Dad uses Facebook to teach daughter a lesson.

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Ramzal said:
I believe it's an issue because so many people agree with the method he used. A gun is flat out a lethal tool. No one was in danger nor was he protecting anyone or himself. The fact that so many find this acceptable is deplorable. So we use lethal weapons and tools now to prove a point? And at worse, it's childish? Why don't we fire a nuclear weapon into an unpopulated area to show North Korea that we aren't accepting their terms of testing nuclear weapons.

I can understand a blunt object not being as bad or a hammer, or running it over with a car. Granted that all of the above can be lethal, but they weren't made with lethal intent. Honestly, I find as many people as I saw agreeing with this method disturbing. Borderline frightening.

Edit: Although, I think we can all agree to a father punishing his daughter for what he believes to be disrespect.
I will agree, the gun was too much. That's just a little too lethal for my tastes, cause it makes you wonder what else he could use that for to teach her a lesson, and it kinda makes me worry. But honestly, I'm not condoning his methods, but I think he did a good thing to teach her a lesson this way (excluding the gun). It showed her you can't disrespect your family in such a manner, and that you will be punished for it, especially since it already happened once before. I give him props for this. the gun? Eh... too much.
 

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so... disciplining children means MAKING HER FEAR FOR HER LIFE, seriously come on man, yes lets use a lethal weapon to destroy property in a blind rage, bloody hell what do you think shes thinking now, that she will be next if she does anything wrong again. AGHHH this is not how parenting works, you do not use a weapon designed to kill after saying that this is about to get a lot worse for you from now on.
 

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zidine100 said:
so... disciplining children means MAKING HER FEAR FOR HER LIFE, seriously come on man, yes lets use a lethal weapon to destroy property in a blind rage, bloody hell what do you think shes thinking now, that she will be next if she does anything wrong again. AGHHH this is not how parenting works.
Did you watch the video? He was very calm and collected.
 

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Kvaedi said:
zidine100 said:
so... disciplining children means MAKING HER FEAR FOR HER LIFE, seriously come on man, yes lets use a lethal weapon to destroy property in a blind rage, bloody hell what do you think shes thinking now, that she will be next if she does anything wrong again. AGHHH this is not how parenting works.
Did you watch the video? He was very calm and collected.
yes i did, i come from the uk so its probably just me overreacting over the use of a gun for something like this. I overexagurated i know, tis a habit of mine.
 

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If shooting a laptop in a little rage isn't right, then we should just execute the FPS - Russia guy, because he 'just shoots stuff' with a 'lethal, last resort' weapon as well.
It doesn't matter if the laptop was $1000 or $15. It's his property, he probably bought it for his daughter, he can do whatever he wants with it!

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omega 616 said:
You also pick some really weird things to ban ...

Hey, if you saw the commerical for those egg things, you wouldn't want them in your country either!
 

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That was anger? All I saw was a calm and collective man who came up with a rather intense way of letting his daughter and her friends know how not to act to your parents. If that was anger, I'd like to see how mellow he can get when he is depressed.

As for the whole gun thing, he aimed it at an inanimate object,he looked like he had the training and he looks like the type of man who goes to a gun range or hunting every once in a while (He has a ten gallon hat on for christ sake! He's a walking American Sterotype.) The laptop was on the ground, not on a stand in front of a free way or where people are walking, he probably did it on his own property etc etc etc.

As far as I am concerned, he practiced safe gun use while using it. Its not like he's blasting rounds off into the air like an idiot or anything.
 

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I feel that his actions were justified. You write that shit, and your dad sees it, you're gonna get whatever's coming to you.

Using a gun just made it classy. It was straight to the point, and it wasn't brutal like a crowbar, or over elaborate like some sadistic torture.
 

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zidine100 said:
Kvaedi said:
zidine100 said:
so... disciplining children means MAKING HER FEAR FOR HER LIFE, seriously come on man, yes lets use a lethal weapon to destroy property in a blind rage, bloody hell what do you think shes thinking now, that she will be next if she does anything wrong again. AGHHH this is not how parenting works.
Did you watch the video? He was very calm and collected.
yes i did, i come from the uk so its probably just me overreacting over the use of a gun for something like this.
Ah, makes sense. Coming from the US, it's hard for me to understand that mentality; my dad had gun that I shot several times as a kid. He kept a pistol right on the mantle above the fireplace, but I never touched it because he taught me not to unless he was there. Growing up around guns, and handling them quite often, it's just hard for me to get I guess.

To me if he went and smashed it with a bat or shovel or hammer, it would seem a far more violent, passionate act to me, because of the amount of physical involvement in that kind of destruction. It's something you do because you're angry, lashing out, transferring anger into swings. That's the kind of thing done in a blind rage.

Him shooting it, from the way I read him, was just determination. Not blind rage, just doing something he felt needed to be done.
 

