Could Star Trek Renegades potentially help bring back Stargate?

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Now for those who don't know, Star Trek Renegades is a 90 minute pilot set to air in early 2015. It's set 10 years after Voyager ended and is hoped to be the launching off point of a new Trek series set in the prime timeline (the one where the pre-Abrams movies and all the shows are set in, though I hold to the theory that Enterprise was only set in the Abrams timeline and not the prime one). Now you're probably wondering why I think it, if it succeeds, could bring about a new Stargate series? Well, my line of thinking is renewed interest. Trek and Gate have a significant overlap in viewership (not total, but it's there) and are both sci-fi series that are about exploring space, even if in different ways. With a reboot of Stargate in pre-production, MGM could, if Renegades succeeds, be convinced to do what Paramount is doing with Trek: blockbusters no one cares about set in a new timeline while the one people watched on TV being continued with new shows at the same time. I mean sure I'd rather the blockbusters be set in the same timeline as the shows, but hey a continuation is a continuation.

So is there a flaw in my reasoning, or is there hope that gate will be back on the air some day?
 

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Could be just wishful thinking.

Then again, there are many times where ANYTHING thats successful enough will spark a, "Hey everyone, jump on the band wagon and come with us. There's money to be made!"

But yeah, it just depends. Too early to tell I think.
 

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new star trek series!? oh! oh! yes!

any news as to what its like?

my only issue is "renegades" makes me wonder if they will try and be "cool" you know, dark gritty, swearing...my issue there is Star Trek is NOT "cool" you know? it is what it is and trying to make it "sexy/gritty" is not star trek
 

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Vault101 said:
new star trek series!? oh! oh! yes!

any news as to what its like?

my only issue is "renegades" makes me wonder if they will try and be "cool" you know, dark gritty, swearing...my issue there is Star Trek is NOT "cool" you know? it is what it is and trying to make it "sexy/gritty" is not star trek
Well the potential series would be based on the pilot, which is being directed by Tim Russ (who is also reprising his role in it). It seems that the premise is finding out what unnatural phenomena is causing dilithium deposits to disappear and worlds to be isolated in space from spacefolding, with the ship doing it being an off the books type since the issue spreads far beyond the federation's boarder. Since Tuvok is mentioned as being head of Section 31, seems to be a mix of exploration and mystery.

Edit: the ship (U.S.S. Archer) looks pretty nice, though the name I don't like given it's named after a man who wasn't a particularly good character.

 

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Zontar said:
Well the potential series would be based on the pilot, which is being directed by Tim Russ (who is also reprising his role in it). It seems that the premise is finding out what unnatural phenomena is causing dilithium deposits to disappear and worlds to be isolated in space from spacefolding, with the ship doing it being an off the books type since the issue spreads far beyond the federation's boarder. Since Tuvok is mentioned as being head of Section 31, seems to be a mix of exploration and mystery.

Edit: the ship (U.S.S. Archer) looks pretty nice, though the name I don't like given it's named after a man who wasn't a particularly good character.
hmm cool

I like the idea of them keeping it on the "down low" since by the sounds of it they are out of their "jusistriction"

and I know Rodenberry's insistence that the Federation could do no wrong was always a pain in the ass

I'm just worried they will make it overly "dark" and "gritty" and "sexy" to try and appeal to modern tastes, like I'm all for a bit of moral ambiguity but going all the way and making it all "governemtns corrupt and shitty/too cool for school black ops team" I feel wouldn't be very trek like
 

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Well only time will tell, but given the cast, both acting and production staff, I think it's safe to assume that it won't go too far.
 

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Zontar said:
Edit: the ship (U.S.S. Archer) looks pretty nice, though the name I don't like given it's named after a man who wasn't a particularly good character.

To be fair, I'm fairly certain that Archer, and at least part of his role in the Federation's forming, was canon before Enterprise.

As for Stargate... I hope not. Stargate Command (Or Homeworld Command), doesn't have the the scope available to just keep on crapping out completely new series like Star Trek (See the horror of Stargate Universe), and if the new movies are any indication, another show would likely either feed off of the movies, or be a third reboot.

Stargate SG-1 is, hands down, my favorite Sci-Fi series, but I think too much of it relied on the character in it. Without them, it kind of sags a bit. So, personally, I'd rather it just stay dead.

Also, the people in charge of Stargate now hated the TV shows with all their heart and soul. So... things may be about to get weird in the new Stargate.
 

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Archer's name may have been cannon, but his actions and the event of the series where neither canon nor even mentioned before Enterprise. And to be honest I like the theory that Enterprise didn't happen in the prime timeline, makes the whole thing better by disassociation.

