While he may have a fair point, I can't help but feel that his words are going to be fired back at him.
Danger Close: Medal of Honor Complainers "Don't Understand Games"
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I agree. Some people don't respect video games on same level as other media, and it's sort of an age thing. Same way my parents hate rap, and theirs hated rock and roll. People look at having the Taliban in a video game as insensitive because they think video games go about it disrespectfully. They haven't played any video games, and probably never will. And when you don't know things but claim to, that's when you start talking out of your ass.
I was more referring to how the poster made it sound like it was his own little clever nickname for a group of people, when it was anything but.TomLikesGuitar said:
Novels and movies (as addressed in the part you redacted) are not the same as multiplayer video games. It's all fine and well that you desperately want to raise video games to the level of artistic validity that novels and movies enjoy, but this isn't the way to do it at all, and in fact temper tantrums like the one these people are throwing are almost certainly setting their cause back, because all outsiders are seeing is a bunch of crybabies stomping their feet over what they view as little more than a toy.Amnestic said:
Oh yeah, you're doing wonders for your cause with anger like that! We should absolutely take you seriously!TomLikesGuitar said:
Dude, you just called everyone in this thread a crybaby for having opinions on the rights of their favorite medium.rockyoumonkeys said:
And you don't expect anyone to be angry.
Besides you're the one who is so unnecessarily gung-ho about this. Everyone else here is talking about actively working towards fixing unfair censorship. You are here to tell us that you think we are childish for being so active.
Here, I'll argue like you to make things more fair.
Read some Ayn Rand, KID. Maybe then, KIDS like you will GROW UP and realize that CONSERVATIVE DICKWADS are the real BABIES.
Churchill didn't know dick.
To be fair, only some of them are crybabies. You're acting like one right now. The ones who are taking this thing and turning it into an issue of censorship and free speech are going way overboard, and they're absolutely acting like babies. I've already said all this, why am I repeating myself? It's one word in a video game that has ZERO effect on the game. And yet you're ready to take to the streets in protest over it.TomLikesGuitar said:
Could be you're getting carried away. You also seem to be losing a little of your mind. That's pretty amusing.
In summary, people like you are the reason why video games will never be taken seriously as an art form.
it's not even a model swap its just the name of the team, they are changing a 7 letter word into 13 lettersOnyx Oblivion said:
lol its pathetic
Oh no, I've already lost my mind. If that was about the Churchill reference, though, I'm just thrilled you don't get itrockyoumonkeys said:
. But that aside, if you had some sense of reading comprehension and/or memory, you'd know that I don't give a fuck about the word Taliban not being in MoH. I've already said all this, why am I repeating myself? You seem a bit naive, but over the course of my life I've seen so many things ruined by PC groups that I have the right to be angry when the roots of censorship take place. Trust me bud, there's way less sensible people (like both of us actually) who won't complain about shit that's offensive than there are crazy activists starting silly movements like feminism and protest groups for video games. So, as the minority, the only thing we can do is hold out as long as possible.Edit: Also, your last post insinuates that anyone who cares about video game censorship is a "crybaby", not just those who care about the word Taliban. As a matter of fact, no one in this thread really said much about how the word Taliban would have changed anything. All we care about is the meaning behind it. If you can't see it, so be it. You should really just admit that you angrily called a bunch of people crybabies for no reason.
Looks like you got this one a little backwards, but the basic point is....wait a minute. Did you just compare womens' rights to video games?TomLikesGuitar said:
Man, you really are loco.
Yeah ok, I get it. Random slander is really helping your... cause? I think it's a cause because otherwise I don't know what your point is. It's been 3 posts since I asked you to summarize what your basic point is and you haven't gotten back to me on that. You came really close in this post, but then realized you didn't have one I guess and so had to come up with something else to say.rockyoumonkeys said:
But no, I don't compare womens' rights to video games. It's funny you don't know the difference between womens' rights and feminism. And I didn't compare them either. I just meant there's a bunch of **** feminists trying to make entertainment less interesting and more politically correct, and there's a bunch of asshole conservatives trying to make video games and other mediums less interesting a more politically correct. Sorry I had to spell that one out.