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I can't go so far as to say I agree with his methods, or even that the video didn't raise some questions for me as to his fitness at parenting. However, he wasn't wildly out of control, he didn't turn a gun on his daughter, he didn't rage, he was conducting a demonstration that - for whatever reason (and, let's face it - he knows his daughter, we don't) - he thought would make his point.

I do think that he wasn't anticipating the video going viral as it has. That's going to provoke more repercussions of humiliation for the girl and possible problems for him as a parent that he could have avoided by going another way, but that's unintended consequences for you.

So, don't agree with him, but I don't condemn him either - because 1 video is not enough to judge the entire child-parent relationship of total strangers.
 

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I am not a American and I throughly hate guns. If you are not hunting then you don't fucking need a firearm.

But that shit was fucking awesome. That dude is a pimp and I fully support what he did. Me, I woulda smashed her laptop with a sledgehammer or sold it but still. Who cares that he used a gun. It was on soft soil so no real chance of it ricocheting and hurting anyone.

But I do think he should have handed the shot up laptop to her and recorded her reaction. Would have been amazing.

Oh and you lied. He knew how many rounds he had left, he was speaking normally while shooting it, was not crazy shooting so your "He lost count of how many rounds he fired into it in rage." was a lie.


http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii
He actually seems like a really nice guy.
 

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Ramzal said:
usmarine4160 said:
Actually it is a right in America and that's not going to be changed so you're wrong ;)

Though I agree it was wrong to use a .45 like I said in the other thread. A 12 gauge with buckshot would've been about 20% cooler
Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual. When someone boycotts someone's funeral, they should be sued for disturbing the peace and harassment, when someone unloads an entire clip into a computer for the sake of being angry they should lose their right to use a firearm due to displaying little to no discipline with the tool.

I'm not wrong since our rights have been violated anyway, as our right to a fair trial when under arrest has been revoked anyway. (Which I do no see any positive outcome from and I do not support.) A gun is not a plaything or a toy. I'm not sure if you a trolling or you are honestly that deluded.

Edit: Besides, the law states that American's have the right to bare arms. Not to discharge them under any circumstance.
Assuming it was on his property, he had every right to discharge his weapon into that laptop. Granted, it was potentially dangerous, as a bullet could have struck a rock and ricocheted somewhere, but that doesn't change the fact that this was this legal. The father did not use the gun as a toy or plaything, he used it as a weapon, with which he then destroyed his daughters laptop, because she clearly no longer deserved having one, especially one that the father put so much time and effort into.

Ramzal said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kl1ujzRidmU

I have already posted about this. So I will just take what I posted and put it here:

What is wrong with you people? This man just put 9 rounds into a stationary object because he was angry. Let me repeat myself; This man just unloaded a -gun- into a computer because he was angry. He has every right to punish his daughter, but this shows complete and total lack of control and discipline over himself by using a firearm to teach a lesson.

He lost count in how many bullets fired at that, because of his anger! And people support this? A gun is not a toy, it's a tool. A last resort and used to protect, not destroy. I've seen comments on this saying "An all American dad!" Are you people crazy or just plan stupid? Comments like that is exactly why our country is looked down on as gun tooting/war hungry morons! His entire point goes out the window when he shows how childish (Retaliating to her internet post--it's an internet post for crying out loud) with the use of a gun.

And people say the young are stupid.
I once believed that a gun should be a right, however after seeing how he used his firearm and people's encouragement of his action, I now believe that having a gun should be treated as a privilege instead of a right. I am an American, and I DO NOT agree with this man's methods of use of a firearm, nor raising a child.

Edit: However, chores are fine. Go chores.
His actions with a firearms put no one in danger. It was on his property (I'm assuming), and as long as the laptop did not gain sentience and a soul and start crying out in pain, he caused no one any harm.

Also, the "internet post" does in fact show a great deal of disrespect, and I would be just as angry if my daughter (if I had one) posted something like that. I know a lot of people who have posted things like this, and that doesn't change the fact that this post, despite being meant only to her friends, is something she should not have ever posted on facebook. The father did not shoot his daughter, he shot her laptop (an item that she clearly liked a lot) to drive the points (that she needs to show A) some respect, and B) grow up a bit) home.

How would you have handled the situation?
 

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Ramzal said:
Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual.
You're calling someone else deluded after making a statement like that? The people that created SOPA and PIPA and ACTA agree with you, anyways.

Let the redneck shoot his daughter's computer. I'm terrified of how the internet will affect my children. If they fuck up, I'll discipline them in my own way. Maybe I'll run their computers through a compactor or chainsaw them in half. I'll be sure and video tape it so I can laugh at all the whiny socialists who want to take away my rights to chainsaws or garbage compactors because I used them to destroy a computer.
 

