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80Maxwell08

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Ok I said it once but I'll say it again. I'm sorry for putting up another one of these but for the life of me I can't figure out how to improve myself since I have no idea what went wrong. First off I've asked 5 girls out in my life and none of them worked. There are also 2 that never got to an attempt but one of them isn't important. Also this will be very long so if you don't like another one of these then it won't get any easier so might want to just leave now. Sorry. One more thing I only bring up looks because they differed for me in preference but they still mean almost nothing compared to personality. With that said incoming paragraph bombing run.

The first girl I met roughly 3 years ago in group therapy. We were both there due to some socializing problems (being shy and such). Physically she wasn't anything breathtaking but she was still cute but her personality was. I realized over the next few months I was steadily falling for her and when one of our friends was having a Christmas Break party (not a Christmas party this was for the week break after the 1st semester ended in December) and I confessed my feelings for her there. While she didn't shut me down there because we were in group therapy and dating was generally discouraged within the group (which didn't help that 2 others started dating there, broke up after 2 weeks, and spent the next few months having some SERIOUS fights with the girl almost punching the guy at one point) so if anything was going to happen it would have to wait until group ended. The problem with this was she lives very far from me, group was the only time we saw each other, and I had no way of going to her aside from getting my parents to take me. So when group ended I said I regretted not being able not to go out with her where she then asked me if I wanted to ask her now. I had to talk to the therapists though so I,excuse my language, pussied out and walked away cowardly. I hate myself to this day for that but that's not the point. A few months later I called her up (I'm a MASSIVE coward by the way when it comes to phones and women alike) and apologized for taking so long to call her and asked her if she would still take a chance and go out with me where she told me this wasn't ready. Where once again being a coward took me 2-3 more months to call again but this time I figured I would just talk with her for a while where I found out she was already going out with someone. She then later told me that she knew that guy for a long time and that there was no chance of us ever working. However to this day we are still friends (if you want to use that term. All of my friends are generally distant from me) and I acknowledge this as my failure for being such a massive coward.

The second one (this one is somewhat shorter) I met in 11th grade (the next year after meeting the last one) and she had both great looks and a very enjoyable personality. I asked her out about 6 months after meeting her where she had to ask her dad and her day said she was too young (I was 16 she was 14 with our birthdays being within the same month). This I accept as a very valid reason and didn't argue it anymore. The next year however I tried to be her friend still but we had no classes so we rarely saw each other and while brief we still were good friends to each other and didn't shirk away from conversation with each other but it was nowhere near as much as it used to be

The third girl I knew from 11th grade but didn't really talk to her then. However we sat right next to each other in Spanish 2 in 12th grade so we had more chances to talk (which didn't happen since she was nearly always talking with her friends but we still weren't anywhere near hostile to each other) I did get to know her a good amount but remembering my mistake with girl 1 I think I rushed it and after a few months into the school year I asked her out to be immediately rejected with her saying we were just friends. Again another valid response I hold no grudge over but I wondered what I would have to do to escape that friend boundary to be something more.

Early 2011 (still my 12th grade) I realized I still had feelings for girl 2 and wonder if she would give me a chance or not. So I got a plan to give her a love note on Valentine's day (which came from cowardice but kinda lost all point since I would still have to give it to her) so after 3 drafts I overheard a conversation with her and her friends where she said she had a boyfriend now which was probably the most painful thing that's ever happened to me (not saying I deserve sympathy over everyone else just saying to me). So I tore up the drafts and gave away the teddy bear to someone random who I thought wasn't getting anything (which I found out otherwise). I realized my friendship with her was dying long before this and at that point was no longer there so I abandoned that and spent the next 2 months trying as hard as possible to force my heart to agree with my head and move on.

