Create a hostile faction in a modern fps
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That's a bit like saying "I want a realistic 1940's era War game where I'm not fighting the Germans or Japanese"HannesPascal said:
Okay, I've got the game "like COD4 but fighting non-brown, non-russians"
You can't feign ignorance any more considering the final act is British forces fighting Americans.
And in the VERY LIST YOU REJECTED:
Crysis 2 = modern setting
Spec Ops The Line = Modern setting
I thought it pretty obvious that these aren't my 'political prejudices' I'm expressing, I'd welcome such a game. I'm thinking of how the media would react and why the anticipation of that would prevent anyone creating something like this.Treblaine said:
Considering that the media tends to greatly overexaggerate and distort the truth of a lot of controversal content in games, how do you think a modern game based on some sort of armed American uprising would likely fare?
Sure, I might wanna play it and you might want to play it, but the media watchdogs could read all kinds of stupid crap into it, and most devs wouldn't risk that.
Even if it did actually cause little backlash not many devs would, at this point, risk such a project in the first place.
I'd do what I'm doing in my book-
A group of people who aren't evil, in any sense, but following a lie. A lie that peace must be achieved through war. They do nothing too morally devastating, atleast not by choice, yet they are placed in4 inch thick armor (Sorry, I forgot "Modern") and have every instance of them dehumanized, leaving the oppossing forces in a trans that they are destroying "Bad guys". easily labeled as "Evil baby eaters", without having a face to go along with it, until they see that humans do exist under their armor, and instantly ruin the well-being of said opposing soldiers.
Fighting an enemy who owns most of the world, has supperior technology, land and power hungry leaders with no emplaced restrictions, and yet their greatest weapon is the fact that they are human, underneith all of the things that "protect" them.
A group of people who aren't evil, in any sense, but following a lie. A lie that peace must be achieved through war. They do nothing too morally devastating, atleast not by choice, yet they are placed in
Fighting an enemy who owns most of the world, has supperior technology, land and power hungry leaders with no emplaced restrictions, and yet their greatest weapon is the fact that they are human, underneith all of the things that "protect" them.
A corporation of Swedish architects jealous of the German innovations in structural design so they attempt to take over the biggest German architecture firm via. assasinating the CEO in a buisness meeting, only for the German employees to pull out their own weapons given to them by their military contracts?
Actually I don't play so many fps but according to a lot of people on this website killing brownish people is all you do in these games and I wanted those same people to make up a realistic scenario where you killed someone else.Treblaine said:
A group of people who think FPSs are stupid and rise up to destroy them. Nothing pisses off a gamer faster than people who don't like their particular flavor of game. At least the player would be motivated.
HannesPascal said:
But you are the one who actually said it, you were categorical that there was not a game of that where you kill anyone other than "brown people". I mean, what the hell dude? Why the hell are you making demands of things you know next to noting about? Some questions aren't just questions, they are accusations by implication.
You actually bring up some really good points. And while I maintain my points to some degree (for shooters in general) as an overall statement, you are definitely correct with the COD series.Mycroft Holmes said:
I go to Matthew Reilly novels for a brilliant cast of possible video game villians. So lets see what we have got, ok um Rouge US/EU Military Factions, Rouge Revolutionaries trying to start a US Civil War, a Collective band of Mercenaries/bounty hunters sponsored by a first world nation, A CIA Created army of mercenaries/war criminals/terrorists that is used for an evil purpose, a first world country (US/France/UK/Australia.. ect) that sends an elite team to cover up or capture something your defending, The Government (hey you seen something you weren't supposed to see), Killer experimental apes armed with machine guns and of course the ole Neo-Nazi. Top it all off with some Mutated Walruses, Killer Whales, crocodiles and giant man eating cats and bingo you got yourself an awesome experience
Why not PMCs? i know its impossible as hell and Tom Clanci's HAWX already did it but it sure as hell feels better to kill money grubbing corporate servants than some dude from Russia who got kids to feed. Other wise we can take the ace combat route and make up our own planet where everyone is nice to each other but the evil leaders are the ones that force them to fight... The enemy also better have gigantic flying manta-rays that fire swarms of missiles just to make the narrative point--I just like gigantic flying manta-rays, screw trying to explain that.
Otherwise you can make an FPS where we play a form of terrorist with a "righteous cause" and we try to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. There are allot of enemies for the common man, if painting them brown or saying that they are from a communist country is not fair game any more all you really have to do is find another way to make them different.
Otherwise you can make an FPS where we play a form of terrorist with a "righteous cause" and we try to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. There are allot of enemies for the common man, if painting them brown or saying that they are from a communist country is not fair game any more all you really have to do is find another way to make them different.