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McNinja said:
Granted, it was potentially dangerous, as a bullet could have struck a rock and ricocheted somewhere, but that doesn't change the fact that this was this legal.
Nah, he used holowpoints. Walking down stairs is far more dangerous than what he did.
 

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This is so wrong... this is so fucking wrong...

I'm no parent (yet), but I think I would've handled this whole affair more peacefully, with a cooler head and, certainly, with much more respect.

In other words, more maturely.

If my daughter would've wrote something similar, I'd certainly would get mad too, but I would've also considered this as a red light to stop and think where things went wrong, either with myself, as a parent, or my daughter, I would've tried to talk to her peacefully and try to understand her problems, not throw a tantrum at her about how harder it was "back in the day" and just yell at her about how "disrespectful" she was.

It's much more disrespectful to take her laptop and start shooting the damn thing. Heck, that's psychological violence, right there, he not only humiliated her in front of millions, he scarred her for life, good luck finding forgiveness from your "spoiled brat", psycho.

I'm not generalizing americans for this fucking idiot's attitude, but man, this guy can make you think about a lot of stuff.
 

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DRes82 said:
Ramzal said:
Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual.
You're calling someone else deluded after making a statement like that? The people that created SOPA and PIPA and ACTA agree with you, anyways.

Let the redneck shoot his daughter's computer. I'm terrified of how the internet will affect my children. If they fuck up, I'll discipline them in my own way. Maybe I'll run their computers through a compactor or chainsaw them in half. I'll be sure and video tape it so I can laugh at all the whiny socialists who want to take away my rights to chainsaws or garbage compactors because I used them to destroy a computer.
I wouldn't call him a redneck; a man who works at a clinic, has a cleaning lady, and can afford to shoot expensive laptops is far from being a redneck. There are plenty of people living here in Seattle that are much closer to being rednecks than him.
 

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I do think Facebook is a real threat to the well-being, integrity and possibly even the future of (some of) our kids. If any of the folks in our office just so much as try to access Facebook, we'll see if maybe they have too much free time at their hands, or if we have another 'addict' and we'll handle it accordingly.

If they publicly put their office mail address on Facebook or otherwise mess up, their mail account will be suspended. It's only a chosen few that can't live with these rules, and they tend to be the more useless ones. If their parents didn't teach them, if their teachers failed, well, I really don't see why or how an employer should handle these 'special' needs.

We have officially disabled folks with actual disabling issues working like mules all day long, going for raises and bonuses to finance their holidays, dreams and/or kids. And we have 'healthy' young people failing miserably because they behave like the masters of the universe without actually knowing anything much beyond amusing and consuming themselves silly. It's a real problem, as anyone in education or as an employer could confirm.

In that dad's place, I'd have done the same, but I'd probably have used a sledgehammer, as it tends to bring out all the disappointment and anger blow by blow. These days, parents who really try to make a good job parenting are under a silly amount of pressure. The 'empowerment' of children works against both the parents who care and the children who'd need their bottoms spanked. The education systems of old are changed beyond recognition. Take France, where meanwhile an unprecedented whopping 80% of all youth achieve the 'maturité, which would allow them all to go to university, but the majority of them is absolutely useless and decidedly non-academic.

And yes, I do condone destroying her laptop and making her reconsider her stance. The children we raise and teach should be better than we were in order to have it better. If they turn into lazy meat-bags there just will not be a better tomorrow, quite the opposite. And we can't have that, now, can we.

Why put it on Facebook/YouTube? If I got this right, and believe the story, then I think it's safe to say that the fragmentation of realities was already a fact quite some time before dad 'snapped' - in a rather controlled fashion, I might add. The compartmentalization of our - family and social - lives is indeed easily furthered by the ever-tempting time sinkhole and social black hole called facebook... I sympathize with almost any and all opposition.
 

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Theres difference between kicking his daughters door in and blasting her laptop with a gun and taking his daughters laptop out into the woods and calmly unloading some rounds into it.

It was anger that motivated his shooting of it, but it wasnt an act of blind rage wen he used it.
 

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I came into this fully expecting to agree with the OP, but his use of a firearm was not irresponsible. Responsible use of a gun does not have to be a "last resort for protection". People shoot clay pigeons, cans and other targets all the time for fun/practice. So long as this is done in the proper environment by people who treat the gun with respect there is no real danger. Using it to shoot a laptop you own is no different, and this was both in the proper environment and treated the gun with respect even putting the gun on the ground and not shooting horizontally to ensure there was near zero risk. He used the gun not in an emotionally charged reaction, but after clear and conscious thought to use it to make a point. He was not threatening his child (with the gun) or anyone else. There is no reason not to use it to destroy an object you own to emphasize a point so long as you don't endanger anyone.

This is all coming from someone who thinks the USA needs far more gun regulation.