Girl 4 I met in 12th grade and thought was surefire and basically waiting for me to say something. She acted like a shy schoolgirl when talking to her crush every time we spoke and she always sounded happy to talk to me. So we talked a lot in that class when we got the chance and after a certain point late in the year (late in the 2nd to last month of the school year) I asked her if she had a boyfriend or not and she told me no. I asked this on a Friday and next Wednesday I got the courage to confess and ask her out and she told me she had a boyfriend and didn't remember telling me otherwise. This was probably the least painful thing I've had in my "relationship" history since I was just confused and got over within a day.

Now this one I never got to ask out but I think the story is still important. Also for the purpose of this story there will be 3 characters girl A, girl B, and Boyfriend. First off I had a good crush on Girl A. Girl A is best friends with girl B and Boyfriend is girl B's (guess what) boyfriend. Now I'm good friends with Boyfriend and one day he comes up to me saying we need to talk about a crush he heard I had on a certain girl...A. He said he heard it from girl B but I have no idea where she heard it from (unimportant I know but it still bothers the hell out of me) and that he was going to try to set us up. He was part of the next school assembly and his part was he was going to take a girl and guy and teach them how to dance. Guess who were the lucky guy and girl...A(I'll stop that now). So after making me panic my ass off for a week and a half apparently girl A figured out I had a crush on her and told one of my friends (who she was good friends with too) that she wasn't single. Normally I would just shrug and then move on but the problem here is roughly 2 weeks before this we were talking about relationships and she said she's never had one, wasn't in one, and had no interest in one. This led me to believe she lied to me (also didn't take the 3rd party rejection well either) which was also reinforced by Boyfriend also not believing her one bit.

Girl 5 (I'm not putting names up to respect their privacy and in case any of them are on this site) I also met in 12th grade and while not surefire I thought I had a good chance. I met her from being the teacher's aid for her PE class. I was good friends with her for the time I knew her. At that point school was almost over and on the last day (awful time to ask someone out I know) At the beginning of the class period I confessed to her (I did have feelings for her but she talked a lot about her crushes too so I usually pushed my feelings aside thinking she already was thinking of someone else) and asked her if she would go out with me. She said she needed to think about it and for a time frame this was mid May and she's technically still not done thinking.

My question to you insanely devoted who read this (off topic might want to find something else to do with your time unless you really like helping people in that case much obliged kind sir) is this. How can I learn from these? I am confused beyond confused with this and have no idea what I did wrong or what I could improve with. I would love to say "well this isn't working I'll just stay single and not think of it anymore" but I can't. My thoughts and emotions don't like each other and usually will be entirely disconnected from each other. So what can I learn from these instances? How can I convince my mind and heart to sit down with each other and come up with a common ground? If you can honestly help me and actually read all of this to do so then I thank you very much. Once again seriously you read ALL of this? Do you really have nothing else to do? Well thanks for using your massive spare time to read this then.
 

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Getting your head and heart to agree tends to take time. Don't beat yourself up for feeling upset about these experiences; we all need time to recover after upset.

What can you learn from these... well, it doesn't really sound like you've done anything wrong. The girls who were in relationships should have been dedicated to their boyfriends, so rejecting you had nothing to do with who you are, ergo there's little you can learn from them. It's unfortunate, but try to be positive! However, you can learn from the girl who appears to have changed her mind about having a boyfriend... And the lesson is: teenage girls are fickle.

Remember your age when you met girl 1 and 2. I know you'll hate being told this, but 16 is quite young, and 14 (the age of one of the girls) is extremely young. I can see why this girl's father decided she wasn't ready. You can be friends at this age, but maintaining a real realtionship is difficult; I'm not even sure it's possible with hindsight from my relationship at 16. The fact she later had a boyfriend is unfortunate...perhaps her father thought 15 was old enough? :/

When it comes to girl 5, I'm guessing that she's done the thinking but doesn't want to hurt you by rejecting you directly. It's frustrating, but remember that relationships are about compatibility; perhaps the girl feels you wouldn't work, but doesn't want to crush your confidence because you WILL suit someone else. It's just rather difficult finding someone you're compatible with. Use this experience to remind yourself that not all couples ARE compatible and, believe me, it's worse being in a relationship you're not happy with than it is being single.
 

