College Student Kills Intruder With a Sword

[Amnestic]

Two words, ninja training, that is all.

two words are also 2 words.

four words that is all.

'That is all' is also three words.

Technically, proper punctuation would have it be-

Two words: Ninja Training.

That is all.

This shows proper separation between the different clauses.

 

[rokkolpo]

just wondering what does punctuation actually mean?

english is not my first language,so please enlighten me.

 

[Amnestic]

just wondering what does punctuation actually mean?

english is not my first language,so please enlighten me.

Full stops, commas, colons, speechmarks, question marks, exclamation marks. That sorta stuff.

 

[rokkolpo]

well that explains zero punctuation.
i used to think it ment zero control of mouth muscle and so saying whatever you like(cough)punctuation

 

[Nutcase]

Umm... That's not really how it works... Unless you're trained, a longsword's not gonna do you much good; you're gonna end up smackin' someone with the flat edge.

Even if you hit with the flat, it's a bar of metal, will put people out, and is harder to grab than a blunt weapon. And works with one hand, if you are strong. Better than a baseball bat for sure.

The cop who recommended getting one for home defense is still a dumbass.

 

[Starke]

I remember a cop once explaining that the best weapon to defend yourself with in most homes is a longsword. Handguns over penetrate, and during an adrenaline rush it's very easy to miss with a handgun. Shotguns have the over penetration problem as well, and aren't very effective in closed quarters if you're not very proficient. Knife fighting is a very VERY dangerous thing to do. But a sword gives you plenty of reach, and the risk of the other guy carrying one to pull on you is very slim.

Umm... That's not really how it works... Unless you're trained, a longsword's not gonna do you much good; you're gonna end up smackin' someone with the flat edge.

Knife fighting IS a dangerous thing to do if you have no idea what you're doing, and no training to execute effectively. Knives ARE an effective force multiplier if you have nothing else close to hand, and I would prefer a knife to a straight hand-to-hand engagement.

Handguns, especially those loaded with frangible or Hydra-shok rounds don't present nearly as much of a threat of overpenetration that you might be facing with jacketed rounds. And "easy to miss during an adrenaline rush?" Dude, when you're in the zone and capping away at someone, everything else in the world just melts away until there's nothing but cold, perfect clarity. It's you, your target, and one of you going down.

Shotguns? Shotguns are probably the premiere CQB weapon. I always preferred shotguns for breaching; you know why? Contrary to your post (I'll assume some innaccuracy since I doubt you've ever actually fired anything at anyone) it's not hard to merc someone with a shotgun. Once you're guns up, all you do is point and click. If you flag someone and pull the trigger, they're catching SOMETHING. And I have no idea where you got the idea of "overpenetration" on a shotgun, unless you've got a bunch of slugs loaded up. About the only problem you're gonna have is some of the pellets missing the target, which shouldn't be happening at extreme close range if you know what you're doing. Or if you catch them in the face, but the skull usually stops a lot of THAT.

That cop sounds like a dumbass. You might want to find someone else if you're looking for home defense advice.

Should have said handguns aren't very effective if you aren't proficient with them. Looking back I've got know idea what would cause a shotgun to over penetrate either. I'm not a huge fan of them, but yeah, for CQB they're excellent excluding some very peculiar circumstances.

The downside with a pistol is most people, when affected with an adrenaline rush will be less effective. They slow down, they shake, and in a lot of cases they get their asses killed by their own gun. Additionally there's the 10ft rule, which becomes a serious consideration inside a home.

While it is possible to fuck up with a sword and hit broad blade, it's not a difficult weapon to use, and if (and this is a big if) it's sharp, then it's a superior force multiplier to a knife, and requires far less training.

Now, as to your tone, I have more trigger time than I want. If you were trained the way you want us to think you are then you'd goddamn know that if you don't take time training with a knife extensively, using one in a fight is far more likely to get you killed than anyone else. And finally, for shits and grins, a shotgun is a violation of Geneva. Regardless what CoD4 taught you, using a shotgun (or, more specifically buckshot) on live targets is seriously illegal under international law. I'm not naive and thinking it doesn't happen, but the fact remains, it is illegal.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

I can't get this image out of my head, the student was a mature-age student and he looked like Obi-Wan Kenobi. It is the severed hand of the attacker I think.

