CliffyB Sticks Up for the Wii U

[Eternal_Lament]

I wonder how many people now think he's dumb, even though Epic makes the best dev kit out there. Also, Moviebob was right, what a shock.

Wait, what was Moviebob right about? I've gotten out of the loop with him so this confuses me, as "Moviebob" and "right" aren't two words I associate with each other.

OT: Just because Cliffy B. says people will buy it doesn't mean I will. I've never gotten a Nintendo home console, and based on what I've seen the WiiU isn't going to be my first Nintendo Console either. To be perfectly honest I don't actually have much use for Nintendo anymore, as I've never really been that excited about their first-party titles, and the only thing that has kept me coming to them, my DS, is slowly collecting dust, as I'm spending more and more time with my PSP. That said, my problem with the WiiU isn't even the "It looks like old gaming technology" thing, rather I know that in about a year or two time after the WiiU is released that it will be old technology, as the iPad (the thing the WiiU I suspect is targeting) will have all the features of a WiiU controller minus the buttons and thumbsticks but with other features and better tech, and even now (if I heard it correctly) the WiiU is technically older than an iPad because unlike an iPad it isn't multi-touch, which sort of puts a whole hamper on the touch screen aspect of the controller if it isn't even up to what the standard consumer considers normal. Even if it was multi-touch, there isn't any reason I should get this if a) I'm not a Nintendo first-party fan and b) if the third-party games for it are already coming out for other consoles a few months in advance.

 

[Scrythe]

To me, it looks less like the Dreamcast and more like Nintendo thought to themselves: "This will be like a home console version of the DS, except the top screen is your TV and the touch screen in in your hands!"

As much as I like to chew this out like everyone else above me, it doesn't change the notion that it will outsell everything else in the market. The Wii was one of the most hated console/conrtoller designs, yet it blew the PS3, 360 and the PS2 out of the water. Everyone pissed and moaned about the dual-screen DS, yet that's one of the top-selling handhelds. Everyone moaned on about the three-handed controller for the N64, and yet I have yet to run into someone who didn't own one at some point. I'm willing to bet my teeth that people thought it was strange for the NES to have a d-pad instead of a joystick, too.

Now that I think about it, with the exception of the last example, Nintendo is all about throwing extra shit, isn't it? Extra handles, extra screens. Hell, the Virtual Boy had an extra d-pad.

Goes to show that no matter how much shit it's wrapped in, people will still blindly shell out their hard-earned cash to re-buy their childhood.

 

[starwarsgeek]

I agree with the people saying things like Nintendo IS good with innovation, Nintendo IS getting the most sales, and these innovations like motion sensing can be implemented into hardcore games and make them more fun, and I have another point to add.

I'm the most rare kind of gamer I know of. I own a shit-ton of and enjoy hardcore games, but I also have an open mind and can enjoy more casual/puzzle games as well. The setup I find is best for me is to have a PC and a Nintendo console. The reasoning behind this is simple: the XBox and PlayStation these days have practically the same catalog as the PC. Maybe there are a few exclusives between the two sides, but that doesn't mean jack. So, I want a console with types of games I can't find on the PC. Where do you turn to for that? NINTENDO. Games like No More Heroes, Nintendo's own games, and even PC games with new, amazing controls (AKA Call of Duty with motion sensing aiming) are a great addition to my PC collection. If I had an XBox, I'd only play it for Halo. If I had an PS3, I'd only play it for Metal Gear (though that would be worth the price IMO). With my Wii, I own at least 30 games, the like of which are not on any other system.

And, besides, I can't miss a Zelda game (not counting the remake on the 3DS which I don't care about).

Funny you should say that, because that's basically what I'm planning to do for the next generation. Get the Wii U, then get into PC gaming once its competition overpowers it, then pick up the new Xbox and Playstation once their a generation old and cheap if they have enough exclusives that I want to play.
And 30 games? Impressive collection, Jimi.

