Copyright Lawsuits Come to Canada

Andy Chalk

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Copyright Lawsuits Come to Canada


Voltage Pictures, the company that threatened to sue "tens of thousands" of people in the U.S. who illegally downloaded The Hurt Locker, has brought its act to Canada.

Here in Canada, it's kind of a national hobby to point out all the ways in which we're different (better) than our pals to the south. But it looks like we may soon have to scratch one of them - the absence of ultra-punitive copyright infringement litigation - off the list.

Ontario-based ISP TekSavvy recently informed its customers that Voltage Pictures LLC has requested information regarding possible copyright infringement claims against them. An action filed last week revealed that Voltage had hired forensic investigation firm Canipre Inc. to "investigate whether Voltage's cinematographic works were being copied and distributed in Canada over peer to peer networks using the BitTorrent Protocol," and obviously the investigation found that those works were being shared. Now Voltage is demanding customer information related to approximately 2000 IP addresses that were discovered to be sharing nine Voltage films between September 1 and October 31.

TekSavvy, to its credit, has refused to hand over the information without a court order, but a court order could be coming shortly, as Voltage is headed to a Toronto court on December 17 to get one. Assuming it's granted, Voltage will begin its legal action in earnest, as part of which it seeks statutory damages or actual damages to be proven at trial, plus all profits earned by the illegal firesharing, damages for "conversion, unlawful interference with economic relations and unjust enrichment," special damages and, on top of all that, "aggravated, exemplary and punitive damages in the amount of $10,000." That's per defendant, by the way.

Maclean's blogger Jesse Brown noted that in a 2011 interview [http://searchengine.tvo.org/blog/search-engine-blog/audio-podcast-106-heritage-minister-james-moore-copyright-reform] on the question of updated copyright laws in Canada, Heritage Minister James Moore dismissed concerns about U.S.-style copyright lawsuits coming to Canada. "I don't agree... It's not an industry's business to go out there and sue their customers," he said at the time. "The days of Metallica going after filesharing sites are over ten years old. There's a new mentality."

Or perhaps there isn't.

Sources: TorrentFreak [http://teksavvy.com/en/why-teksavvy/in-the-news/teksavvy-customer-notices/legal-documents-for-request-for-customer-information]



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Canadamus Prime

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You know, I think all copyright lawyers should be rounded up and dumped into a volcano, and while were at it we should dump Voltage Pictures in there with 'em.
 

Entitled

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I have no problem with these copyright apologists, as long as they honestly admit that they are just enforcing an arbitarily strict and outdated policy of granting monopolies to publishers because it benefits them, instead of dressing it up as some noble activity as "fighting against theft", or protecting intellectual "property".
 

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This plan is likely to flop for Voltage. They are asking for ten grand for a movie that was not even that good, (From what i know). How much is the movie like 20 bucks? 10,000 $ for a twenty buck movie, its almost as if they are crying out they are greedy.

Also I don't think the government or the jurry want to sit through this kind of crap anyways. The goverment may block their request just form the absurdity of it all.
 

Khanht Cope

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Could we come to see the establishment of a new business model made up of one part selling your product, and one part looking for people to sue?
 

vxicepickxv

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Khanht Cope said:
Could we come to see the establishment of a new business model made up of one part selling your product, and one part looking for people to sue?
You mean a step up from copyright trolling? I'd be okay with that.
 

mattttherman3

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You know, they are probably only suing people because their movies suck and can't make any money even without piracy, I have not seen figures but that's what I fantasize. Anyway, I've never even seen their movies so.
 

-Dragmire-

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Let's say this works and a judge grants them access to the info, what kind of precedent would that cause?

I imagine a great rumbling from around the world as the world's vast quantity of copyright lawyers descend on Canada.


I'd bet Quebec would be fine though.
 
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What movie was The Hurt Locker, again? I vaguely remember the name, but can't remember what the movie was about.
 

dagens24

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I'm with Teksavvy so I'm stressing about this (even though I haven't downloaded any of Voltage's movies illegally). Maybe I'll sue them for the mental anguish this is causing me.
 