Wonder if he did Kendo?

 

[Twilight_guy]

If someone is holding a sword, why would he pin him to a wall? That just makes it easier to for him to skewer the guy with the sword. That bugler overestimated his ability to be a pincushion.

 

[griever0311]

I remember a cop once explaining that the best weapon to defend yourself with in most homes is a longsword. Handguns over penetrate, and during an adrenaline rush it's very easy to miss with a handgun. Shotguns have the over penetration problem as well, and aren't very effective in closed quarters if you're not very proficient. Knife fighting is a very VERY dangerous thing to do. But a sword gives you plenty of reach, and the risk of the other guy carrying one to pull on you is very slim.

Umm... That's not really how it works... Unless you're trained, a longsword's not gonna do you much good; you're gonna end up smackin' someone with the flat edge.

Knife fighting IS a dangerous thing to do if you have no idea what you're doing, and no training to execute effectively. Knives ARE an effective force multiplier if you have nothing else close to hand, and I would prefer a knife to a straight hand-to-hand engagement.

Handguns, especially those loaded with frangible or Hydra-shok rounds don't present nearly as much of a threat of overpenetration that you might be facing with jacketed rounds. And "easy to miss during an adrenaline rush?" Dude, when you're in the zone and capping away at someone, everything else in the world just melts away until there's nothing but cold, perfect clarity. It's you, your target, and one of you going down.

Shotguns? Shotguns are probably the premiere CQB weapon. I always preferred shotguns for breaching; you know why? Contrary to your post (I'll assume some innaccuracy since I doubt you've ever actually fired anything at anyone) it's not hard to merc someone with a shotgun. Once you're guns up, all you do is point and click. If you flag someone and pull the trigger, they're catching SOMETHING. And I have no idea where you got the idea of "overpenetration" on a shotgun, unless you've got a bunch of slugs loaded up. About the only problem you're gonna have is some of the pellets missing the target, which shouldn't be happening at extreme close range if you know what you're doing. Or if you catch them in the face, but the skull usually stops a lot of THAT.

That cop sounds like a dumbass. You might want to find someone else if you're looking for home defense advice.

Should have said handguns aren't very effective if you aren't proficient with them. Looking back I've got know idea what would cause a shotgun to over penetrate either. I'm not a huge fan of them, but yeah, for CQB they're excellent excluding some very peculiar circumstances.

The downside with a pistol is most people, when affected with an adrenaline rush will be less effective. They slow down, they shake, and in a lot of cases they get their asses killed by their own gun. Additionally there's the 10ft rule, which becomes a serious consideration inside a home.

While it is possible to fuck up with a sword and hit broad blade, it's not a difficult weapon to use, and if (and this is a big if) it's sharp, then it's a superior force multiplier to a knife, and requires far less training.

Now, as to your tone, I have more trigger time than I want. If you were trained the way you want us to think you are then you'd goddamn know that if you don't take time training with a knife extensively, using one in a fight is far more likely to get you killed than anyone else. And finally, for shits and grins, a shotgun is a violation of Geneva. Regardless what CoD4 taught you, using a shotgun (or, more specifically buckshot) on live targets is seriously illegal under international law. I'm not naive and thinking it doesn't happen, but the fact remains, it is illegal.

Shotguns are NOT a violation of international law - the Germans tried pulling that shit back in the day, and it didn't fly. Shotguns are in common use by every branch of the United States military in both direct combat and security roles and in a wide variety of models, such as the Mossberg 500, Mossberg 590, Remington 870, Benelli M1, Benelli M4 (M1014 JCS), and the brand-new M26, a magazine-fed shotgun attachment that mounts like an M203 grenade launcher, all in 12-gauge. Troops that use shotguns have access to a variety of rounds including buckshot, slugs, lockbusters, and thundershot, to name a few. And for shits and grins, the Geneva Conventions deal with the treatment and conduct of combat personnel, prisoners of war, and non-combatants. ALSO, in accordance with the laws of war, all weaponry and ammunition are legal AS ISSUED TO PERSONNEL, providing of course that they are not modified after they are in troops' custody. ALSO, there IS NO LEGAL RESTRICTION barring any weapon from being fired at any target, provided there is a justification for lethal force, and provided it causes minimal collateral damage. Respectfully, a rifleman, 2/2 Fox, United States Marine Corps - I ain't digging on another serviceman, I made the assumption you have no idea what you're talking about, cuz most people on a forum like this DON'T.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