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So I'm drunk off my ass but I'll see if I can respond in a meaningful way. The lesson you can take away from these experiences is: just because you like a girl doesn't mean they like you back. Also: no one knows what the hell they want in high school. Rejection sucks, no guy will argue with you there, but you seem like a nice guy. Have some faith in yourself. If you keep putting yourself out there you will get a girl. Do you plan on going to college? There are more women than men attending college now days so the playing field is leveled in your favor. Keeping putting yourself out there and a girl will notice how great a guy you are and love you for it, and trust me the wait is worth it. The right girl who fully accepts who you are and loves you for it is one of the best things in the world.
 

Monkfish Acc.

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HOPY SHIT that OP is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE
Also there is an advice forum. But I guess more people will see it in off-topic so whatever.

Anyway.

First off, how fucking old are you. Seventeen? Not having had a girlfriend is not a big fucking deal, you are still technically a fucking minor. When the hell is twelfth grade anyway. Fucking American school system.

Second, Christ's obnoxious golden fucking cockring, are you ever overemotional. Let's go back up to the top, here, "falling for" the girl you met in group therapy. You weren't falling for her. It was a crush. It is always a fucking crush, don't you dare think otherwise. Love is a terrible thing, it is admitting you have an addiction to someone. Addiction is bad. You have to wait until you have exhausted all other options before you start throwing that shitty fucking word around, it is a last resort and you should use it with shame.
Now let's go a little further down. How hearing some girl had a boyfriend hurt so bad omg. No. You were giving her a Valentines letter just like out of one of the Japanese animes. This is not an appropriate emotional response. I mean, sure, you could feel SORT OF disappointed, but then you shrug it off and move the fuck on.
You use the word painful a few times, actually. Every time it invaded my eyes I wanted to shit pure rage and vomit up my hate. It has reached the point where "painful" is like "depressed", every fucking idiot teen and their dog bandies it about because they are morons and love attention. Also I guess negative emotions are cool now or something, whatever. Either way, fucking quit it.

Anyway. Here is the thing about asking people out. Nine times out of ten you will be rejected. So swallow your melodrama and just keep fucking trying. Stop putting your all into it, it's not a big fucking deal.
Alternatively, stop putting anything into it. It'll happen when it is meant to happen. Your moon-eyed bullshit is probably putting people off, you're surpressing your entire personality with your ferocious hunt for something to sleep next to. Stop thinking about it and not only will you be much happier, but girls will actually begin to notice you because you will not be such a fucking sadsack.

Now, I know, you say you want to do this but your head and you emotions blah blah blah here comes how fucking overemotional you are again. Control your fucking emotions. It is not that hard. In fact, you don't even need to do that much, just keep telling yourself you don't need this stuff (because, you know, you fucking don't) and you'll just naturally slip into a state that is less desperate and stupid.

I realise this whole post is basically just me yelling at you but try to get past that and take in the important stuff. You are making yourself miserable. It is not the rejections or your romantic situation, it is you. You are the one putting all this significance on it. Realise romance isn't everything and get the fuck past it, for your sake.
 

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I do feel sympathy for you, because you remind me of me. Though I was far too shy, I had crushes and was always far to awkward when I tried to do anything about them. I think you may be trying to hard to find a valuable lesson from those events. There just isn't a one-size fits all recipe for capturing a woman's heart.

Generally, I've found 'crushes' to be too distracting. First, it creates some crazy inherent demand that you "do something" to "get through to her". I can only guess what that does to a boy's body language, but I'll bet it isn't pretty. I'll even bet that if it does strongly affect your demeanor that the women can sense it - and not in a good way. Are you tense in these moments of truth when you ask them out?