No I didn't I said that it is a common occurrence that the killing minorities in modern fps (I confess I might have misused the word "generally") , not that there wasn't any game out there where you did anything else. And it wasn't a demand such much as a question (unless you count the title in which case I'm so terrible sorry for making demands of you), and who would I've accused.Treblaine said:
you saidHannesPascal said:
You didn't say give an example of one. You demanded to "make one up" implying there hadn't been any already.
Don't play dumb with me, a question can be as an assured way of making an accusation "have you stopped beating my wife"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
You're pretty much accusing everyone who plays FPS games and everyone to do with them of being part of some racist conspiracy, concocting the scenario where you'd have to - right now - "make up" a scenario of non-russian and white antagonists. I find that insulting how much it belittles and obfuscates a serious issue.
Zombie dinosaurs from space. If the world can't unite against THAT, then peace is truly unattainable. I had a similar idea involving unicorns, but that would have just been far-fetched.
American obsession with extreme right has finally gotten out of hand and they are starting a war for resources disregarding international treaties.
you are a blue-helmet (United nation forces) soldier (makes you be able to be of ANY natinality as long as they belong to UN, and only countries like north korea doesnt), who gets cauht into the whirpool of this war, while being dislocated in africa.
In this scenario, you a re helping the africans to defend agasint americans, as per UN orders. it ends up with you playin vita part in repelling american invasion.
here i jut made a realistic modern day shooter scenario where white guys are the bad guys. on a
whim. in 2 minutes. Is that really so hard?
I dont see your point. To make up a scenario means to create a fictional scenario that you do not know to be a reality. the scenario i just posted above fits the bill of it. in no way that implies no such scenario has been made up before. maybe it has, i dont know. in fact you are the one implying there can be only one such scenario, which would put you closer to being racist than he is.
also, noone cares if you find it insulting. finding something insulting has 0 meaning. its an useless statement.
you are a blue-helmet (United nation forces) soldier (makes you be able to be of ANY natinality as long as they belong to UN, and only countries like north korea doesnt), who gets cauht into the whirpool of this war, while being dislocated in africa.
In this scenario, you a re helping the africans to defend agasint americans, as per UN orders. it ends up with you playin vita part in repelling american invasion.
here i jut made a realistic modern day shooter scenario where white guys are the bad guys. on a
whim. in 2 minutes. Is that really so hard?
I havent read the whoel discussion, but.....Treblaine said:
I dont see your point. To make up a scenario means to create a fictional scenario that you do not know to be a reality. the scenario i just posted above fits the bill of it. in no way that implies no such scenario has been made up before. maybe it has, i dont know. in fact you are the one implying there can be only one such scenario, which would put you closer to being racist than he is.
also, noone cares if you find it insulting. finding something insulting has 0 meaning. its an useless statement.
Wouldn't count as a minority in the western world...
So they'd be white Americans?
Have you ever read Scarecrow? If you haven't and you like action movies, go read it, it's about a recon marine with super-reflexes, who's got an $18.6 million bounty on his head, a bodyguard who some mysterious employer is paying to keep him alive WITHOUT restricting him, and scant time to figure out why he's on the list, who made the list, what they're trying to do, and how to stop them.
He proceeds to do all kinds of crazy stuff, like Tony Hawks style grinding a car along a rail to dodge a truck and blow up a helicopter, and chasing an ICBM in an experimental NASA aircraft while hacking the warhead to stop it blowing up.
Anyway, since he's got that bounty on him, he's up against all sorts of mercenaries, plenty of which aren't minorities in the western world.
So they'd be white Americans?
Have you ever read Scarecrow? If you haven't and you like action movies, go read it, it's about a recon marine with super-reflexes, who's got an $18.6 million bounty on his head, a bodyguard who some mysterious employer is paying to keep him alive WITHOUT restricting him, and scant time to figure out why he's on the list, who made the list, what they're trying to do, and how to stop them.
He proceeds to do all kinds of crazy stuff, like Tony Hawks style grinding a car along a rail to dodge a truck and blow up a helicopter, and chasing an ICBM in an experimental NASA aircraft while hacking the warhead to stop it blowing up.
Anyway, since he's got that bounty on him, he's up against all sorts of mercenaries, plenty of which aren't minorities in the western world.
The spanish inquisition.
Why? Because nobody expects the spanish inquisition!
Their main weapons would be surprise attacks with flamerthrowers, swords and comfy chairs.
They could be used in a wolfenstein style castle part where the main character is caught, after killing the usual 10 bazillion terrorists (preparing you for the surprise), and tortured before making an escape.
Why? Because nobody expects the spanish inquisition!
Their main weapons would be surprise attacks with flamerthrowers, swords and comfy chairs.
They could be used in a wolfenstein style castle part where the main character is caught, after killing the usual 10 bazillion terrorists (preparing you for the surprise), and tortured before making an escape.