Court Upholds Ban on Samsung Galaxy Tablet

[MadBlueWinnie]

Lets just say that I make a TV. It looks like a TV and has the function of a TV. It's created with my own parts and runs on software that I own legally. According to Apple logic, I cannot compete with the other brands because my TV "looks similar and thus is patent infringement".
Imagine where Apple logic would leave us if we applied it to all products on the market.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

On the plus side before the ruling goes into effect this means they will have to scramble to make sales. Seeing how they are good tablets you may be able to find yourself a steal on one now. Seems like a pure loss for Samsung right? Wrong because if these sell wildly and cheap to rid of them before the deadline this means less people have any reason to buy a iPad.

I was about to post something bitchy about Apple's sucky business practices, but...

Huh.

... where do you think is having the better sales, Best Buy, or Samsung's website?

 

[kir4]

Its nothing to do with likeness of display. It IS the display. Samsung manufactures an array of components for Apple. What this means is Samsung is privy to internal specs, designs, builds, etc. I have dismantled both devices and the resemblance is striking. Citing the same display factories.

This would not typically be the problem as LG does the same thing. However, when there was a market test general consumers could not tell the difference between the two (while off). This is the problem; Apple is banking on brand and model recognition. If they are duplicated then the value of the brand goes down.

This exact same thing happened between Samsung and some TV company in Europe. Samsung barred this company from selling TV's (it only has 3 models, all look the same as Samsung) in the USA. All of these companies do it, and I appreciate it; its a real slippery slope from here to blatant knockoff.

 

[Urh]

Doubtful Apple "pays people off", it's a bit ridiculous to assert that the American law system is that broken, but I would assert that she's compromised on a personal preference level simply based on the amount of simply ridiculous cases she's given in Apple's favour.

It's not so much American law but intellectual property law that is horribly broken. It's a branch of the law where the potential for dickishness is more or less entirely at the discretion of the IP owner, and corporations (even the much-beloved fruit vendor) will always brandish their pork swords in the pursuit of profit and market share. I'd say that things are about to get worse, but with the recent defeat of ACTA in the European Parliament we may actually start to breathe a little easier.

Hell, even individuals can be colossal fucksticks when it comes to "protecting their IP." Need I remind you of just how much bullshit Tim Langdell got away with because of his trademark on the word Edge? It took a lawsuit from EA to put that abusive fucktard in his place.

 

[Icehearted]

I just got the Samsung Galaxy Nexus phone. Pretty sweet piece of tech. Can't wait for Jelly Bean.

If I had not gotten one, banning the competition wouldn't have convinced me to go for an iOS device anyway. I'm hooked on Android (as are a growing number of others), I don't see myself wanting to move to a more restrictive environment such as Apple has created.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Time has no meaning with the Nexus.

You, I like you.

I'm not sure whether I should dislike everyone else for not getting the reference, or be worried that I was the first one who did on a site like this one...


OT: Say it with me people, screw IP law. I've never once seen it do any good for the consumer or for any business or individuals small enough to actually need protection. Instead, they're who it gets used against. At this point it's nothing but a weapon that big businesses use against the consumer and their competitors.

 

[Aeshi]

Time has no meaning with the Nexus.

You, I like you.

I'm not sure whether I should dislike everyone else for not getting the reference, or be worried that I was the first one who did on a site like this one...

OT: Say it with me people, screw IP law. I've never once seen it do any good for the consumer or for any business or individuals small enough to actually need protection. Instead, they're who it gets used against. At this point it's nothing but a weapon that big businesses use against the consumer and their competitors.

I think I got it (isn't it a Demon's Souls reference?) but didn't want to say anything for risk of looking like an idiot.

OT: Companies screwing each other over? Say it isn't so!

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Time has no meaning with the Nexus.

You, I like you.

I'm not sure whether I should dislike everyone else for not getting the reference, or be worried that I was the first one who did on a site like this one...

OT: Say it with me people, screw IP law. I've never once seen it do any good for the consumer or for any business or individuals small enough to actually need protection. Instead, they're who it gets used against. At this point it's nothing but a weapon that big businesses use against the consumer and their competitors.

I think I got it (isn't it a Demon's Souls reference?) but didn't want to say anything for risk of looking like an idiot.

OT: Companies screwing each other over? Say it isn't so!

Star Trek: Generations, unless I'm completely wrong and just made an ass out of myself XD

 

[Loethlin]

Star Trek: Generations, unless I'm completely wrong and just made an ass out of myself XD

Correct!
I was asleep not 10 minutes ago, sorry for being late to the Trek party?

OT: I'm very happy with my Samsung. My mother has iPad on the other hand. I think Samsung is better and Apple is just being a dick.

Could never understand the sacred cow status people bestow upon Apple products, them being clearly inferior in most respects (save for graphic and video jobs). It's getting as aggravating as the constant ranting on EA.

Also, I like how that iJudge always ends up with their cases.

 

[Robert Ewing]

For fuck sake Apple... Get your shit together and become likeable again...

 

[CronoT]

I never realized that "kind of looks similar when turned off" means patent infringement.

A judge, in open court, infamously used as evidence, probably this Koh shill, the fact that Samsung's lawyers couldn't tell the difference between the Galaxy Tab and the Apple iPad at a distance of about 10-15 feet.