I summarized my point in my first post. Both "sides" are going too far. As you fall very clearly on one side (turning this into a censorship issue), you are among the people I feel are "going too far".TomLikesGuitar said:
Also, now I know that you're one of those people who considers the word "feminist" to be a slur. Good to know the type of person I'm dealing with. It makes dismissing you entirely much easier.
Feminists: Women's rights activists who've gone too far. It is not a slur, but the movement is unnecessary and has made claims in the past which have been proven false time and time again.rockyoumonkeys said:
Good to know you're one of those indecisive people who has no opinions. Makes me wonder why you even talk.
So I'm indecisive because I don't go for one extreme or the other? Gotcha. Your bizarre logic makes me sleepy. Don't worry, I'm not going to take up any more of your precious protest time. Go fight feminism and evil video game censors.TomLikesGuitar said:
Shit man, why all the hate?abattrick said:
Just because it was an illegal war, your gonna, basically, take a shit down the neck of anyone whos lost family members in iraq (completely illegal) or afghanistan (on shaky ground, an argument for that war CAN be made, its just flimsy as all hell)?
No, its just wrong... and before you start trying to criticise me for being a pro war american, Im not, i hate the very thought of war, the thing is, I love and respect each and every soldier, regardless of nationality, who is fighting out there... god, i almost cant believe I meant that statement, since I have the sort of low level, passive, half jokey racism that seems to typify us brits.
But seriously, STFU and GTFO, unless your actually posting something that is A) appropriate and b) not completely, downright offensive.
/rant
OT: I think that they should have backed down, as people are still fighting the taliban and dying, but the gamers who are going on about censorship and free-speech ARE indeed blowing it out of all proportion.
If its in the SP, then fair enough, that can be handled with a degree of compassion towards the families, but in MP with the kind of dickwads you tend to encounter? it'll cause more offense than its worth, and if the publisher realised this then good, I sorta worry about all the people who didnt...
/2nd rant
I can't deny this about sums up my life. The fucked up thing is that I actually somehow still get laid... go figure.rockyoumonkeys said:
Look, lets just admit we're both right in a sense; video games get fucked with way more than other shit in the same relative area of entertainment forms, but the word Taliban was a unnecessary game addition to which controversy is acceptable.
The sex scenes in Mass Effect though, now that's a different story.
From the title, I thought you meant that the developers are using the easy "those that say the game suck don't UNDERSTAND the artistic reasons for having terrible filter effects, a short campaign, and a story that beats you over the head with a wrench" kind of deal. You may consider changing that to be more reflective of that.Andy Chalk said:
Whether or not one considers video games an art medium is a non-issue as boils down the overarching principal at hand. It was decided to include the Taliban in Medal of Honor through the campaign and the multiplayer, the later merely a difference in team names for that matter. Given the precedents set by other games as to what sparks a controversy, it can be pretty well noted that the media can spin a renegade pancake as a catalyst to violence and obesisty in children "exposed" to video games. Now that a subject that could be blown out of proportion has been by the very same philistines that unearthed all previous scandals,the choice was made to fall back on the titular Taliban faction in favor of a less provocative name.
Through acting upon the pressures of a minority segment of society who would never even purchase this game in the first place, Danger and EA set their own precedent. Now these groups will perceive it as a legitimate criticism that can justly garner a knee-jerk retraction of any offensive material in video games. Not movies. Not novels. Not magazines. Not even the vitriolic slander political interest groups will shove down the public's collective throat or hate speech.
As with the California law, it leads into discrepancies over what is tolerable for various mediums involving free speech. As an open-minded individual, I am especially offended that something as benign as video games as an entertainment medium are given the green-light to censor, while truly socially damaging or offensive material is left untouched. America, the one place where you can burn the country's flag legally, but video games are shunned as a destructive taboo.
Through acting upon the pressures of a minority segment of society who would never even purchase this game in the first place, Danger and EA set their own precedent. Now these groups will perceive it as a legitimate criticism that can justly garner a knee-jerk retraction of any offensive material in video games. Not movies. Not novels. Not magazines. Not even the vitriolic slander political interest groups will shove down the public's collective throat or hate speech.
As with the California law, it leads into discrepancies over what is tolerable for various mediums involving free speech. As an open-minded individual, I am especially offended that something as benign as video games as an entertainment medium are given the green-light to censor, while truly socially damaging or offensive material is left untouched. America, the one place where you can burn the country's flag legally, but video games are shunned as a destructive taboo.