Okay, you proceed through your yard. Make a second perception check.
14.
Good that's enough, you hear a noise in the garage. Moving around, things being knocked over, cursing in urban slang.
I equip my katana and proceed forward carefully.
Entering the garage you see a thief. He is looking for items of value.
I say "get out of here, I am calling the constabulary."
The thief spins, he looks angry, like a wild dog when you get near its dinner. He charges, roll initiative.
17.
Okay you go first.
I hold my action, I'll attack if he closes.
Okay, he makes a charging grapple. He doesn't have improved grapple so make an attack of opportunity.
19 yes! Possible crit. Does 24 on the confirm hit?
Yes it does. Nicely done, you slice deep as he tries to grapple you. Roll damage.
Almost max damage. Shit.
His hand is off, hanging by a thread of what looks to be uncooked bacon. He seems shocked and confused. His face is a mask of offended pride.
I'd like to use that held action to attack now.
Sounds good to me
17, and nine damage.
He has taken about thirty damage, he is down for the count. The yard and garage are quiet, the peace if broken by the sound of your held breath being let out.
Awesome, this level Fighter 1/Student 1 character is doing really well.
Good rolling today, that was an easy encounter. This one had 29 burglaries, a level three rogue so that is plenty of xp for you.
Thanks

Here here MentalBakura. Why should anyone who so eagerly breaks the rules of decency and civilisation, not take massive damage in the course of their arrest or removal from a criminal spree?

 

[Starke]

Shotguns are NOT a violation of international law - the Germans tried pulling that shit back in the day, and it didn't fly. Shotguns are in common use by every branch of the United States military in both direct combat and security roles and in a wide variety of models, such as the Mossberg 500, Mossberg 590, Remington 870, Benelli M1, Benelli M4 (M1014 JCS), and the brand-new M26, a magazine-fed shotgun attachment that mounts like an M203 grenade launcher, all in 12-gauge. Troops that use shotguns have access to a variety of rounds including buckshot, slugs, lockbusters, and thundershot, to name a few. And for shits and grins, the Geneva Conventions deal with the treatment and conduct of combat personnel, prisoners of war, and non-combatants. ALSO, in accordance with the laws of war, all weaponry and ammunition are legal AS ISSUED TO PERSONNEL, providing of course that they are not modified after they are in troops' custody. ALSO, there IS NO LEGAL RESTRICTION barring any weapon from being fired at any target, provided there is a justification for lethal force, and provided it causes minimal collateral damage. Respectfully, a rifleman, 2/2 Fox, United States Marine Corps - I ain't digging on another serviceman, I made the assumption you have no idea what you're talking about, cuz most people on a forum like this DON'T.

A number of weapons are specifically banned under the Geneva convention, off the top of my head, I believe the list includes flamethrowers, white phosphorous munitions, and shotguns. You are correct that it also applies to the treatment of civilians inside a warzone and the treatment of PoWs. Having actually had to read the damn thing, I have a passing understanding of what's in there.

I'm well aware the US military issues shotguns frequently. I'm well aware, and as someone who is in this situation you should be as well, that they are a violation of international law. The US's relationship with the Geneva convention has been particularly dicey of late, but that's hardly a new trend. This country has always maintained a slightly aloof position regarding Geneva, and international law in general. For whatever reason the case of the Paquitte Habbana(SP?) comes to mind off hand, where the US Navy was basically found guilty of piracy by the district court that heard the case.