[The other thing is that crushes are largely hormonal - I guess. So, how do I know that I am really interested in someone, and that its not just an infatuation with her physical form? My strategy has usually been to wait for the 'crush' to pass. But the waiting also bites me in the ass because it often takes too long to clear my head. Strangely, I don't seem to have crushes anymore (probably cause I'm 42), but the nice thing about it is I can sit down at a table full of wimens and just be my affable self. That never happened back when I was having crushes on people.]

All that I could possibly recommend is that you be patient. Improving your self-esteem (if only in small ways) will help. Self-esteem isn't necessarily a pre-requisite, but it is quite useful. Being comfortable with yourself becomes self-evident in your body language, which should in turn make others more receptive to your ideas. Above all calm down, and do not feel pressured to ask someone out because of time, schedule, or semester issues. Instead say something like "I'll miss not having you around", because that puts a similar idea out there for her to respond to - if she is really interested. Oh, and another thing is that I've never understood the necessity of "going out." Why does there have to be a formal date involved? Quality time should not depend on the setting.

[I read somewhere that it helps if you look happy, because other people want to be happy too. I still can't decide if that sounds crazy to me.]
 

80Maxwell08

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Monkfish Acc. said:
HOPY SHIT that OP is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE
Also there is an advice forum. But I guess more people will see it in off-topic so whatever.

Anyway.

First off, how fucking old are you. Seventeen? Not having had a girlfriend is not a big fucking deal, you are still technically a fucking minor. When the hell is twelfth grade anyway. Fucking American school system.

Second, Christ's obnoxious golden fucking cockring, are you ever overemotional. Let's go back up to the top, here, "falling for" the girl you met in group therapy. You weren't falling for her. It was a crush. It is always a fucking crush, don't you dare think otherwise. Love is a terrible thing, it is admitting you have an addiction to someone. Addiction is bad. You have to wait until you have exhausted all other options before you start throwing that shitty fucking word around, it is a last resort and you should use it with shame.
Now let's go a little further down. How hearing some girl had a boyfriend hurt so bad omg. No. You were giving her a Valentines letter just like out of one of the Japanese animes. This is not an appropriate emotional response. I mean, sure, you could feel SORT OF disappointed, but then you shrug it off and move the fuck on.
You use the word painful a few times, actually. Every time it invaded my eyes I wanted to shit pure rage and vomit up my hate. It has reached the point where "painful" is like "depressed", every fucking idiot teen and their dog bandies it about because they are morons and love attention. Also I guess negative emotions are cool now or something, whatever. Either way, fucking quit it.

Anyway. Here is the thing about asking people out. Nine times out of ten you will be rejected. So swallow your melodrama and just keep fucking trying. Stop putting your all into it, it's not a big fucking deal.
Alternatively, stop putting anything into it. It'll happen when it is meant to happen. Your moon-eyed bullshit is probably putting people off, you're surpressing your entire personality with your ferocious hunt for something to sleep next to. Stop thinking about it and not only will you be much happier, but girls will actually begin to notice you because you will not be such a fucking sadsack.

Now, I know, you say you want to do this but your head and you emotions blah blah blah here comes how fucking overemotional you are again. Control your fucking emotions. It is not that hard. In fact, you don't even need to do that much, just keep telling yourself you don't need this stuff (because, you know, you fucking don't) and you'll just naturally slip into a state that is less desperate and stupid.

I realise this whole post is basically just me yelling at you but try to get past that and take in the important stuff. You are making yourself miserable. It is not the rejections or your romantic situation, it is you. You are the one putting all this significance on it. Realise romance isn't everything and get the fuck past it, for your sake.
Whoops I had no idea there was an advice fourm. Well...now what?

