Capcom: New Consoles Coming in Two Years Time
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Stupid YouTube country blocks, I almost wasn't able to watch that video. -_- Thankfully, free proxy servers exist.Marik2 said:
Anyway, I think the current economic climate just isn't suitable for releasing new consoles. While handhelds can get away with continued development unabated thanks to their less steep price, consoles are a preety heavy investment for anyone to do. Plus, as others have mentioned, Sony has barely started to make a profit off of PlayStation III and there currently really is no need for new hardware.
Overall, new consoles will not appear for some time to come and it is probably for the best. And besides, it might also benefit the PC gaming market if the graphics development was slowed down a bit. While the PC has always been the most graphically-capable platform, this was also a handicap due to most people being uncapable or unwilling to deal with upgrading. A slow down in graphics development might actually allow modern gaming-capable PCs to lower in price and reach a wider audience.
I will send you a PM, since I am not sure I am allowed to talk about stuff like this on the forums.Marik2 said:
It's all good, NVIDIA and ATI keep developing new graphics hardware, so by the time the new console generation comes out, it will have 16x (2012) or 32x (2014) the processing power of current gen hardware, so the longer we wait, the more powerful new consoles we will get. (This is based on GPU power doubling every 1,5 years)
THIS ^Elesar said:
I'm a little sick of the Escapist posting stories along the lines of "this guy thinks this" as news.
Sure, it is sometimes appropriate to do so, but we get like TWO a day from random ass people who have no evidence to back up their claim. One a week or so from someone important who has some facts to back up his opinion would be nice...
Oh, come on! We do not need another generation of systems right now. The current systems have barely been exploited to their fullest potential. Slow down, and let the gaming public catch up...along with the developers.
I seriously doubt that a new console from Sony or Microsoft will come out that soon. Nintendo maybe. They've been loosing steam as a console for a while now and their gimmic is getting one-upd in a big way. As far as the other two are concerned, I don't think there isn't anything new technologically that the current system can't do. There would have to be some major strides in the next two years for Sony to really do something new when they just started getting momentum. That's my thoughts anyway.
Yes it does. Over a 1 in 3 failure rate. Multi disc games. Lockups due to being on too long to run a game that doesn't have that problem on ps3 (Bioshock 2, GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, Oblivion, Fallout 3). The 360 is already operating at it's maximum capacity. PS3 isn't. They need a new console. In the next year or two the games on 360 will perform and look exactly as they do now while ps3 keeps looking and performing better. From a business stand, it makes sense to phase out the 360 and release a new xbox.Shepard said:
Yep still no. Failure rate has dropped significantly, multi disc games isn't really an issue, didn't even know about the lockup problem, it must not be that common. No it isn't operating at maximum capacity. Take a look at a gameplay video of Rage. So... your like a fortune teller then? It doesn't make sense from a businss standpoint at all. Microsoft just released a new version of the 360 and Kinect hasn't even hit shelves yet. Both Move and Kinect were made for two reasons. One, to cash in on the "casual" market. And two, its a way for both Sony and Microsoft to extend the life cycle, so to speak, of their current consoles.jthm said:
Hmm... I smells an inaccuracy here. While I can see how it's getting time for a new console. About 4-5 years is more likely, not 2-3 years.
Failure rate is still too high, 1/3 at last guess and the system has a reputation for it, which hurts sales. Multi disc games are indicative of a system being pushed to maximum capacity. It is cheaper to release single disc games, the only reasons they don't is because a games info is either too large to encode to a single DVD9 or the game itself runs at consistently high specs, better than what the system is capable of doing 100% of the time, so it gets broken into two parts (Mass Effect 2, by way of example).Shepard said:
The fact that you weren't aware of a problem does not bespeak it's scarcity, merely your ignorance of said problem. That isn't an insult by the way, just a statement of fact that you were ignorant of a problem often brought up on software specific forums. If it has never happened to you, you would have had no reason to look. Still, I thought I'd help you understand why your logic is flawed. I also took the liberty of correcting your punctuation and spelling with parentheses.
Another point I'd like to make, regarding Microsoft's release of a new model 360 is that yes, they did just release a new slim line model and Kinect is due out this year. If you look back, the slim ps2 was released September (October in the U.S.) '04. The Playstation 3 was released November '06. About a two year difference. If you stop arguing with me for a second and go read the article, it suggests that 2012 will see new consoles being released. So it isn't unprecedented to re release a system and two years later release it's predecessor. By the way, Microsoft's sales strategy for the 360 has been essentially the same one Sony used for the life of the ps2 thus far. Further, just as an educated opinion, I suspect that neither Sony nor Microsoft expect their move technology to do very well (market wise) in its first generation and are counting on hype to sell units. That also fits with a theory of new consoles in the works for 2012.