Regardless, you seem intent in wandering off into a confrontation over whatever you can find, so please, do not PM me your worthless bullshit again. I have genuinely tried to maintain a civil tone with you, but your random bullshit and arrogant attitude is really getting on my nerves. It also makes it exceedingly difficult for me to take you seriously. I don't know who you are, but I can say with near certainty you're not active duty, some random flunky who's stuck in his parent's basement reading copies of Jane's whatever, maybe, but, you don't write like any marine I've ever met.

 

[Buschmaki]

Shotguns have the over penetration problem as well, and aren't very effective in closed quarters if you're not very proficient.

Over penetration is a bad thing? I'm not normally all for guns in the home but if I'm pulling a lethal weapon on an intruder I wanna be sure that anyone I'm protecting is going to be safe.

I can always replace the carpet. I can't really replace a family member.

Also, 'not very proficient'? If you're 'not very proficient' with a longsword you're going to end up swinging it like a baseball bat. Slapping someone with the flat edge of the blade isn't nearly as effective as smacking someone with...say, a cricket bat.

ah yes but what if the shotgun penetrates the robber and your family members? Are you willing to accept if you kill a loved one?

 

[The Musician]

lol. this guy deserves my respect. good for him. now I'll go get a sword for myself, apparently I'll need one someday.

 

[Nouw]

Two words, ninja training, that is all.

3 Words Batman silent take-down.

 

[Nutcase]

A number of weapons are specifically banned under the Geneva convention, off the top of my head, I believe the list includes flamethrowers, white phosphorous munitions, and shotguns.

No, none of those are banned. There are restrictions on the use of incendiary weapons (flamethrowers, some uses of white phosphorus) but on the whole their use against military targets is permitted. Non-incendiary uses of white phosphorus are always permitted.

As for shotguns, there is absolutely no sign of them being banned under any treaty. They are used by Russia, Italy, France, Germany and the UK, just for example.

You are correct that it also applies to the treatment of civilians inside a warzone and the treatment of PoWs. Having actually had to read the damn thing, I have a passing understanding of what's in there.

Looks like you could use a re-read.

 

[Starke]

A number of weapons are specifically banned under the Geneva convention, off the top of my head, I believe the list includes flamethrowers, white phosphorous munitions, and shotguns.

No, none of those are banned. There are restrictions on the use of incendiary weapons (flamethrowers, some uses of white phosphorus) but on the whole their use against military targets is permitted. Non-incendiary uses of white phosphorus are always permitted.

As for shotguns, there is absolutely no sign of them being banned under any treaty. They are used by Russia, Italy, France, Germany and the UK, just for example.

You are correct that it also applies to the treatment of civilians inside a warzone and the treatment of PoWs. Having actually had to read the damn thing, I have a passing understanding of what's in there.

Looks like you could use a re-read.

Apparently. I should have specified incendiary use of phosphorous though. My only excuse is Griever has really gotten on my nerves.

 

[Woodsey]

Shotguns have the over penetration problem as well, and aren't very effective in closed quarters if you're not very proficient.

Over penetration is a bad thing? I'm not normally all for guns in the home but if I'm pulling a lethal weapon on an intruder I wanna be sure that anyone I'm protecting is going to be safe.

I can always replace the carpet. I can't really replace a family member.

Also, 'not very proficient'? If you're 'not very proficient' with a longsword you're going to end up swinging it like a baseball bat. Slapping someone with the flat edge of the blade isn't nearly as effective as smacking someone with...say, a cricket bat.

A cricket bat - now there's a weapon.

Anyone find it a tad odd that the guy lunged at him when he's got a bloody sword in his hand? Even in the dark you'd be able to see it.

 

[Scrythe]

Spoiler: Did he shout 'VAE VICTIS!' as he did it?

 

[Ashbax]

Bravo to the college kid, that scum got what he deserved.
I certainly hope the poor guy isn't charged with anything, it was self defense if the guy lunged at him.

That guy must have been pretty thick if he lunged at a guy that had a very long, sharp, and pointy sword. I think I would be more scared of that than a gun.

Yeah, and if he was pinning him against the wall and still managed to get stabbed in the chest and almost lose his hand, I presume that when he lunged the sword was sticking out. so...the attackers an idiot. Bravo to the college kid for taking that criminal down anime style.