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I have little knowledge about this election aside from hating Trudeau and hating everyone to his right more, so I’ll not open this with much information but there should probably be a thread about it. Results are in and the Libs will have the most seats and should be able to form a government (no clue how the specifics of Canadian politics work here but I assume they’ll need to form a coalition with one of the other parties to their left). This is despite receiving less votes than the conservatives, though the outcome (liberal coalition government) would be the same with proportionate representation so it’s certainly not the worst version of this scenario. The People’s Party of Canada (far-right) got zero seats I think, which is good news, and appear to have played spoiler to the conservatives to an extent. I read NDP was the only party to really pick up seats but I might be wrong on that.
Edit: correction, there was basically no change in seats overall, which kinda makes this whole snap election seem incredibly pointless aside from the new pictures of Trudeau in black face.
 

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Edit: correction, there was basically no change in seats overall, which kinda makes this whole snap election seem incredibly pointless aside from the new pictures of Trudeau in black face.
If you going to call a snap election, you only do it when you can guarantee a result you want. He got exactly what he wanted out of this
 

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If you going to call a snap election, you only do it when you can guarantee a result you want. He got exactly what he wanted out of this
He got two seats and risked losing the ability to form a government. When you have fptp and know you’re likely to receive less votes in total you’re really rolling the dice if you gamble like this.
 

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Oh, noes.

By the way, this reminds me of Corbyn's "victory" over the conservatives. Just like Erin O'Toole gaining seats, but not getting the head of state position.

Neither of them is pleasant to deal with, and both relied on events outside of their control but weren't skillful enough to do it themselves.
 

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He got two seats and risked losing the ability to form a government. When you have fptp and know you’re likely to receive less votes in total you’re really rolling the dice if you gamble like this.
If they've done their maths right, they should know they can take the seats off the votes they have. Evidently they got their maths right enough, even if they fell short of what they hoped for.

It has an obvious advantage, in that there's a maximum length of time before a GE must be called. So he adds another two years onto his premiership, which is something.

650 million dollars down the drain, way to go Trudeau. :mad:
Don't get sucked into the PR trap of thinking about democracy in terms of the price tag to run the machinery of an election.

If it helps, you could think of it as a fiscal stimulus package: that's an extra CA$600+ million pumped into the economy.
 

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If they've done their maths right, they should know they can take the seats off the votes they have. Evidently they got their maths right enough, even if they fell short of what they hoped for.

It has an obvious advantage, in that there's a maximum length of time before a GE must be called. So he adds another two years onto his premiership, which is something.
It’s a gamble no matter what, and when you come this close to the gamble failing miserably you gotta admit it probably wasn’t worth it. Lucky this time, but run it a hundred times and maybe not.
 

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If they've done their maths right, they should know they can take the seats off the votes they have. Evidently they got their maths right enough, even if they fell short of what they hoped for.

It has an obvious advantage, in that there's a maximum length of time before a GE must be called. So he adds another two years onto his premiership, which is something.



Don't get sucked into the PR trap of thinking about democracy in terms of the price tag to run the machinery of an election.

If it helps, you could think of it as a fiscal stimulus package: that's an extra CA$600+ million pumped into the economy.
So that lobbyists and political consultants or the media can make bank on regular Americans, and apparently Canadians.
 

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650 million dollars down the drain, way to go Trudeau. :mad:
Is that in Canada Monopoly Money or Americaland Funbucks?

Either way, this is about what I expected, except I thought Justin would lose one or two seats.
Guess I've not got my finger on the pulse of Canadian politics.
 

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If they've done their maths right, they should know they can take the seats off the votes they have. Evidently they got their maths right enough, even if they fell short of what they hoped for.

It has an obvious advantage, in that there's a maximum length of time before a GE must be called. So he adds another two years onto his premiership, which is something.



Don't get sucked into the PR trap of thinking about democracy in terms of the price tag to run the machinery of an election.

If it helps, you could think of it as a fiscal stimulus package: that's an extra CA$600+ million pumped into the economy.
What did these elections do? Nothing. Apart from wasting $650 million, politicizing the vaccination campaign and further dividing the country.

The numbers are pretty much the same. All that has changed are some faces, Including trudeau that's smiling a lot less...
 

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What did these elections do? Nothing. Apart from wasting $650 million, politicizing the vaccination campaign and further dividing the country.
The result of the elections is not necessarily the point: Israel has had about four in the last three years with barely any shift in seats (although the last finally removed Netanyahu as enough other parties allied against him). You have a democratic system, and this is how it works. You could install a fixed term system, but they have their own drawbacks.
 