On topic first off I'm 18 just graduated also the girl in group therapy I had the strongest feelings out of any of the girls I've mentioned but since I still have no idea what love means so I'm not entirely disagreeing with you there. The funny thing about you calling me overemotional is that I have almost no connection to them. Not in the "mind and heart" thing I mentioned I mean I usually feel nearly no emotion but I've just been dweling on it. Also I don't dwell by choice if a memory comes to mind for me its almost impossible to get rid of it by force. However I have been wondering for a long time if there is anything to learn from these. I understand you being frustrated at me for this thinking I'm still just dwelling but truthfully I'm over all of them I was just saying how it felt at the time. The point of this was to see if there was something that I did wrong but didn't realize so I wouldn't do that in the future but I can understand the misunderstanding. Thanks for the yelling over the internet (apology if that sounds rude but I've got no other way to put it at time of responding) but don't worry while wondering what happened I'm over all of them.
 

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80Maxwell08 said:
Ok I said it once but I'll say it again. I'm sorry for putting up another one of these but for the life of me I can't figure out how to improve myself since I have no idea what went wrong. First off I've asked 5 girls out in my life and none of them worked. There are also 2 that never got to an attempt but one of them isn't important. Also this will be very long so if you don't like another one of these then it won't get any easier so might want to just leave now. Sorry. One more thing I only bring up looks because they differed for me in preference but they still mean almost nothing compared to personality. With that said incoming paragraph bombing run.
If you want long? And the accounts of being screwed over by girls. Read my thread on my usal haunt. And youll see there is many fucked up things.
http://www.krakowstudios.com/forum/showthread.php?t=436

I have changed since makeing that post three years ago but bad stuff has still happened. I am going on 23. I am not afraid to ask girls out. I just need to find a girl of enough intrest. Looks arenot important, personlity and since I have a very diffrent personality and intrests than most.

I have only had five girls of inrest to ask out. And even when not trying to pursue a relationship and just being friends, These girls decide to flip the fuck on out on me when they could just say "no".

In my thread, at the end i had such an upper on possible cool girl friend or even entering a GF BF realtionship. But nope it nosed dive harder than anything befor. Thankfully in my pit of despire I found my great friend and we are best buds. She eases off alot my hang ups.

Overall I am still stuck. read my thread to see what advice you can pick up. COS ITS ALOT!


How ever i ake pride that i have kissed 8 girls to 6 guys..........aslong as i keep the ration up on girls vs guys i shall maintain I am hetro. The guys were jut jokes. And a drunk man hopped up on cocian....welcome to my colourfull life.
 

Monkfish Acc.

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80Maxwell08 said:
On topic first off I'm 18 just graduated also the girl in group therapy I had the strongest feelings out of any of the girls I've mentioned but since I still have no idea what love means so I'm not entirely disagreeing with you there. The funny thing about you calling me overemotional is that I have almost no connection to them. Not in the "mind and heart" thing I mentioned I mean I usually feel nearly no emotion but I've just been dweling on it. Also I don't dwell by choice if a memory comes to mind for me its almost impossible to get rid of it by force. However I have been wondering for a long time if there is anything to learn from these. I understand you being frustrated at me for this thinking I'm still just dwelling but truthfully I'm over all of them I was just saying how it felt at the time. The point of this was to see if there was something that I did wrong but didn't realize so I wouldn't do that in the future but I can understand the misunderstanding. Thanks for the yelling over the internet (apology if that sounds rude but I've got no other way to put it at time of responding) but don't worry while wondering what happened I'm over all of them.
Why do people keep thanking me for spewing vitriol at them.

Whatever. Anyway, I guess that is much better. The only thing I could think that you might be doing wrong is stuff I already mentioned. Seeming too desperate or using the L word. And the way to fix that is also stuff I mentioned, stop thinking about it and stop using it, respectively.

Wait hold on that wasn't nearly angry enough pretend it was peppered with swears.
 

Mr.Numbers

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Monkfish Acc. said:
I read this entire post in what I imagine Karkat sounds like. Congratulations, you only missed out on the Caps Lock and the slight tones of homosexuality, but yuo nailed him all the same (Figuratively ;) )

To the OP:

If girls don't like, it's because you aren't likeable. Lower your standards and learn from your mistakes. THe most important thing you learn in school is social skills.