rates(brain drain)

More funding to R&D, and EVs/ Emerging technology(Space, AI, Energy, etc.)

More shipyards, and subsidized rare-earths in USD, and allies. (Including processing)

Higher immigration rates into the US overall( more people = bigger economy)

Lower the inequality in the US to give their press less to talk about when they are like Fox News talking about how President Harris or Biden or Cortez is too boorish, you have won.

More nuclear hotlines between China, Russia, and the US to avoid a miscalculation.

I don't know if we will win the Cold War together with all our Cold War allies, it should be our goal to build our economy as if we will be forced not to be reliant on free trade.
 

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I don't know whether I've got anything more to say than: Whenever someone says people need to assimilate to a country's culture, they are little Xi's without any power. And I don't want them to have Xi's power at all because I'd dare say they would copy them.

Nationalism and Patriotism is only good in moderation
Everything is good in moderation.
 
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Depends. They still had Native re-education schools where they raped and tortured kids while destroying their cultures until the 90’s, so it’s probably a while out until they accurately condemn that sort of thing.
Can't say I'm too impressed with their comments on China, then.
 

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What are the bets China passes a motion declaring the Canadian (/British) and US takeover of North America a genocide of the Native Americans?

(Or maybe it has already.)
I think most of the world acknowledges that, even if we can quibble on the semantics (e.g. in North America, 90% of Amerindian deaths are attritutable to disease).

Difference being that one genocide occurred in the past, and another is reportedly happening now. So if China does do that, it's borrowing from the Soviet playbook of whataboutism.
 
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I think most of the world acknowledges that, even if we can quibble on the semantics (e.g. in North America, 90% of Amerindian deaths are attritutable to disease).

Difference being that one genocide occurred in the past, and another is reportedly happening now. So if China does do that, it's borrowing from the Soviet playbook of whataboutism.
Come now, when has the PRC ever NOT used "whataboutism" when being called out on human rights abuses? It's basically their own playbook at this point.
 

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Come now, when has the PRC ever NOT used "whataboutism" when being called out on human rights abuses? It's basically their own playbook at this point.
yeh I mean they went after Australia not long ago using I think it was a UN commission thing or something
 

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yeh I mean they went after Australia not long ago using I think it was a UN commission thing or something
To be fair, the China can just claim they are enacting similar policies to Australia's Manus Island. While there is difference, it's like the difference between the definition of Interment and Concentration Camp. One is definitely better but both are bad
 
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I disagree
Patriotism is how something like Communionism would work. Without it, an opportunity would be dead on arrival. Edit: You need people to put aside their beliefs for a greater good in any ideology

You can see examples taken to the extreme with science and Capitalism today. People believe in those so irrationally, they can't see flaws. There is a big difference between actual Patriotism and the virtue signallers who think America is the best. Not many patriots in American show any actual Patriotism, they're just peacocking

...Or maybe another term will be made up that pretty much means Patriotic Communism. Because that's what Marxists are good at, make up new terminology
 

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Patriotism is how something like Communionism would work. Without it, an opportunity would be dead on arrival. Edit: You need people to put aside their beliefs for a greater good in any ideology

You can see examples taken to the extreme with science and Capitalism today. People believe in those so irrationally, they can't see flaws. There is a big difference between actual Patriotism and the virtue signallers who think America is the best. Not many patriots in American show any actual Patriotism, they're just peacocking

...Or maybe another term will be made up that pretty much means Patriotic Communism. Because that's what Marxists are good at, make up new terminology
No.