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I'd be interested in seeing why you believe this.
Probably the same reason most western democracies aren't. The idea that the system works as one person, one vote and everyone's vote is equal isn't true in at least Ireland and the US.
Although I don't know the particulars of the Canadian system.
 

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Probably the same reason most western democracies aren't. The idea that the system works as one person, one vote and everyone's vote is equal isn't true in at least Ireland and the US.
Although I don't know the particulars of the Canadian system.
It is not a pure democracy by any means. But fundamentally, no-one's getting elected without the support of a very substantial number of the population.
 
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I'd be interested in seeing why you believe this.
It fails in two respects. It has single member electoral districts and a media landscape dominated by the wealthy. The latter makes any so-called 'democracy' a managed democracy at best, the former highly distorts the number of legislative seats each party gets compared to their vote shares and elevates so-called "tactical" voting. The idea that the people rule in such a scenario is absurd.
 

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Sweet snowy summer children. Clearly none of you have been made aware of the real ruler of Canada...


The woman whom thousands of Canadians believe is their secret ruler isn’t afraid to tell her followers she’s calling for the executions of health care workers and politicians behind the vaccination rollout.

“At the firing squad, the military firing squad, you will receive not one, but two bullets on your forehead for each child that you have harmed as a result of injecting this experimental vaccine,” said Romana Didulo to those involved in vaccination efforts in a recent video on Telegram. “So when you go home tonight, think about how many bullets.”

Didulo, a B.C.-based woman in her 50s, has recently built up a following of thousands of people who listen to her claims of having been put in control of the Great White North by the same forces that QAnon believers think are fighting the deep state in America. QAnon, for the uninitiated, is a wide-ranging, wildly unfactual conspiracy centred upon Donald Trump’s secret fight against an international cabal of elitist pedophiles. Didulo was recently thrust into her position by several well-known QAnon figures who helped anoint her as a leader and in turns sent a swarm of followers her way.

But despite her following being only weeks old, Didulo has rallied her Canadian followers to real-life action. They’re in the midst of filing hundreds of “cease and desist” notices demanding businesses, governments, and police forces stop all activities related to combating the pandemic. They have organized themselves into localized groups to email their demands out en masse, send them via registered letter, or simply make their way to stores or police stations in order to physically hand them out.

One particularly riled-up group of conspiracy theorists in Cochrane, Alberta, went to over 30 businesses last week to hand out the notices. On June 10 they decided to go to a K-8 school—while children were present—and hand the notices and anti-vax flyers out. They eventually were kicked out and Cochrane RCMP confirmed to VICE World News that two people received trespassing tickets for their actions. The group complained about its mistreatment by police inside its Telegram chat and mulled over “bombarding” the school’s principal with letters.

Didulo has said that if the people who received the cease and desist orders from her followers break them, they will be executed.

“Peace, prosperity, or perish,” is one of her slogans, after all.

The Queen

It’s not Didulo who is necessarily important, but her growing and active audience.

QAnon, which may, according to a recent poll, have as many as 30 million followers in the U.S. as well as more outside of it, has contributed to real-world violence, including the Capitol Hill uprising. Only a few short years ago, Didulo could have been simply ignored as someone with a grift or a tenuous grip of reality posting videos, but now, thanks to the new QAnon ecosystem, she’s a figure of consequence. In this modern environment, someone claiming to be the secret ruler of Canada and to be holding military tribunals and executions can rapidly gain thousands of followers, some willing to follow her off the deepest creases of the internet and into the real world.

To know the volatility of her followers, however, you must first know who they’re following. Didulo is the “leader” of an online political party called the Canada1st Party of Canada—which does not appear to have been officially registered anywhere but has been turned into a corporation by Didulo. She began posting about the party and making videos about her policy in late 2020, during the second wave of the pandemic. However, the party never took off, and she languished in obscurity for some time.

That all changed in May when she changed tactics and switched her rhetoric to fit several popular QAnon narratives. After getting noticed by a couple of well-known QAnon figures, her profile has been growing rapidly.

She now has almost 20,000 followers on Telegram, her primary channel, and a growing and engaged audience. The audience consists of an intersection of QAnon believers, anti-lockdown zealots, and “sovereign citizens” (people who think government laws do not apply to them, especially ones related to taxes). And her audience is not a passive one.

“Hello, Canada, I’m Ramona Didulo, I'm the founder and leader of Canada1st. As of February this year, 2021, I am the head of state and commander in chief of Canada, the Republic,” she said in her announcement video. “The people who appointed me are the white hats and the U.S. military, together with the global allied troops and their governments—the same group of people who have helped President Trump.”

