Capcom: New Consoles Coming in Two Years Time

[jthm]

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Less common is not the same as non existent.

True, but if Microsoft and Sony can attract the "hardcore gamers" to their motion controls and make good "hardcore" games their is no reason they wouldn't experience similar success; if not better.

many bought it based on Nintendo's name and history

This bit confused me. Are you talking about the games they make or their reputation?

Unless the hardcore games they make are good. It sounds like you believe they are both going to fail. Which is foolish. The big three are completely different companies, with different ideals. For you to just dismiss both Move and Kinect is absurd. You don't have the necessary data to accurately predict how well they will do. Your "assumptions" are just wild speculation, based on nothing.

Well, I'm confident I'm right. This isn't an argument. You were the one who believed it was. This is a discussion based on opinions. No one is right and no one is wrong. Oh, and it sounded arrogant because you came off as saying: "I am right and you are wrong. I get paid to analyze stuff and make guesses based on nothing predict market trends and predict the future of the market."

My god man, really? This is the last time I'm responding to you. This site is one of many stops for me before bed, both because I enjoy gaming and have to keep tabs on news and trends in the industry. What are you getting out of this besides being told that you're wrong and then making a counter argument from an incomplete knowledge of the facts?

Even if every "hardcore gamer" bought both a Move and Kinect and any system they didn't already own to use them, Microsoft and Sony would not see success on the same scale as Nintendo did because the "casual gamer" market is MUCH larger and was almost completely untapped before the Wii (guitar hero and rockband possibly counting as an exception to that). The majority of the casual market aren't going to shell out $300 dollars for a system and then another $100 to $200 for peripherals that do what a layman to gaming might describe as the same thing as the Wii they already own. Particularly not during a global recession.

I don't expect them to fail, I expect them to not live up to their hype and probably break even. Best case scenario, Microsoft and Sony will see a marginal profit in the first year and a half after launch and then drop the price after that to sell more units. That is dependent upon good software. A "killer app" that utilizes motion controls for either system will boost sales. Either way though, back to the original point, E3 2012 is the most likely point for microsoft to unveil a new system, and Sony will not be far behind. Distinct companies they may be, but like all companies they have the same goal and ideal, to maximize profit. Market thinking is fairly predictable, if you see your competitor raking in a huge profit, do what he's doing, only try to do it better.

I don't know I can explain this any simpler for you. Not trying to be insulting with this, but you just don't seem to get it. Basic video game console manufacturer strategy is as follows (warning, oversimplified).
1. Release console and hype game lineup for it, focus hype on how console is superior to previous generation of hardware. (wii, 360, ps3)
2. Sell basic consoles and rake in profit from game sales, use unit and retail upts (units per transaction) sales numbers to entice investors.
3. Release peripheral just as sales begin to flag. (sensor plus, Kinect, Move, expanded hard drive, etc.)
4. Rake in profit from peripheral sales and hyped peripheral exclusive lineup. Peripherals boost upts, keeping investor confidence up.
5. As sales begin to flag, hype up new console and game lineup. Generate retailer preorders. Use numbers to boost investor confidence.
6. Repeat from step 1.

As to Nintendo, I was talking about their reputation. Nintendo was still the first gaming console manufacturer to become a household name (unless you grew up raised by early adopters and had an Atari 2600... Oh, Qbert). That's a powerful selling point in their favor and they do trade on it.

Just because you don't know what it is, doesn't mean it's nothing. Sales and trends, figures and statistics, public opinion and forum posting all enter into this line of work, just for starters. The biggest part of it though is just recognizing patterns and trends. If I wasn't right more often than I'm wrong, I wouldn't keep drawing a paycheck. The fact that I do should tell you something.

Discussion based on opinion in which one or more parties asserts that the other party is wrong is an argument. I pointed out where you were incorrect and/or not in full possession of the facts, you defended your position and attempted to point out where you thought I was wrong. That is the very definition of argument. Follow this link to see why I'm not going to continue it with you.

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[Shepard's Shadow]

Needless repeating of the same stuff.

And yet you continued for this long, claiming you know what's going to happen when nothing like Kinetc or Move has been released before.

My god man, really?

That would be woman, not man.

 

[jthm]

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You keep talking, yet have less and less to say. Claim I'm wrong, yet can't backup your own views. I wonder how I missed guessing at your gender for this long?

 

[Shepard's Shadow]

You keep talking, yet have less and less to say. Claim I'm wrong, yet can't backup your own views. I wonder how I missed guessing at your gender for this long?

I prefer to keep my posts short and to the point.

I take no offense; it's a common misconception that people think that everyone on the internet is male.

You can pretty up what you do all you want, but your just guessing and predicting how things will happen. The only thing I don't like about your posts, is that you believe you are right. As if there is no chance your wrong, that it's going to unfold exactly as you say it will and there is no chance that things will happen any differently.