 

[Twilight_guy]

The creator of Gears of War actually taking a logical stand and defending Nintendo... *head explosion*

Actually it is true that consoles build upon previous technology so that that's not a valid criticism. Lots of people are just complaining because its different though and that is a stupid but valid criticism. I think the bigger issue is that Gamers are more stuck in their ways then 80 year old men trying to keep kids off their lawns.

 

[Rayne870]

Bleszinksi was excited about the possibilities that the Wii U controller offered, joking that it would allow him to play console games while sitting on the toilet.

i would buy it for this

 

[BehattedWanderer]

"It's Nintendo," he said "They'll talk shit but they'll buy it."

It's fun to see a well known name in the gaming community and industry say something that would be said among a group of friends having a discussion on the topic.

 

[Chibz]

Cause massive generalisations are kewl!

Nintendo are aiming this at casuals and at 'hardcore' gamers. Nintendo have the right idea, it's just the 'hardcore' internet crowd are pricks who never want to accept anything new and judge a console off the demographic of its predecessor.

Yeah. Mindless Nintendo hate is just considered kewl, especially on these forums. No really. Mindlessly bash the PC, get punished. Mindlessly bash the 360 or PS3? Good chance of punishment. Mindlessly bash the wii, never once get anything happen to you. YAY!

I don't know what universe you come from where the Wii did terrible, because in THIS one... it was a cash cow for Nintendo.

It's also funny because not only did the wii outsell the 360 & ps3 by a large margin, but Nintendo was also making a profit off it the whole time. Even though the Xbox & PS3 were being sold at a LOSS at the start of this gen.

I'd like to think that selling well and customer satisfaction are 2 very separate things. I have a Wii in my house, but all it does is collect dust. Then again, I was still on good terms with Nintendo when I bought that thing.

It's not the systems fault that you seem unable or unwilling to search out the truly great games on it. Unless your problem is that the only games you consider "truly great" are just mindless, generic FPS in which case I'd argue that the problem is lack of taste, not lack of quality games.

It's fun to see a well known name in the gaming community and industry say something that would be said among a group of friends having a discussion on the topic.

Yeah. Not a week ago I was with a bunch of friends and I openly said that gamers, as a community, are weak in character & will. Like look at Activision. Every time Activision does something their "fanbase" doesn't like (I refuse to acknowledge they genuinely have fans) they get pissy faced. Refuse to buy the next game. But when it comes out...

 

[vxicepickxv]

I can see CliffyB andd Mark Rein on opposite sides of this issue.

CliffyB - This thing is going to sell well
Mark Rein - It's already outdated technology, and we don't want to make games for it.

 

[The Lugz]

personally, i think if it can meet or beat current consoles on game-play and feel then it will definately sell
the biggest question is how much play will you actually get from that little screen? will it be your minimap in an adventure game? will it be a hand scanner / tricorder for your scifi games?
or will it just be an over-bloated controller?

personally, i may actually buy this console out of pure morbid curiosity just to see how they utilize that thing

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Wether this thing succedes or fails, I just want the guy who's naming these consoles to be fired. ~.~

 

[Jabberwock King]

Snipification

Maybe I don't consider shovelware as being worth my time, ever think of that? I do have games for the Wii, but not a lot of them. I played Twilight Princess, and while I enjoyed the game, I felt that the massive disparity in time between challenging, intense, and enjoyable combat and puzzles was pathetic. The only times that I truly felt alive and challenged were in the battles with Darknauts(?) and the final fight against Ganondorf. The temple of time had barely any combat that I could recall, and most of my time was spent on those weight scale puzzles, though I must thank the developers for making the boss a curb-stomp battle, it really made me laugh.

I'm going to get Skyward Sword, because I'm hoping that it has most of the combat that was omitted from Twilight Princess. Shifting to other things I have, my biggest complaint with SSBB was that the AI was shit and that the developers idea of making the game harder was giving them overpowered stats so they could poke me for a ring-out, rather than making the AI more competent and responsive. My other complaint is that the AI exist specifically to attack me. This may seem like an odd complaint, but if you have ever seen those things in action, you would know that they have a habit of completely resolving their differences, and walking side-by-side together just so that they could come after me.

