CDC Issues Eviction Moratorium

[Tireseas]

Too many. The number has only gone up with time, and at this rate, soon there will be more lawyers here than people.

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Unless they are one of the people actually evicted or at risk of eviction because this doesn't actually stop it from happening right now or before November. This only makes those who are not actually being evicted think that Trump did something when he really didn't. People are still being evicted with this in place they just go around it. People were still being evicted around here in Texas under the previous eviction rules as well, and this one doesn't even have as much teeth as that one did.

Yeah, unfortunately tenant protections are largely a matter of state and local law, so tenants are often at the political whims of the party in power. Generally, this has meant more democratic cities and states have better protections while republican cities and states have fewer protections.

Like I said, it's a half-measure at best and while I was reading through the order it was clear that this was designed to be able to create a narrative that Trump was doing something and this was probably the only route he had, and even then it has the kinds of required actions by tenants that could easily be forgotten (the form language was at least provided, though no form was created) and hard to track down (I had to find the order via a news site as the CDC's home and news pages have no mention of it). It feels very much like an attempt to create a story (one that didn't even break through many outlets didn't cover until more than a day had passed) but with no effort to actually provide real assistance.

 

[lil devils x]

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Yeah, unfortunately tenant protections are largely a matter of state and local law, so tenants are often at the political whims of the party in power. Generally, this has meant more democratic cities and states have better protections while republican cities and states have fewer protections.

Like I said, it's a half-measure at best and while I was reading through the order it was clear that this was designed to be able to create a narrative that Trump was doing something and this was probably the only route he had, and even then it has the kinds of required actions by tenants that could easily be forgotten (the form language was at least provided, though no form was created) and hard to track down (I had to find the order via a news site as the CDC's home and news pages have no mention of it). It feels very much like an attempt to create a story (one that didn't even break through many outlets didn't cover until more than a day had passed) but with no effort to actually provide real assistance.

Yea, often people who are not affected do not even realize how awful it is for others though. Reality is though even when they were supposed to stop evictions in May, they were still doing it anyways here without the courts. This is nothing more than a prop with no real help, pretty much like Trump's fake inauguration cake that turned out to be cardboard and just about anything else he has done since taking office. He just does things " beneficial" for show and the only things he really cares about and are meant to do what they are designed to do are actually pretty terrible. We really are so screwed right now, and I am not seeing how any of this is going to be even remotely " fixable" even if they do somehow manage to get him out of office after he broke everything already. I guess that is intentional as well. If they can't fix it, they don't get to make themselves look better than Trump. Preventing the coming tidal wave is our best bet to making this better, after that just trying to pick up the pieces is a nightmare.

Landlords will stop at nothing to get people out if they really want to evict them even if they have to bypass the courts because chances are if someone can't afford to pay rent, they can't afford to take them to court over their actions anyhow. Pretty much the reason Trump was able to screw so many people over throughout his career. The thousands of lawsuits he had for contract violations and non payment are only just a few of the people he refused to pay most didn't bother pursuing action.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

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[Tireseas]

Yea, often people who are not affected do not even realize how awful it is for others though. Reality is though even when they were supposed to stop evictions in May, they were still doing it anyways here without the courts. This is nothing more than a prop with no real help, pretty much like Trump's fake inauguration cake that turned out to be cardboard and just about anything else he has done since taking office. He just does things " beneficial" for show and the only things he really cares about and are meant to do what they are designed to do are actually pretty terrible. We really are so screwed right now, and I am not seeing how any of this is going to be even remotely " fixable" even if they do somehow manage to get him out of office after he broke everything already. I guess that is intentional as well. If they can't fix it, they don't get to make themselves look better than Trump. Preventing the coming tidal wave is our best bet to making this better, after that just trying to pick up the pieces is a nightmare.

Landlords will stop at nothing to get people out if they really want to evict them even if they have to bypass the courts because chances are if someone can't afford to pay rent, they can't afford to take them to court over their actions anyhow. Pretty much the reason Trump was able to screw so many people over throughout his career. The thousands of lawsuits he had for contract violations and non payment are only just a few of the people he refused to pay most didn't bother pursuing action.