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Another week another copyright lawsuit.

canadamus_prime said:
You know, I think all copyright lawyers should be rounded up and dumped into a volcano, and while were at it we should dump Voltage Pictures in there with 'em.
No, no, thats not how you execute copyright lawyers. Volcanoes are for rabid fanboys.

You round them up and lock them in a industrial scale refrigerator set at -5C and leave one knife between them.

And make sure they have a steady supply of water.
 

Falterfire

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Really? $10,000 dollar PER COPY of the movie? Does it contain the secret to immortality? When they go after the head distributor and claim massive monies there, that almost makes sense. But each person who torrents it is responsible for $10,000 worth of losses? Somehow I find that doubtful. All told that means the company believes they have lost $20,000,000 to piracy in the Great White North alone.
 

ResonanceSD

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Next headline "Farcical court case gets thrown out so hard that Voltage starts orbiting Earth".

I mean honestly, want to make a point? Fine. Want to be ridiculed? Do exactly what you're doing.
 

Jodan

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hum
speaking as a canadian this could set precedents here and should be watched closeley.
also speaking as a canadian I think im going to download the hurt locker right now out of spite
 

Waaghpowa

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Funny how the first place I saw this was on the CBC during that show with that twit Kevin O'Leary. That guy ticks me off, he always comes off as a greedy arrogant know it all. "Tekk Savvy should tell their customers to not download movies illegally", fucking brilliant he is.

I have a feeling this wont fly. It would break privacy laws and seriously hurt Tekk savvys business. Would you want to continue your service with a company that so easily folds to big companies and gives away customer info? Not me.
 

RedDeadFred

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Jodan said:
hum
speaking as a canadian this could set precedents here and should be watched closeley.
also speaking as a canadian I think im going to download the hurt locker right now out of spite
I would edit out that end part before a mod sees it...

OT: While this doesn't affect me, it's still a pretty ridiculous overreaction. The Hurt Locker only made about 50 million dollars. 10000 per 2000 people is 20 million right there. They have incredibly infalted projections for how this movie is going to do I think...
 

PedroSteckecilo

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We just can't get any of the GOOD stuff from The US can we... no American Style Netflix, no Amazon Music, no Pandora Radio... just anti-consumer copyright lawsuits...
 

Canadamus Prime

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gigastar said:
Another week another copyright lawsuit.

canadamus_prime said:
You know, I think all copyright lawyers should be rounded up and dumped into a volcano, and while were at it we should dump Voltage Pictures in there with 'em.
No, no, thats not how you execute copyright lawyers. Volcanoes are for rabid fanboys.

You round them up and lock them in a industrial scale refrigerator set at -5C and leave one knife between them.

And make sure they have a steady supply of water.
Oh sorry, my mistake. ...wait what good would that do? Layers don't freeze.
 

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Timedraven 117 said:
This plan is likely to flop for Voltage. They are asking for ten grand for a movie that was not even that good, (From what i know). How much is the movie like 20 bucks? 10,000 $ for a twenty buck movie, its almost as if they are crying out they are greedy.

Also I don't think the government or the jurry want to sit through this kind of crap anyways. The goverment may block their request just form the absurdity of it all.
Falterfire said:
Really? $10,000 dollar PER COPY of the movie? Does it contain the secret to immortality? When they go after the head distributor and claim massive monies there, that almost makes sense. But each person who torrents it is responsible for $10,000 worth of losses? Somehow I find that doubtful. All told that means the company believes they have lost $20,000,000 to piracy in the Great White North alone.
um both of you are a little off the mark. that $10,000 is only for the Punitive damages, and when it comes to copyright law that is still a little low, so it is $10,000/defendent + everything else, and the cost to purchase new will be thrown on top as well (actual damages), and then usually the words statutory damages carry a tune of a few thousand on there own. so actually I would expect it to be more like 20-30 thousand per downloaded item, and a lot more (sometimes to the tune of X10) if they can be found to have distributed it as well (so if they were pure leeches they will actually be charged for less.