She speaks to her audience either through Telegram posts or via poorly produced videos in which she sits on a couch in front of an empty beige wall. In a follow-up video to her initial decree, Didulo declares herself not only the “the head of state,” “commander in chief,” and “head of government,” but also the “Queen of Canada, replacing Queen Elizabeth II of England who has now been executed for crimes against humanity.”

Many of Didulo’s followers seem to believe she’s holding tribunals behind the scenes, which are resulting in the executions they’re thirsting for. These followers use extremely tenuous scraps of evidence to prove Didulo is actually in power—including the fact that Romana Didulo is an anagram for “I Am Our Donald.”

The violent rhetoric she spouts in her posts and videos seems to be one of the main things driving her popularity. “Let’s keep this simple,” Didulo wrote recently, “death is the penalty for crimes against humanity.” This was met with much jubilation from hundreds of followers: “YASSS!!! 🙏,” wrote one; “I’m so happy we have you.😘❤,” wrote another; “she is the only one that is saying anything hopeful or anything that makes sense…. It felt completely hopeless before Romana came along,” wrote a third.

“As much as I hate to see people being put to death, it has become necessary because the jerks just won't stop what they are doing,” wrote yet another.

Pete Smith, a journalist with the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, has been researching Didulo and her rapid rise. Smith said Didulo immigrated to Canada from the Philippines at a young age (something Didulo claims on her own website as well) and that prior to Didulo starting Canada1st in late 2020, she started and quickly shut down several companies and ventures—which weren’t conspiracy-oriented—and that nothing she’s attempted has really taken off before now. Even her initial posts declaring Canada’s new secret rulers were met with relatively little fanfare until she was signalled out by QAnon figures such as Charlie Ward and Whiplash347, who legitimized her to their audiences.

"It’s their endorsement that seems to have been the cause of all of this,” said Smith. “Without them, I don’t believe that there is a Canada1st party like we’re seeing right now."

Drew, an anti-fascist researcher who follows the anti-lockdown group closely (and didn’t want to be named because of fear of reprisal), said he came across Didulo in early 2021 but that she “was a nobody” until she got big-upped by Q-influencers.
Marc-André Argentino, a research fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalization and Political Violence who has written several papers on the QAnon movement, told VICE World News influencers in the QAnon ecosystem “have shown an uncanny capacity to raise unknown individuals to positions of influence in a very short period of time.

“In the absence of ‘Q,’ influencers in QAnon ecosystems have taken on the mantel of determining what is canon (or authoritative) in these spaces,” said Argentino. “Though they may not always agree, they are able to bestow authority on random individuals. This makes for a volatile ecosystem, which expands radicalization pipelines in unpredictable ways.”

In a video speaking about her, one popular QAnon theorist who gets thousands of views on off-brand sites like Rumble and Bitchute states unequivocally she’s a “temporary holding until they get Trump in.” Others have “confirmed” her by sharing her videos or outright saying she’s legitimate, as she fits into their conspiracy.

“She is sending out all these cease and desist orders to stop these mass mask mandate and vaccine mandate crimes and she’s making it very clear that if you violate the crimes you’ll be executed,” said one popular online QAnon influencer in a video on Didulo that received over 30,000 views. “God bless her; Canada needs somebody like that.”

A follower of Didulo told VICE World News that seeing Didulo being spoken about by these figures confirmed to her she was legit and “not a bullshitter.” The woman, who is active in helping hand out cease and desist notices in Alberta, said she’s attempting to talk to Didulo to confirm some of her claims, but was not able to contact her. Numerous attempts by VICE World News to contact Didulo and people whom she previously worked with before declaring herself Queen went unanswered.

“Everywhere I look and the people that I listen to and even people down the States and the UK say she’s here to sidetrack the cabal,” the follower told VICE over the phone. “She’s a true and sincere person; that’s without a doubt.”

Smith said that, as far as he can tell, she is relatively “unique” as a figure leading another country in the conspiracy ecosystem at the moment. Didulo didn’t shrink before the demands put on her by the quick growth of her audience, and posts frequently under the guise that she’s leading Canada. She decreed that Victoria is the new capital of Canada and recently released a video addressing the Indigenous community after the bodies of 215 children were found in a mass grave outside a residential school. She promised to investigate if they were killed for adrenochrome harvesting. (A central tenet of the QAnon conspiracy revolves around the false idea that elites torture and kill children to extract adrenochrome—a substance that can be bought cheaply at chemical supply stores—to maintain their own youth and vitality.)