I wish you are wrong, but I'd be lying. The grand irony is that in my experience, the ones most likely to break the law on LLT issues are the small "mom-and-pop" operations because their portfolios are not large enough to handle a sudden shock like a economic downturn, a sudden large maintenance issue/expense, or even just two tenants not paying rent in the same month. Larger portfolios (who also tend to have higher rent) can sustain a shock like that, either with cash on hand or selling or refinancing a property to ride out the situation (that's where large chunk of my current work is as I try to be a one-stop shop for owners legal needs). Those larger portfolios mean more of a liability risk if there's a pattern of violations, so it encourages being on top of current law and crafting policies and procedures to insure landlord responsibilities are met. It's for that reason that I always recommend that a owner use a property management firm to manage their property/ies, as those firms have the patterns and practices down to avoid said liabilities. They will follow moratoriums as it's part of their duty to their clients to avoid that kind of liability. Simultaneously, I've advised property managers to terminate clients who push boundaries on their legal obligations because they're a lawsuit waiting to happen, whether by a tenant or the owner.

Again, the bigger issue is that all this is doing is delaying a bigger problem down the road. Renters and owners need to be bailed out before a housing foreclosure crisis that will make 2008 look small hits the economy. The best part is that the usual moral hazard considerations that caused most GOP congresspeople and senators to balk at it in 2008 and 2009 are not in play (and were outright exacerbated by the party's mismanagement of the crisis both in the Senate and in the White House), so this shouldn't be a bigger lift beyond just authorizing the funds.

 

[lil devils x]

I wish you are wrong, but I'd be lying. The grand irony is that in my experience, the ones most likely to break the law on LLT issues are the small "mom-and-pop" operations because their portfolios are not large enough to handle a sudden shock like a economic downturn, a sudden large maintenance issue/expense, or even just two tenants not paying rent in the same month. Larger portfolios (who also tend to have higher rent) can sustain a shock like that, either with cash on hand or selling or refinancing a property to ride out the situation (that's where large chunk of my current work is as I try to be a one-stop shop for owners legal needs). Those larger portfolios mean more of a liability risk if there's a pattern of violations, so it encourages being on top of current law and crafting policies and procedures to insure landlord responsibilities are met. It's for that reason that I always recommend that a owner use a property management firm to manage their property/ies, as those firms have the patterns and practices down to avoid said liabilities. They will follow moratoriums as it's part of their duty to their clients to avoid that kind of liability. Simultaneously, I've advised property managers to terminate clients who push boundaries on their legal obligations because they're a lawsuit waiting to happen, whether by a tenant or the owner.

Again, the bigger issue is that all this is doing is delaying a bigger problem down the road. Renters and owners need to be bailed out before a housing foreclosure crisis that will make 2008 look small hits the economy. The best part is that the usual moral hazard considerations that caused most GOP congresspeople and senators to balk at it in 2008 and 2009 are not in play (and were outright exacerbated by the party's mismanagement of the crisis both in the Senate and in the White House), so this shouldn't be a bigger lift beyond just authorizing the funds.

Oh you are so right, the mom and pop organizations are not " above" pulling what Fiona did on shameless, but instead of smoke bombs being thrown in there, they would just bug bomb the place with foggers to run them out then change the locks the second they leave and toss their shit to the curb. (I saw this happening to a neighboring apartment building once, it as crazy. I was worried someone was going to get shot tbh) I have seen landlords change the locks WHILE the tenants are still in the apartment and then just walk in and start tossing stuff. If the tenants want their stuff, they have to go outside to get it, then the landlord closes the door when they do. Those situations get scary fast. That is why the landlords often show up with their cousin "Bubba" or something standing there armed. This shit is really that crazy around here....

I 100% agree that they have to bail them out now, and not expect to be paid back and that is the only real option we have to soften the blow right now or this is going to be devastatingly ugly very soon. Lindsey Graham and his coalition that is blocking the funds to the unemployed are the problem here. Their entire goal right now is to literally " starve them out" they are deliberately trying to force the unemployed to put themselves into life threatening situations for less than even a living wage and even then, that would not do anything about the wave coming, they aren't being paid enough to pay the rent regardless. Him and his Cronies think it is a good thing to force the poor to work for nothing because they see it as a business opportunity to get slave labor. this is 100% falling onto the republicans right now because if they had not held up the funding people wouldn't be falling even farther behind right now. In reality we needed the $600 a check ON TOP OF other relief funds to address the back unpaid bills as well. They want to cray the democrats were blocking it, they were blocking it because they were DEMANDING money for the poor here and were not passing it without it.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Spoiler: A side bar to point out the best goddamn joke in a Marvel movie until "America's Ass"

Yeah, unfortunately tenant protections are largely a matter of state and local law, so tenants are often at the political whims of the party in power. Generally, this has meant more democratic cities and states have better protections while republican cities and states have fewer protections.