Moving on, I declare that Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World was a mediocre piece of shit that could never live up to the original, and that I only bought Soul Calibur Legends because Lloyd Irving was in it. FUCK YOU BRIAN BEACOCK!

Btw, I don't play CoD, so don't be a presumptuous twat. I never finished BF:BC2 because of the absolutely repetitive gameplay, same thing for RDR. I do however enjoy Halo, because the combat feels more nuanced when your enemies have more than 1 character model, and fighting the demonic Ultra elites on LASO in close quarters combat feels more exhilarating than most fights in the Legend of Zelda.

Now please, tell me what YOU consider to be gems in the pitiful muck ridden landscape that is the Wii's game library.

 

[DracoSuave]

Snipification

Maybe I don't consider shovelware as being worth my time, ever think of that? I do have games for the Wii, but not a lot of them. I played Twilight Princess, and while I enjoyed the game, I felt that the massive disparity in time between challenging, intense, and enjoyable combat and puzzles was pathetic. The only times that I truly felt alive and challenged were in the battles with Darknauts(?) and the final fight against Ganondorf. The temple of time had barely any combat that I could recall, and most of my time was spent on those weight scale puzzles, though I must thank the developers for making the boss a curb-stomp battle, it really made me laugh.

I'm going to get Skyward Sword, because I'm hoping that it has most of the combat that was omitted from Twilight Princess. Shifting to other things I have, my biggest complaint with SSBB was that the AI was shit and that the developers idea of making the game harder was giving them overpowered stats so they could poke me for a ring-out, rather than making the AI more competent and responsive. My other complaint is that the AI exist specifically to attack me. This may seem like an odd complaint, but if you have ever seen those things in action, you would know that they have a habit of completely resolving their differences, and walking side-by-side together just so that they could come after me.

Moving on, I declare that Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World was a mediocre piece of shit that could never live up to the original, and that I only bought Soul Calibur Legends because Lloyd Irving was in it. FUCK YOU BRIAN BEACOCK!

Btw, I don't play CoD, so don't be a presumptuous twat. I never finished BF:BC2 because of the absolutely repetitive gameplay, same thing for RDR. I do however enjoy Halo, because the combat feels more nuanced when your enemies have more than 1 character model, and fighting the demonic Ultra elites on LASO in close quarters combat feels more exhilarating than most fights in the Legend of Zelda.

Now please, tell me what YOU consider to be gems in the pitiful muck ridden landscape that is the Wii's game library.

Subjective argument is subjective.

It doesn't matter one single bit if you don't like the majority of the Wii's titles.

It matters that people bought the damn thing and it has a larger market penetration than any other system of this generation, and also made more money.

Sure, sales are down these days... but it still made more money.

That's an objective argument towards success.

 

[theultimateend]

Well, that's an insulting position to take. Here's a thought - maybe the people trashing it aren't the people buying it?

Highly doubtful.

The Wii shouldn't have sold nearly as well either if this was truth.

If we ignore the fact that the Wii's target demographic was not the same as the other consoles', for instance, sure.

I love calling baseless accusations fact as much as the next guy, but if I had to choose between "the good demographic" of snobby people on video game forums, OR take the group of folks that put my console at the #1 sales spot.

I'd go with the latter.

Note: That's their console selling nearly as much as both competitors combined. But at least not one of those people overlap.

It's good business.

Keep in mind, I like the PS3 more than the Wii. But Nintendo would be retarded if they try to pander to the impossible to please "hardcore elite".

One last fun one, for the software side:

8 of the top 10 for this week are on Nintendo Hardware.

 

[Jabberwock King]

Snipification

Snipification

Subjective argument is subjective.

It doesn't matter one single bit if you don't like the majority of the Wii's titles.

It matters that people bought the damn thing and it has a larger market penetration than any other system of this generation, and also made more money.

Sure, sales are down these days... but it still made more money.

That's an objective argument towards success.

I don't dispute the sales numbers, but I feel that it is worth noting that having a bad taste in your mouth often discourages a second helping. When a bat eats a poison moth, it will remember what it tasted like the next time it detects a similar moth through echo location. The lack of customer satisfaction for the Wii could negatively impact the sales of it's successor. So basing your predictions of success upon past sales disregards social factors.