Yes, Sony and Microsoft did release the Move and Kinect respectively to prolong the life of their consoles. The article mentions that and calls it a stop gap measure. Yes, Microsoft and Sony are trying to cut into the casual gamer market, because Nintendo has proven how lucrative it is. None of that means they won't still release new consoles around 2012. All it indicates is that their next consoles will have features like Move and Kinect already built in so as to appeal to the casual market right out of the box.
No, I'm not a fortune teller. I'm an industry analyst and gamer. Now quit arguing with me and go play a game.
Multi disk games are a sign the disc can't hold any more, not that the game pushed the console to its performance limits.jthm said:
Yeah, its still not a well-known/common problem. The PS3 has the yellow light of death. It's less common but that doesn't mean its not a problem too.
Releasing Kinect and Move are not the same as releasing the the slim PS2. Mainly because of the number of different games that could be made for each. Why should Microsoft and Sony not expect good sales? The Wii came out and it's sales were fantastic.
Wow! Now that sounded arrogant. The fact that you also assume I didn't read the article is astonishing.jthm said:
PS3 failure rate is much lower than 360 and they system has a reputation for reliability (rightly or wrongly, it still has that reputation).Shepard said:
No, but releasing the redesigned 360 is the same as the slim ps2 release. As stated, Kinect and Move are stop gap measures intended to sell more core gamer systems and peripherals to a casual audience that isn't aware of the differences between systems and which ones suit their needs. The Wii's sales were fantastic because it appealed to a hitherto untapped market of popgame players and non-gamers who bought it for their kids as a result of the price difference.
That isn't to say the hardcore audience didn't buy it too, but many bought it based on Nintendo's name and history and haven't seen much for it designed to appeal to them. Microsoft and Sony are hoping for that same reaction from the hardcore audience. They are also hoping for associations between the Wii and themselves from the casual gamer crowd. Yes, they would love it if their peripherals sold well, but these are both large companies with preparations in place for when the sales trail off. If you want my prediction, Move and Kinect will see a reasonably successful launch, with sales trickling off gradually at first and then more steeply as the months pass.
They won't breathe a word about new consoles because that would hurt the sales of their motion gaming peripherals in it's most lucrative months. 2012 is, however, a good time to assume that word will have spread amongst hardcore crowd that they aren't the focus of these peripherals and Sony and Microsoft will announce new systems (probably at the '12 E3 or TGS), probably with the promise to merge casual and hardcore into one "do-it-all" system.
I assumed you didn't read the article carefully or that you didn't realize that by 2012 the Kinect and Move will be old news and this market lives on hype. Two year old peripherals won't have that hype that they are getting now. The biggest thing about them then will be the inevitable price reduction which both manufacturers have already conveniently built into the inflated cost.
If it sounded arrogant to you, it's because I'm right and I'm confident that you aren't. Sorry if that stings, but truth does that. Swallow your pride, admit you bit off more than you can chew and move on. You really would be better served not arguing with me and playing a game. Why? Arguing with me is pointless, you won't win and even if you could, what would be proved? Internet anonymity (pseudo anonymity anyway) assures that you'd have no way of holding me accountable if you made some crushing and inescapable point against me (you won't, but for the sake of argument). I just think you'd have more fun doing something that you enjoy and might win.
Less common is not the same as non existent.jthm said:
True, but if Microsoft and Sony can attract the "hardcore gamers" to their motion controls and make good "hardcore" games their is no reason they wouldn't experience similar success; if not better.
This bit confused me. Are you talking about the games they make or their reputation?jthm said:
Unless the hardcore games they make are good. It sounds like you believe they are both going to fail. Which is foolish. The big three are completely different companies, with different ideals. For you to just dismiss both Move and Kinect is absurd. You don't have the necessary data to accurately predict how well they will do. Your "assumptions" are just wild speculation, based on nothing.
Well, I'm confident I'm right. This isn't an argument. You were the one who believed it was. This is a discussion based on opinions. No one is right and no one is wrong. Oh, and it sounded arrogant because you came off as saying: "I am right and you are wrong. I get paid to