Comcast, backed by Trump's adminstration is seeking to challenge a Civil Rights law from 1866.

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I mentioned this on my Boomer thread, but this is important enough to get its own thread as well.

Comcast Is Challenging a 153-Year-Old Law That Protects Against Racial Discrimination. We Can?t Let That Happen [https://fortune.com/2019/11/13/supreme-court-comcast-byron-allen/]

Today, the Supreme Court is hearing one of the most important civil rights cases to come before it this term. Comcast, which is number 32 on the Fortune 500, is poised to take an unprecedented step. Because of a dispute with a black businessman, the company has urged the Supreme Court to roll back the crucial protections of one of the nation's oldest civil rights laws.

So far this matter has been framed as a simple dispute between two media giants. Yet so much more is at stake. The outcome of this lawsuit could prove perilous for African Americans and other communities of color. Put simply, a win for Comcast could reshape modern laws around racial discrimination. As the nation's oldest and largest nonpartisan civil rights organization, we are prepared to stand strongly against Comcast to make sure this does not happen.

The dispute began when Byron Allen first sued Comcast for $20 billion back in 2015 for refusing to air channels from his company, Entertainment Studios Networks. The NAACP and other civil rights organizations were initially named as defendants in the case, but were dismissed because they had no role in Comcast's decision not to air the channels. After churning through the legal system for years, the case is finally being heard by the Supreme Court.

Allen alleges that Comcast's decision was tainted by racism, since the television company agreed to carry white-owned channels with similar audience sizes at the time it rejected Allen, who says his channel is 100% African American-owned. Comcast calls the lawsuit "meritless," pointing to what it calls an "outstanding record of supporting and fostering diverse programming from African American-owned channels."

The Supreme Court's decision will hinge on its interpretation of a bedrock civil rights statute, the Civil Rights Act of 1866. Immediately following the Civil War and the ratification of the 13th Amendment, Congress enacted the Civil Rights Act of 1866, a wide-ranging ban on race discrimination. Section 1981 is one of the statute's most critical provisions, ensuring that "[a]ll persons within the jurisdiction of the United States shall have the same right ... to make and enforce contracts ... as is enjoyed by white citizens." The goal of this section was to free the contracting process from the burdens of discrimination and ensure that newly freed slaves were guaranteed the same opportunity to contract as whites.

For more than a century, Section 1981 has been used as an important tool to combat race discrimination, particularly for employment discrimination claimants. Throughout the NAACP's history, standard-bearers of justice like Thurgood Marshall have harnessed the power of Section 1981 to fight various forms of discrimination. Yet now, in a situation that has become all too familiar during the Trump era, an upcoming Supreme Court decision has the potential to reject these lessons of history by rolling back the clock on basic civil rights-rendering Section 1981 a toothless tiger.

Comcast, supported by the Trump administration [https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2019/08/23/exclusive-comcast-dismantling-civil-rights-over-20-billion-entertainment-studios-lawsuit/#43f59c6c6d3e], is proposing a radical change to the legal interpretation of Section 1981. The company is arguing that the litigant in the underlying case, Byron Allen, must prove not only that his race was a significant motivating factor in Comcast's decision not to contract with him, but that it was the only factor. By this logic, Section 1981 allows some amount of racial discrimination in contracting. Moreover, if Comcast's argument holds, Allen would need to be able to parse all of Comcast's considerations in its decision-making process - a nearly impossible task.

This narrower discrimination standard has been applied by the Supreme Court to other civil rights statutes, but never has the court used it for a claim under Section 1981. Given the language and purposes of Section 1981, and the fact that it was passed in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, it stands on a different footing than more recent civil rights statutes to which the narrower causation standard has been applied.
This isn't hyperbole any more. It never was, but here it actually is. This isn't "There are good people on both sides". This is a company asking to push back one of the Bedrock walls on which Equal Rights has been built. This is undeniably detrimental to citizen's rights. And I literally can't find any say of it on CNN, Fox News, or MsNBC.