 

[FaithorFire]

I sincerely hope he's wrong. There are loads of untapped power still left in both the 360 and PS3. New consoles so soon will only drive game prices high and put unneeded pressure on an already fragile game development market. This gamer demand for new consoles every 6 years is driving the creative bankruptcy in games.

I hope the current generation systems live long, and prosper

 

[FaithorFire]

I sincerely hope he's wrong. There are loads of untapped power still left in both the 360 and PS3. New consoles so soon will only drive game prices high and put unneeded pressure on an already fragile game development market. This gamer demand for new consoles every 6 years is driving the creative bankruptcy in games.

I hope the current generation systems live long, and prosper

 

[jthm]

You keep talking, yet have less and less to say. Claim I'm wrong, yet can't backup your own views. I wonder how I missed guessing at your gender for this long?

I prefer to keep my posts short and to the point.

I take no offense; it's a common misconception that people think that everyone on the internet is male.

You can pretty up what you do all you want, but your just guessing and predicting how things will happen. The only thing I don't like about your posts, is that you believe you are right. As if there is no chance your wrong, that it's going to unfold exactly as you say it will and there is no chance that things will happen any differently.

You're. It's a contraction for you are. Your is possessive. As in, I think your opinion is wrong. I now know that you're a female. There's a difference.

What you dislike is my tone. In the business we call that confidence. If I didn't have the confidence to stand by my assertions, what good would they be?

 

[awsome117]

I hope they come out with a Wii 2, or something like that so another Super Smash Bros can be made. I would honestly buy a new console just for it.

 

[Miumaru]

Id rather talk about new consoles when the economy is better.

 

[RedBeta22]

I really hope this isn't true. I just got a PS3! Ive had a 360 since launch and i cant imagine replacing it.

 

[Shepard's Shadow]

You keep talking, yet have less and less to say. Claim I'm wrong, yet can't backup your own views. I wonder how I missed guessing at your gender for this long?

I prefer to keep my posts short and to the point.

I take no offense; it's a common misconception that people think that everyone on the internet is male.

You can pretty up what you do all you want, but your just guessing and predicting how things will happen. The only thing I don't like about your posts, is that you believe you are right. As if there is no chance your wrong, that it's going to unfold exactly as you say it will and there is no chance that things will happen any differently.

You're. It's a contraction for you are. Your is possessive. As in, I think your opinion is wrong. I now know that you're a female. There's a difference.

What you dislike is my tone. In the business we call that confidence. If I didn't have the confidence to stand by my assertions, what good would they be?

They would be as good as wrong.

This is the last time I'm responding to you.

You certainly didn't stand by that very long.

 

[jthm]

You keep talking, yet have less and less to say. Claim I'm wrong, yet can't backup your own views. I wonder how I missed guessing at your gender for this long?

I prefer to keep my posts short and to the point.

I take no offense; it's a common misconception that people think that everyone on the internet is male.

You can pretty up what you do all you want, but your just guessing and predicting how things will happen. The only thing I don't like about your posts, is that you believe you are right. As if there is no chance your wrong, that it's going to unfold exactly as you say it will and there is no chance that things will happen any differently.

You're. It's a contraction for you are. Your is possessive. As in, I think your opinion is wrong. I now know that you're a female. There's a difference.

What you dislike is my tone. In the business we call that confidence. If I didn't have the confidence to stand by my assertions, what good would they be?

They would be as good as wrong.

This is the last time I'm responding to you.

You certainly didn't stand by that very long.

Nope, sure didn't. When new opportunity for being critical of people who deserve it presents itself, I just can't say no. But then it's not a professional opinion I'm expressing about arguing with you is it? Without the confidence to make a prediction, based on fact, history and analysis of numbers, patterns and trends, no one could be reasonably expected to risk money on my recommendations. Major investors do take risks based on my opinions though. Because I'm very often right and I make them a considerable deal of profit investing in game companies and designers.

 

[Shepard's Shadow]

blah, blah

Still isn't an argument. Your not even on topic anymore. Unlike you I stick with what I say. I'm done wasting my time talking to someone as delusional as you.

 

[C117]

If they HAVE to release another generation of consoles, please let it be the last one. Because what matters isn't the console itself, it's the games that are released for the console.

 

[SillyNilly]

Heres why that would be stupid.

Man, I love G4. I used to watch X-Play all the time, and I mean it, EVERY DAY. Just seeing this warms my heart.

But that's beside what I'm trying to get to. As heartwarming as hearing Adam Sessler's voice again, the video hits the nail on the damn head, especially with number one where developers have to start over at getting used to the hardware, which in turn is like hitting an even more precise and dense nail into the head of the nail already hammered in. If that's possible.

What is worse than a bad game is many bad games, and if that's due to not allowing developers to have time to fully settle into the hardware, then that is a bad fault on the part of the console makers. What this article states and what Capcoms's David Reese states that console life will last little more than three years is quite opposite of how I believe it to be. I predict new consoles to be released double the stated time-frame of 2-3 years in 6 years time, and I also predict by 3 years time, console makers will get an idea of where the next step in console making lies.