Didulo’s rapid rise has seen her receive a bit of pushback. Other conspiracy theorists have made videos and blogs claiming she's a government “psyop” to ruin the true QAnon movement, or that she’s in fact mentally ill. Didulo has responded to her critics by saying everyone who commits fraud about her—or says she’s endorsed companies or products—will be executed.

The Queen’s Court

Asizable portion of Didulo’s followers are not passive, and are in the midst of a rather large effort to hand out cease and desists across the country. Didulo instructed her followers to send notices to schools, retirement homes, police stations, grocery stores, hospitals, places of worship, hotels, banks, and so on. Her subjects are loyal and listen to their queen.

"The speed with which her audience has grown and then how quickly they have become active on the street in real life is extremely significant,” said Smith.

The cease and desist comes in the form of a PDF they’re sharing. It says it serves as the recipient’s “lawful notice to cease and desist” all vaccinations, PCR testing, masking, lockdowns, and quarantines, and border closures. It contains two “special notes” at the bottom. The first says that Joe Biden is not actually president and the U.S. military is in charge south of the border; the other says the Canadian Armed Forces have been notified (by email) that Didulo is now in charge.

In order to facilitate the cease and desist effort, Didulo’s followers have splintered off into localized chat groups to organize and “serve” as many notices as they can. While there have been groups created for each continent and other countries like South Africa and Australia, the effort is mainly localized to Canada. Each province has its own Telegram group with hundreds of members, and while not every member is active, many of them are.

VICE World News viewed the groups for Alberta, Ontario, British Columbia, and Manitoba. Each was extremely active, with users posting address after address of where they have sent the letters or are planning to send them. Some have even created spreadsheets that break the province down by town and business, lists when the cease and desist was filed and by whom, and, in some cases, the name of the person who received it. Others posted videos of them going from store to store handing out the notices.

Many of the people who are actively organizing cease and desist efforts and celebrating imaginary executions do so under their real names. The members run the gamut from electricians to real estate agents to outdoor adventure guides to, of course, people who run holistic health clinics. Many of them are elderly. VICE World News reached out to several people involved in these efforts, as well as online supporters of Didulo, to see just how much of her rhetoric they believed, but most did not respond.

One woman, who handed out cease and desist notices in British Columbia, said she’s not sure if Didulo is legitimate but she’s “praying it’s true.”

“I know she’s sure brought people tons of courage to send out cease and desist letters,” she said. “Doesn’t do any harm.”
While the group is active at the moment, its activities seem constrained to handing out cease and desists. But even this fairly innocuous activity doesn’t always go well.

“Served Dairy Queen (a) Cease and Desist,” wrote one woman. “Very rude. Patrons were laughing at us. Two employees walked out and videotaped us. One said we can’t go there anymore. Felt good though."
 
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Sweet snowy summer children. Clearly none of you have been made aware of the real ruler of Canada...

"“At the firing squad, the military firing squad, you will receive not one, but two bullets on your forehead for each child that you have harmed as a result of injecting this experimental vaccine,” said Romana Didulo to those involved in vaccination efforts in a recent video on Telegram. “So when you go home tonight, think about how many bullets.” "

Jesus Christ, this is just a step below "I'm a Navy SEAL and I will destroy you with precision like you have never seen" in the world of inane death threats.

"...the other says the Canadian Armed Forces have been notified (by email) that Didulo is now in charge."

Email. Email. I get the feeling that a lot of these morons believe everything that comes to them through Email.
 

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"“At the firing squad, the military firing squad, you will receive not one, but two bullets on your forehead for each child that you have harmed as a result of injecting this experimental vaccine,” said Romana Didulo to those involved in vaccination efforts in a recent video on Telegram. “So when you go home tonight, think about how many bullets.” "

Jesus Christ, this is just a step below "I'm a Navy SEAL and I will destroy you with precision like you have never seen" in the world of inane death threats.

"...the other says the Canadian Armed Forces have been notified (by email) that Didulo is now in charge."

Email. Email. I get the feeling that a lot of these morons believe everything that comes to them through Email.
This one is particularly a strange contrast because it mixes the insane bloodlust of angry qanon believers with the polite and quiet sensibilities of Canadians to produce a unique mess of contradictions. Like, they're just going around calmly talking about their queen as they hand out their cease and desists to anywhere with mask mandates, instead of guns and aggressive shouting. Except those cease and desists in their mind are pretty much building a kill list for those who dare continue with masks, and their leader only has one punishment...death! You're either innocent, or you're dead. But only if you could spare a minute or two to receive these cease and desists thankyou please.
 
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This is one of those few times I'm sad Zontar isn't here, because I seem to remember him insisting there was no way in hell Trudeau was going to win, and that the Conservative Party was going to stomp him.
 
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