As for Stargate, give it some new blood for the writing and it could work pretty fine. You're right about it being reliant on the characters, but if Atlantis showed us anything it's that the characters don't need to be the one from the original SG1 team, just good, well written characters who have the right level of self-awareness and snark. I mean hell, say what you will about SGU, season 2 of that actually wasn't that bad. If it had the chance for a third season it probably would have ended up in the same situation SG1 was in for seasons 1-3 (only with it being the quality which improved instead of the weirdness going down).

I do think you're right about it getting weird in the new movie is the bastard has his way. Though I wonder how he got the job in the first place. Why couldn't he be busy making a squeal to independence day? You know, a movie people actually want instead of having an audience that actively hates him? At least Abrams had some fans who both liked his work and Trek going for him. Emrich? Pretty much no SG fans want him to touch this.
 

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Zontar said:
AccursedTheory said:
Archer's name may have been cannon, but his actions and the event of the series where neither canon nor even mentioned before Enterprise. And to be honest I like the theory that Enterprise didn't happen in the prime timeline, makes the whole thing better by disassociation.

As for Stargate, give it some new blood for the writing and it could work pretty fine. You're right about it being reliant on the characters, but if Atlantis showed us anything it's that the characters don't need to be the one from the original SG1 team, just good, well written characters who have the right level of self-awareness and snark. I mean hell, say what you will about SGU, season 2 of that actually wasn't that bad. If it had the chance for a third season it probably would have ended up in the same situation SG1 was in for seasons 1-3 (only with it being the quality which improved instead of the weirdness going down).

I do think you're right about it getting weird in the new movie is the bastard has his way. Though I wonder how he got the job in the first place. Why couldn't he be busy making a squeal to independence day? You know, a movie people actually want instead of having an audience that actively hates him? At least Abrams had some fans who both liked his work and Trek going for him. Emrich? Pretty much no SG fans want him to touch this.
Oh man, you could make a whole other thread about that.

But, to keep it short - I'm pretty sure their the only guys that actually want to make it. I have this feeling that Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin took advantage of the success of the Star Trek reboot and the Star Wars continuation to pitch the idea of a Stargate reboot to cash in on the new Sci-Fi craze, and they were given it because no one else is really interested in doing it. Because, as much as I love it, Stargate is a second tier Sci-Fi series, and its fan base is not nearly expansive enough to ensure automatic success like a ST and SW movie can.

Which is a shame, because a Stargate SG-1 type movie is perfect right now. The big 3 Sci-Fi franchises, Star Trek, Star Wars, and Doctor Who, all have a bad to terrible relationships with military type action. Star Trek, even in the gritty DS9 series, had a poor view of active militaries; Doctor Who advocates solutions based on wonkiness when it comes to combating evil, and Star Wars is about future-past hippies fighting the Big Man. SG-1 is the most popular pro-military Sci-Fi series you can find, despite the fact that it frequently dealt with the more negative aspects of military action, and the US's use of force policy.

And today, the military is a hot media item. Star Trek has, much to the ire of many fans, shifted more towards complete action and military hooah (The next movie will undoubtedly be about the Klingon War, regardless of what the ending of Into Darkness seemed to indicate). The Transformer series was heavily pro-military, as is the Marvel series (War Machine, SHIELD/Avengers, Captain America, The Nova Corp), and DC (The military, while featuring a small role in Man of Steel, was definitely treated well, and was front and center). I think a Sci-Fi movie featuring America's finest (And, if they actually took it off from the TV show, Russia, China, and Canada's finest as well) would go over extremely well.

But alas, instead we get Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin's version, which was camp beyond reason, completely silly, and if they stick with their system of only two Stargates (Which, if they don't, would be complete hypocrisy), it will make for a pretty stupid three part movie. Don't get me wrong - I liked the original Stargate movie, and I love James Spader, but I am a fanatic fan of SG-1.

Personally, I wont be seeing the new movies. If the public can kill something as magical as Dredd, then we can sure as shit get Emmerich out of the big budget Sci-Fi industry.

Unless, of course, they bring back Spader. Then I'll have to watch it.



Fun Note - James Spader is Ultron. I did not know this until I was looking up James Spader after watching the Black List on Netflix. I am ashamed I didn't realize this at first.

 

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AccursedTheory said:
Also, the people in charge of Stargate now hated the TV shows with all their heart and soul. So... things may be about to get weird in the new Stargate.
The people in charge of the later TV series seemed to hate it, too. While bringing it back to the creators of a rather mediocre movie who were pissed about the direction of the show, I'm not sure if it's any worse than the pot shots they started taking at the old episodes or the new directions and what not.

I'm kind of hoping the new movies bomb, but that might kill the franchise outright, so....

Stargate SG-1 is, hands down, my favorite Sci-Fi series, but I think too much of it relied on the character in it. Without them, it kind of sags a bit. So, personally, I'd rather it just stay dead.
I think it's workable. It worked without RDA in the primary cast, and they managed to get a decent chemistry working with Ben Browder and Claudia Black in the main cast. And then they managed to have a decent main cast for Atlantis, the show's other issues aside.