When I'm at Wal-Mart or Best Buy, and I'm 10-15 feet away from the display floor plasma flat screen TV's, I can't tell which is which, either.

Someone needs to take this Kob chick to the bathroom and give her a Swirly of Truth.

 

[90sgamer]

This still the same judge? You know, I was told that it's easier to become a judge than a lawyer in America. Now sure how true that is, but if it is...yeah.

Judges are lawyers who have been practicing. There are requirements. You don't just go to school to be a judge.

 

[90sgamer]

There was a case a few years ago, against a judge who was eventually found guilty of taking some hundreds and thousands of dollars worth in bribes from a prison over many years. It seems they paid him/her (I forget) to convict as many people as possible and send them to their prison, so they could make more profit (with prisons being private).

Make no mistake about it, the U.S. criminal justice system is fucked beyond belief.

I do not believe you have any idea how America Jurisprudence works.
1. Judges don't convict anyone. Juries do. Judges have only a minimal role in the process of finding guilt. Their role as it pertains to the finding of guilt is limited entirely to approving jury instructions (which are vetted by the counsel of both sides before hand) and sentencing after guilt is determined. By sentencing I mean how long and in what manner a person is punished for. Sentencing is done according to written guidelines and there is not much room for discretion.
2. [citation needed]

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Ah, here's a practical lady. You wouldn't happen to be a married woman would you?

Yes, actually.

Also, I got the Star Trek reference. I didn't comment because I hated that movie with a passion. It took a giant, steaming dump on the great ending that was "All Good Things" and managed to get it's own continuity wrong. Also, they dropped a fucking bridge on Kirk and blew up the D Enterprise with old ass Stock Footage from Star Trek 6. I'd say Worst Star Trek Movie Ever, but honestly the other three that followed were just as bad. The Next Gen movies are dead to me - they might as well not have happened.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

While I could never really hate any of the Star Trek movies, Generations is VERY weak. http://www.beyondspock.de/Bilder/page/page_id.jpg

Not even First Contact. For several reasons. Mostly because some of the story points in Generations were so bad that they continue through the rest of the movies, tainting them all. Mostly character issues involving Picard and Data.

I would take any original series movie over any Next Generation movie. Even Star Trek 5. That is how much I loathe the Next Gen movies.

Also, FYI - I have the Next Gen series boxed sets on my DVD shelf. I do not have the Original series boxed sets.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Lucky! I haven't gotten my hands on any since the shift from VCR.

Actually, the DVD sets of seasons 4-7 were a wedding present from one of our friends. ^^

But what about the reboot?

Apart from wanting to slap the writer for not knowing what a fucking Supernova is (I mean, really, there are 8 year olds who can point out the flaws in THAT "science"!)....

I mean, seriously... Super Novas threaten single star systems, and don't take anyone by surprise - they require millions of years to build up to, and while they do so they would have killed any life in the star system already by slow heat and radiation increases. And, even IF something caused the star to super-nova instantly, there certainly wouldn't have been time to build a fancy one-man ship to try to fix it - Romulus would have been vaporized in minutes, at best. And collapsing the super-nova into a black hole would simply suck Romulus in, killing everyone anyway, so it was an idiotic plan to start with.

**breathes heavily**

... nice to get that off my chest. Ahem.

Aside from that, though, I generally enjoyed the reboot. Kirk was lackluster, but... if you consider it a parody of Shatner, it's actually kind of funny. As for Spock - holy crap did they get that casting perfect. Diddo for McCoy.

I also liked the shout-outs to the original series. Sulu with a sword? Awesome. The reboot may have been badly made, but at least it was made with love, by actual fans. It's a bit fan-wanky at times, but then so is the new Doctor Who, and I love that show.

I actually rank the reboot over Star Trek 1 and 5. It may have it's horrible, glaring flaws, but at least it's fun - unlike Star Trek 1. Actually the reboot and Star Trek 5 feel similar to me - a lot of good stuff mixed up with a lot of bad stuff. I think the good stuff to bad stuff ratio is slightly better in the reboot than Star Trek 5, but the flaws in the reboot are less excusable, so it's kind of a wash.

 

[Loethlin]

I actually rank the reboot over Star Trek 1 and 5. It may have it's horrible, glaring flaws, but at least it's fun - unlike Star Trek 1. Actually the reboot and Star Trek 5 feel similar to me - a lot of good stuff mixed up with a lot of bad stuff. I think the good stuff to bad stuff ratio is slightly better in the reboot than Star Trek 5, but the flaws in the reboot are less excusable, so it's kind of a wash.

At least there weren't any fart jokes in the reboot.
I'd rank them like so: The Wrath of Khan > The Voyage Home > Reboot > The Undiscovered Country > The Search for Spock > The Final Frontier > The Motion Picture > the rest.

While TOS movies at least had a sort of story arc in them, TNG ones were just crappy episodes stretched to movie lenght. Complete waste of everyone's time.

And yeah, I enjoyed the reboot. The science was awful and I had to try really hard not care for it while watching it, and the goddamn lens flares were blinding, but the love for Trek and care put into making this movie was clearly noticeable and that's why I like it.