Like I said, it's a half-measure at best and while I was reading through the order it was clear that this was designed to be able to create a narrative that Trump was doing something and this was probably the only route he had, and even then it has the kinds of required actions by tenants that could easily be forgotten (the form language was at least provided, though no form was created) and hard to track down (I had to find the order via a news site as the CDC's home and news pages have no mention of it). It feels very much like an attempt to create a story (one that didn't even break through many outlets didn't cover until more than a day had passed) but with no effort to actually provide real assistance.

Do you have any good lawyer jokes? (As in jokes told between lawyers about the profession)

 

[CM156]

Do you have any good lawyer jokes? (As in jokes told between lawyers about the profession)

On the 8th day, God said "Let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on the devil"

 

[Tireseas]

Do you have any good lawyer jokes? (As in jokes told between lawyers about the profession)

A judge asked Abraham Lincoln "didn't you argue the exact opposite thing last week in another case?"

Lincoln responds "I believed in that last week and this this week"

Spoiler: The joke is roughly based on a real pair of cases that's even weirder

Have you ever heard of a lawyer so good that he could win both sides of a case? This is exactly what Lincoln did. The case involved the stealing of pigs and slander. In David Adkins vs. Robert Hines, it seems that Hines accused Adkins of stealing five sows and five hogs. Stephen Douglas represented Adkins, while Lincoln and John Stuart represented Hines. Hines had been heard to slander Adkins, so Lincoln took a daring course in his arguments, saying YES, Hines had accused Adkins of stealing pigs. But this was not slander, because Hines was a pig thief! Douglas argued that it was impossible for Adkins to have stolen those pigs. He was visiting friends 20 miles away on the day the pigs were stolen. This argument was dismissed and Lincoln won the first round.

Because of Lincoln’s tactics, Adkins was then arrested and tried for being a hog thief. Adkins couldn’t afford a lawyer so the courts appointed one, Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln used the witness that Douglas had found proving that Adkins was out of town, so Adkins was acquitted. The case was settled for the defendant. Not many lawyers can claim to have won the same case twice, winning for both sides!
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The entirety of My Cousin Vinny is just a series of law school jokes. My contracts professor (who literally wrote textbooks on the subject as well as Contract Law For Dummies) would literally use clips of it in class.

 

[Tireseas]

One more because text limits means stuff gets cut off in order to post. This one is more a meme for lawyers but is funny because it's really true in some cases (having nearly broken down myself a few times):

.

 

[CM156]

The entirety of My Cousin Vinny is just a series of law school jokes. My contracts professor (who literally wrote textbooks on the subject as well as the Contract Law For Dummies) would literally use clips of it in class.

My criminal law professor also used My Cousin Vinny.
I think it's nearly universal.
Excellent movie.

One more because text limits means shit gets cut off. This one is more a meme for lawyers but is funny because it's really true in some cases (having nearly broken down myself a few times):

I've never gotten to the point of crying in court.
But I did break down when I was doing a guardian ad litem case.

 

[Eacaraxe]

This one is more a meme for lawyers but is funny because it's really true in some cases (having nearly broken down myself a few times):

Most of my experience with attorneys and JD's is with the ACLU, but there it boils down a lot of alcohol and solace in some very dark humor. The most offensive jokes I've ever heard in my life came behind closed doors, from people who are/were on my state ACLU's board of directors.

Yep, very good timing as eviction only effects people after the election

Well that's the rub isn't it, the only people who are/would fight it in court are Democrats, and being this is already September filing for an injunction to bar the moratorium would be the absolute worst optics one could conceive for Democrats. Honestly I'm surprised they have yet to sue.

 

[lil devils x]

Most of my experience with attorneys and JD's is with the ACLU, but there it boils down a lot of alcohol and solace in some very dark humor. The most offensive jokes I've ever heard in my life came behind closed doors, from people who are/were on my state ACLU's board of directors.


Well that's the rub isn't it, the only people who are/would fight it in court are Democrats, and being this is already September filing for an injunction to bar the moratorium would be the absolute worst optics one could conceive for Democrats. Honestly I'm surprised they have yet to sue.

Why would democrats sue? Democrats have been pushing for them to do whatever it takes to stop evictions. This doesn't even do anything to really help stop eviction, it is just a horse and pony show, as we discussed above. They are still evicting people and this doesn't stop them from doing so. I mean Democrats want to actually stop evictions, so they still have to push for that to happen. The reality is though if they push through the help for the poor that is being held up by the GOP right now, that will help the people more than anything else. They need to both stop evictions AND get that relief for the poor that Both Trump and the GOP have been holding hostage passed or people are screwed regardless.