Fun Note - James Spader is Ultron. I did not know this until I was looking up James Spader after watching the Black List on Netflix. I am ashamed I didn't realize this at first.
That's why he will be stopped by Denny Crane.


And possibly Odo, if he ever starts shapeshifting again.
 

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I don't know if that would make them hypocrites, I think I read somewhere there where two other places the gate could connect to so that they would go there for the next sequels.

Still, it's quite upsetting that they where the biggest names willing to do it. I mean there was seriously no other 3rd tier director who wanted to do it? None? With how many directors are lining up to beg Paramount to do Trek or Disney to work on wars, I'm surprised no one thought about the fact that Abrams got both by making lower tier sci-fi, then working on Trek, then working on Wars. Oh well, we can always hope that this one ends up like the squeal to Independence Day or Emrich's adaptation of The Foundation Trilogy: shelved forever even if still officially in pre-production.

On a sidenote: I'm well aware of Spade's role. My avatar is what it is for a reason after all. He works so perfectly for that role, the trailer gives me the chills when he speaks.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Fun Note - James Spader is Ultron. I did not know this until I was looking up James Spader after watching the Black List on Netflix. I am ashamed I didn't realize this at first.
That's why he will be stopped by Denny Crane.


And possibly Odo, if he ever starts shapeshifting again.
Holy crap, someone else who watched Boston Legal, one of my top 3 favorite shows of all time. I thought it was just me and my Mom.

Though I don't think it will be Denny who will stop Ultron in an epic fight over Boston.



Zontar said:
On a sidenote: I'm well aware of Spade's role. My avatar is what it is for a reason after all. He works so perfectly for that role, the trailer gives me the chills when he speaks.
I figured. I just like talking about Spader. It's always a joy to see him in something. His voice over for Ultron seems completely spot on so far, and on an unrelated note, I think Lincoln would have been completely unwatchable without him.
 

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I don't think we're going to see a Stargate revival. I really want one though, because Atlantis didn't end, and now I just don't even care about the series, as good as it was. If the story doesn't complete, I may as well have not watched it.
 
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God, I hope ST Renegades is good. I am optimistic about Tim Russ being in charge, and it seems to be in the hands of people who are actually fans of Trek, unlike a certain other jerk in charge of the movie franchise. But then I'm worried about it being too "Edgy!" and "Gritty!" and "Awesome!!!" They may feel like they need to take it in that direction, considering that for the last 3 years of Voyager and basically all of Enterprise, Trek was declining in viewership. They may try for an action hook to draw in the perceived younger audience who aren't as familiar with Star Trek.

Call me a bad sci-fi fan but I never watched Stargate. I know it was popular though, and I would certainly think that the rising acceptance of science fiction in pop media could pave the way for its return, as well as new versions of all kinds of sci-fi properties.
 

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Looking at the web-sight I'm slightly worried as well. Although Tim Russ is in charge so hears hoping things don't go down the "dark and gritty" route.

Edit. And here's hoping it plays to Star Trek's strengths. I'm sorry but the later seasons of DS9 got boring as fuck as that god damn "war" went on.
 

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*has a look at a couple of renegades clips*

wtf have they done to star trek :-| i recognise characters and species but nothing else. its weird the ship is clearly federation... nova class by the looks of it but the interior look gritty and edgy make over

it doesnt feel like star trek
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Holy crap, someone else who watched Boston Legal, one of my top 3 favorite shows of all time. I thought it was just me and my Mom.

Though I don't think it will be Denny who will stop Ultron in an epic fight over Boston.
I always figured Betty would be on Ultron's side.

And yes, I looooove Boston Legal.
 

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Ehh, can't say I'm too excited judging by the trailer. It looks too much like recent Trek films, where they sacrificed the elements that made the franchise distinctive (exploration, optimism, complex moral and ethical debates, extensive character development) in favor of action and spectacle. If I want a bunch of pew-pew in space, I'll watch Star Wars.

"Can anyone remember when we used to be explorers?" - Jean-Luc Picard[footnote]Yes, I realize this quote is from Star Trek: Insurrection, but the quote encapsulates my thoughts on the franchise as a whole.[/footnote]
 

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Zontar said:
Uhhh from a graphical perspective they could've done better than that. Scale seems off and somebody thought it should be lighting like a christmas tree. Theoretically the different lights denote different external services of the ship but they are directly symetrical

oh well, i'm hyped anyway.
 

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Duster said:
Zontar said:
Uhhh from a graphical perspective they could've done better than that. Scale seems off and somebody thought it should be lighting like a christmas tree. Theoretically the different lights denote different external services of the ship but they are directly symetrical

oh well, i'm hyped anyway.
The lights are different so other ships can see the orientation of the ship from a distance.