Why move on when this generation of gaming is only just getting good? Sure, the console makers started off on a bad/OK foot in this generation, but now everything is coming together.

 

[SillyNilly]

Spoiler alert: He's talking out of his ass. Even if he's right, he has no basis for that statement.

THIS ^

I'm a little sick of the Escapist posting stories along the lines of "this guy thinks this" as news.

Sure, it is sometimes appropriate to do so, but we get like TWO a day from random ass people who have no evidence to back up their claim. One a week or so from someone important who has some facts to back up his opinion would be nice...

I would like that too, but then again I've just realized something crucial. This is important, so pay attention.

The analysts in an industry are graded by how accurate their predictions are. (This generally should apply to any industry.) What an analyst would do is provide his or her intellect and/or wisdom on the matter at hand. (You don't have to be a professional to do this. You, fellow commenter are an analyst because you analyzed the analysis of an analyst.) See where I'm going with this? Although my point may be 'everyone is entitled to their opinion', think beyond that. What makes one analysts A.K.A. 'opinion thinker' better than another is how accurate his or her opinions and view-points are.

I must say I agree and disagree with the notion of accurate fact based opinions once a week. The idea is solid and it takes off unneeded energy from our part and the Escapist editorial staff's. After all, it's only once a week. But, what about the people involved in the industry?
What makes up an industry after all, but more and more analysts vying for attention through accurate predictions, is a good thing, something I am grateful for. From a journalist's perspective, it is important to take note of the people involved because you never know who may be right. As journalistic as the Escapist is, it would be a disservice to the talents of the staff.

I conclude by saying the opinions may appear to not matter, but they always matter in determining who is more right than another. Even if it appears to be bullshit amidst a sea of bullshit, when that bullshit becomes reality, it is the honest truth. And you know it when you see it. As with most analysts, the legends would have it the easiest because many trust his or her opinion. But it wasn't always that way. You start from square one, after all..

As for this guy David Reeves, please don't disregard his opinion as it's just a prediction. He may seem like a waste of time, but.. What if he's right?!.. Then again, what if he's wrong? I'm going to leave that for you to think about.

 

[jthm]

blah, blah

Still isn't an argument. Your not even on topic anymore. Unlike you I stick with what I say. I'm done wasting my time talking to someone as delusional as you.

Thank God.

also,
You still aren't using the word "your" and "you're" correctly.

 

[Danpascooch]

Spoiler alert: He's talking out of his ass. Even if he's right, he has no basis for that statement.

THIS ^

I'm a little sick of the Escapist posting stories along the lines of "this guy thinks this" as news.

Sure, it is sometimes appropriate to do so, but we get like TWO a day from random ass people who have no evidence to back up their claim. One a week or so from someone important who has some facts to back up his opinion would be nice...

I would like that too, but then again I've just realized something crucial. This is important, so pay attention.

The analysts in an industry are graded by how accurate their predictions are. (This generally should apply to any industry.) What an analyst would do is provide his or her intellect and/or wisdom on the matter at hand. (You don't have to be a professional to do this. You, fellow commenter are an analyst because you analyzed the analysis of an analyst.) See where I'm going with this? Although my point may be 'everyone is entitled to their opinion', think beyond that. What makes one analysts A.K.A. 'opinion thinker' better than another is how accurate his or her opinions and view-points are.

I must say I agree and disagree with the notion of accurate fact based opinions once a week. The idea is solid and it takes off unneeded energy from our part and the Escapist editorial staff's. After all, it's only once a week. But, what about the people involved in the industry?
What makes up an industry after all, but more and more analysts vying for attention through accurate predictions, is a good thing, something I am grateful for. From a journalist's perspective, it is important to take note of the people involved because you never know who may be right. As journalistic as the Escapist is, it would be a disservice to the talents of the staff.

I conclude by saying the opinions may appear to not matter, but they always matter in determining who is more right than another. Even if it appears to be bullshit amidst a sea of bullshit, when that bullshit becomes reality, it is the honest truth. And you know it when you see it. As with most analysts, the legends would have it the easiest because many trust his or her opinion. But it wasn't always that way. You start from square one, after all..

As for this guy David Reeves, please don't disregard his opinion as it's just a prediction. He may seem like a waste of time, but.. What if he's right?!.. Then again, what if he's wrong? I'm going to leave that for you to think about.

Is it worth reading? Yes, is it "news"? No.

There should be a section of the forums for this kind of stuff, things that are worth reading, but don't warrant a new news article

 

[demoman_chaos]

Microsoft maybe, since the 360 is all used up in terms of capabilites. The PS3 still has some surprises, since there is 1 processor that is currently unused. Perhaps when Sony sees it fit, they will unleash the last processor and it will be epic.