Cheating, or beating them at their own game?

[Paragon Fury]

I'd like to talk about something abit different.

Many of us are, of course, familiar with Pokemon. Be it Red/Blue, Gold/Silver/Crystal, etc. we've all almost played some version of Pokemon.

We're familiar then, with Nintendo's little "events", where Pokemon are given away that are unobatinable otherwise. Mew. Celebi. Jirachi. Arceus. Deoxys. These Pokemon and more are unobtainable by those not in Japan, or those who do not live in New York City or LA. The events simply are the only way to get them. And Nintendo is not very giving with the events. Yet people have found ways around this. The controversy today is something that plaques the Pokemon commnity still is this.

Can we really call it "cheating" when people use things such as Action Replay or Gameshark to beat Nintendo at their own game and use them to obtain the event parameters that would allow them capture these Pokemon normally?

Further, can we call it cheating when people use these devices to obtain Pokemon, like the previous generation starters, that would be unobtainable outside of EXTREME random chance?


Obviously, using these devices to create super Pokemon (IE: Wondertomb) is considering cheating by almost everyone. But is using them to make the catchline of the series "Gotta Catch'em All" actually possible cheating, or is it simply making good on something Nintendo uses to sell their game?

 

[Internet Kraken]

Action replays? They ruin the game. Rare Pokemon are supposed to be rare. You're supposed to trade rare Pokemon for other valuable Pokemon. With action replay, that whole system is ruined. People are willing to trade shiny Groudon for zigzaggon.


As for event based Pokemon, yes they are lame and annoying. But really, who cares about them?

 

[Paragon Fury]

Action replays? They ruin the game. Rare Pokemon are supposed to be rare. You're supposed to trade rare Pokemon for other valuable Pokemon. With action replay, that whole system is ruined. People are willing to trade shiny Groudon for zigzaggon.


As for event based Pokemon, yes they are lame and annoying. But really, who cares about them?

We're not talking about people who use them to get hard-to-get, but otherwise obtainable, Pokemon. Most people don't agree with that.

We're taking about people who use them to Pokemon that are litterally UNOBTAINABLE unless you live in Japan, NYC or LA.

 

[azurawolf]

I haven't seen that as cheating. Most of the time, there is no other way to get the Pokemon and everyone should have the chance at owning a badass legendary Pokemon? But... they do hold those events for a reason. To keep the Pokemon rare and hard to get. So cheating would ruin those plans making the Pokemon less special...

 

[The Rockerfly]

Nope, Nintendo if you want me to go to one of your conventions then do some intersting for it and not just try and lure me in like a fly to a light.
If it's for rare based pokemon then you're just a lazy bum and go find them, although if it's only avaliable on the other version (e.g. you want a pokemon from red when you have blue) then again it's okay
Really theres so much to think about and it's so petty that can we just say no it's not?

 

[Internet Kraken]

Action replays? They ruin the game. Rare Pokemon are supposed to be rare. You're supposed to trade rare Pokemon for other valuable Pokemon. With action replay, that whole system is ruined. People are willing to trade shiny Groudon for zigzaggon.


As for event based Pokemon, yes they are lame and annoying. But really, who cares about them?

We're not talking about people who use them to get hard-to-get, but otherwise obtainable, Pokemon. Most people don't agree with that.

We're taking about people who use them to Pokemon that are litterally UNOBTAINABLE unless you live in Japan, NYC or LA.

Well in your post you used the example of previous generation starters. I'd say cheating to gain access to them is wrong. As for event Pokemon, I really don't see the need to cheat to get them. Why would you even want them? I just pretend they don't exist, aside from the 2 mews I have on my Ruby version.

 

[Gamer137]

For solo use, I don't think so. In solo play, people can cheat and hack as much as they want. However, when multiplayer matches and trading come into play, only legit Pokemon should be used. Rare Pokemon becoming common ruins the point of rare being rare. It also annoyed me whenever I went to wi-fi trade and almost every Pokemon I say was a hacked version. I don;t enjoy hacks in my games, and the "economy" gets ruined and corrupted.

Private is fine. Public is not.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

I've cheated a lot in pokemon... like in blue to get a scyther (or however you spell it), since they aren't in that game...