 

[DracoSuave]

Snipification

Snipification

Subjective argument is subjective.

It doesn't matter one single bit if you don't like the majority of the Wii's titles.

It matters that people bought the damn thing and it has a larger market penetration than any other system of this generation, and also made more money.

Sure, sales are down these days... but it still made more money.

That's an objective argument towards success.

I don't dispute the sales numbers, but I feel that it is worth noting that having a bad taste in your mouth often discourages a second helping. When a bat eats a poison moth, it will remember what it tasted like the next time it detects a similar moth through echo location. The lack of customer satisfaction for the Wii could negatively impact the sales of it's successor. So basing your predictions of success upon past sales disregards social factors.

On the other hand, its market penetration could positively impact sales numbers. Or it could be a mostly irrelevant issue, like how the GameCube's utter lack of market penetration didn't affect the Wii's sales one bit, except that it informed them taking a strategy of play experience over technological extravagance.

And you know what? They're right. Gamers who buy systems for the technology are less impactful than those who by them for experiences. Gaming systems are for playing, not for going gaga over the processor.

Sony only stopped trailing in sales once they realized it was experience that sells, so they started selling experiences.

Lastly, it's the same analysts predicting the WiiU's fall that predicted the Eii's failure. I'd say they haven't a good track record on this.

I'm not saying this because I'm defending the Wii. I don't own one, it doesn't appeal to me, personally. But I understand that when one thing comes out that prints money, something else trying to use the same strategy might also print money. Precedent supports Nintendo's actions, and 'analysts' who don't look at that simple fact are simply looking at the way things are at the end of the Wii cycle and suggesting that has any bearing on the beginning of the WiiU cycle. That's preposterous.

 

[DracoSuave]

8 of the top 10 for this week are on Nintendo Hardware.

Something that's even more important: Most of those games aren't the newness.

Some of them have been out for weeks.

Others months.

Yeah, Nintendo doesn't know how to make money. Doom! GlooM!

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

I bet it will sell well, however im not sure if it will sell as much as the Wii. It will make Nintendo huge bucks but I think that it will take something really major to top the Wii

 

[Trilliandi]

I like how someone said the Wii wasn't appealing to their demographic. As if Nintendo gives a flying squirell's left nut about 20% of the new gaming demographic that THEY practically single-handedly built up.

The thing about Nintendo, is that they know how to keep people asking for more, while the other two throw everything they've got just to keep up.

If Nintendo's such a gimmick, then the Move and Kinect should work just as well... and yet...

 

[remnant_phoenix]

For the WiiU haters and console fanatics in general:

"This console this..."

"That console that..."

Console fanboys and console haters need to go the hell away. It's all about the games.

People trashed the Gamecube, but was Prince of Persia: Sands of Time on Gamecube any different than it was on PS2 or Xbox? No! There's a difference is the controller that's in your hands, and while we have our preferences, that's not a major difference! In the end, it's all about the game.

I can understand the Wii hate to a point. It got left out of a lot of the major releases because games had to be built for PS3/360 release, and then scale-down ported to the Wii or built from the ground up for the Wii. People like to poke fun at Wii-waggle or the casual crowd, but where the Wii failed the core gaming audience was in its library, because it's all about the games.

Gamers who are trashing the WiiU "becuz its nintendo and nintendo is teh suk! PS3/360 4 LIEF!!!" Shut up. Just, shut up. It's all about the games.

To Nintendo and all industry people who are caught up in Nintendo's tech, listen close: what will make or break the WiiU is the game library, because, for the LAST DAMN TIME, it's ALL ABOUT THE GAMES!

In closing, I look forward to a day when gamers and developers alike realize that a console is only as good as the games that are on it, and the ONLY LEGITIMATE REASON for hyping/hating/favoring one console over the other is based on the library of games that it offers. Trashing the WiiU before we know anything about it's game library is short-sighted, unfounded, and just stupid.