I get that the Impeachment is a really, really big deal. Completely understand that. But we're literally talking about pushing the law that makes all citizens in this nation equal aside because it's currently inconvenient for a giant company. How the hell isn't this just as news worthy?
 

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This to me sounds like if the guy wasn't trying to claim that Comcast was being racist against him when they were just making a colorblind business decision and wasn't invoking those particular anti-discrimination laws/organizations, they wouldn't have had any reason to try to negate this 1866 law because it'd not be relevant.

This is one of those cases of using something so much you lose it.

Now, of course comcast is just being greedy and completely amoral, but is still within their rights ultimately when 20 billion dollars is at stake, so I agree that we shouldn't do the "both sides" thing here.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes sums this up pretty much lol.
 
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Dreiko said:
This to me sounds like if the guy wasn't trying to claim that Comcast was being racist against him when they were just making a colorblind business decision and wasn't invoking those particular anti-discrimination laws/organizations, they wouldn't have had any reason to try to negate this 1866 law because it'd not be relevant.

This is one of those cases of using something so much you lose it.

Now, of course comcast is just being greedy and completely amoral, but is still within their rights ultimately when 20 billion dollars is at stake, so I agree that we shouldn't do the "both sides" thing here.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes sums this up pretty much lol.
To clarify, you feel that a company should have enough power to change the Laws of this nation which can ripple out to a third of a population out of hand? Just because they don't like one lawsuit?
 

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ObsidianJones said:
Dreiko said:
This to me sounds like if the guy wasn't trying to claim that Comcast was being racist against him when they were just making a colorblind business decision and wasn't invoking those particular anti-discrimination laws/organizations, they wouldn't have had any reason to try to negate this 1866 law because it'd not be relevant.

This is one of those cases of using something so much you lose it.

Now, of course comcast is just being greedy and completely amoral, but is still within their rights ultimately when 20 billion dollars is at stake, so I agree that we shouldn't do the "both sides" thing here.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes sums this up pretty much lol.
To clarify, you feel that a company should have enough power to change the Laws of this nation which can ripple out to a third of a population out of hand? Just because they don't like one lawsuit?
Of course not.

Doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that they do and this is about what I'd expect out of them so this isn't surprising or disappointing in any way. I mean, it's Comcast. Their marketing slogan is the same one centrists tell voters; "you have nowhere else to go!".
 

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The thing they are worried about is dumb, and Comcast is right about at least that.

Let me tell you, I'm no fan of Comcast. I learned personally that nobody at Comcast can recognize the error code for "you never plugged the cable box in, moron". (New apartment, box plugged into wall, but the wall fixture was disconnected from the cables running up the wall). Comcast sucks.

But the people writing these articles worrying Civil Rights are going to come crumbling down are seriously not understanding the situation. Comcast is pushing to have the claim stand a "but-for" test. Asking the question: "but for the race of the people involved, would Comcast have contracted with this person." For reasons I don't understand, these articles are acting as though Comcast is making them prove there's no other reason they didn't contract with them, and that's not implied by "but-for" at all. There can be 1000 reasons for someone to do something and racism could still be a necessary part. If 5 people each chip in $10 to buy a $50 game, then but for each of them contributing, it wouldn't have been bought. 5 different causes, any one still passes the test. All it takes for Byron Allen to pass that barrier is showing an instance of Comcast doing business in a similar way with a white person, a standard he's said he's confident he can meet anyway. But the 9th Circuit, being insane sometimes, decided "they look racist and didn't do business with a black man" should be enough to get a day in court without consideration as to whether they'd have done business with him if they weren't racist. By that standard, the following exchange could happen:

"I tried to sell that man a hamburger for $47 million, and he called me the n-word."
"Well, he wouldn't do business with you and then disparaged your race, must be contract discrimination. Time to sue for $47 million."

I promise, there is literally nothing that could come out of this Supreme Court decision that would weaken civil rights laws. Comcast is not the reason this law is going to the Supreme Court, it's the plaintiff and one court of appeals interpreting the law in a way it has never, ever been interpreted. They are literally trying to make "correlation = causation" a default principle of law unless a statute says otherwise specifically. Nobody should want that.