 

[sms_117b]

I only ever played Red and gold single player, yeah I used my action replay card to get hold of a level 5 Dratini and the first evolution of Tyranitar as soon as possible, still put hours into training the beasts up to level 100 then again a second so I could breed the buggers and then train that one because it would be ridiculously strong.

The event pokemon I got through the event, made the game a bit more enjoyable.

The rare pokemon I was going to catch them eventually, and I'm short on patience.

 

[Paragon Fury]

Action replays? They ruin the game. Rare Pokemon are supposed to be rare. You're supposed to trade rare Pokemon for other valuable Pokemon. With action replay, that whole system is ruined. People are willing to trade shiny Groudon for zigzaggon.


As for event based Pokemon, yes they are lame and annoying. But really, who cares about them?

We're not talking about people who use them to get hard-to-get, but otherwise obtainable, Pokemon. Most people don't agree with that.

We're taking about people who use them to Pokemon that are litterally UNOBTAINABLE unless you live in Japan, NYC or LA.

Well in your post you used the example of previous generation starters. I'd say cheating to gain access to them is wrong. As for event Pokemon, I really don't see the need to cheat to get them. Why would you even want them? I just pretend they don't exist, aside from the 2 mews I have on my Ruby version.

The previous generation starters can be in the newest games, but only the RB/S/E are realistic. For R/B/Y/G/S/C starters, an Action Replay is almost required, or access to someone who was a god at the GC Pokemon games. (Same with the Legendary Bird Lugia and Ho-oh, and the Dogs.)

 

[Internet Kraken]

Action replays? They ruin the game. Rare Pokemon are supposed to be rare. You're supposed to trade rare Pokemon for other valuable Pokemon. With action replay, that whole system is ruined. People are willing to trade shiny Groudon for zigzaggon.


As for event based Pokemon, yes they are lame and annoying. But really, who cares about them?

We're not talking about people who use them to get hard-to-get, but otherwise obtainable, Pokemon. Most people don't agree with that.

We're taking about people who use them to Pokemon that are litterally UNOBTAINABLE unless you live in Japan, NYC or LA.

Well in your post you used the example of previous generation starters. I'd say cheating to gain access to them is wrong. As for event Pokemon, I really don't see the need to cheat to get them. Why would you even want them? I just pretend they don't exist, aside from the 2 mews I have on my Ruby version.

The previous generation starters can be in the newest games, but only the RB/S/E are realistic. For R/B/Y/G/S/C starters, an Action Replay is almost required, or access to someone who was a god at the GC Pokemon games. (Same with the Legendary Bird Lugia and Ho-oh, and the Dogs.)

I can understand the G/S startes, but what's so hard about the 1st gen starters? You can just use fire red or leaf green.

 

[Paragon Fury]

Arceus, Darkrai or Shaymin? Are you sure? I did it in Platinum on three of those - used the AR to get the item, the used the item to get to the Pokemon, caught the Pokemon, and left.

 

[jibjab963]

Cheating? More like getting back! I dont use a cheat device but I find it fair. Like you said most are only in Japan. But some rares can be found at toys R us now. Or they let you use the mystery gift with the internet to get them.

 

[gigastrike]

I have a hacked Jirachi, but that's it.

 

[Paragon Fury]

"Hacked" as in truly hacked, or you used a hack to make the gam event occur to obtain it?

 

[Bigeyez]

I remember I used to use a gameshark back in the day to get pokemong in red version (I had blue and yellow) because I thought it was bs how you couldn't get them in the other two.

I guess thats considered cheating but meh...it's not like Pokemon is like a competitive game or anything. (or is it? lol idk)

 

[DazZ.]

I remember some kid at school had a Mew on his pokémon red, so we all traded it by taking out the link cable at a specific time so that both the games had the same Mew on them.

Everyone is school had it except one kid who nobody would trade with because their game would get germs on or something. School was cruel for the uncool. (Yes, I did just say that... and I now feel five)

 

[FinalHeart95]

I don't care. They can play the game however they want. I prefer a challenge, although getting Mew through that glitch in R/B/Y is fun as hell.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Meh, people who fill up their line ups with legendarys are pansies anyway.

 

[Paragon Fury]

Yes, yes they are. But we're talking about those who simply want to complete thier Pokedex/collections, not those who stack their teams with legends.