Dark Knight Rises Cinematographer Bashes The Avengers
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Pretty sly of the Escapist to criticize the newspaper for reporting on his rant "out of context", but then go right ahead and make a news article about it themselves.
It's the sort of utter lack of self awareness you'd normally see in badly written satire.
It's the sort of utter lack of self awareness you'd normally see in badly written satire.
They were both fantastic films for their own reasons, at least to me. Seems kind of... childish to take shots like this.
Pretty much said everything I felt was wrong with The Dark Knight Rises. Long, boring and predictable, things that The Dark Knight avoided extremely well. I enjoyed The Avengers much much more than TDKR.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Dude, both movies grossed over a billion dollars, I can't imagine he cares that much that the avengers made a bit more.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
As for the rest? Is it really that unbelievable that a cinematographer might be overly critical of cinematography, you know, the thing he spends his life doing and has won awards for. I guarantee you've been overly critical of something just as petty (as has everyone on this site, including me), probably involving gaming, so it seems a bit unnecessary to attack the guy for his opinion, particularly about things that he had nothing to do with.
On the topic of awards, while I have a large problem with the Oscars and their often baffling choices, I don't think the opinion of some guy on the internet outweighs the decision made by experts in the field. You can't just claim that he has no room to talk because you don't like it, you aren't the be all and end all.
For the record, I found the Dark Knight Rises to be a bit disappointing, and the Avengers was an awful lot of fun (if unambitious).
I want to come back at him for this, but this is the man who did the cinematography for Inception, so I clearly am not qualified enough to gripe or comment that the cinematography of The Avengers might well have been awkward, but worked perfectly for what they wanted from the film. However, not being a professional cinematographer, I am free to comment that, while the impressive filming in Inception definitely heightened my experience of the film, no amount of amazing cinematography could save The Dark Knight Rises from being a terrible film, unfortunately.
Tone matters because the way one shoots a movie influences the way an audience views it. The Avengers was very snappy and campy; If they shot it similar to, say, Drive the whole quick paced energy would've been lost.Woodsey said:
Don't be such a hater, Wally. It's not The Avengers fault that a 10-foot-tall green muscle-man swinging a Norse god around like a bag of grass clippings looks more believable than a man with a pointy-eared bucket on his head playing happy-slaps with WWE's Kane.
I'm just saying the next time you guys film a fight scene, try not to use angles where Batman is clearly punching the air in front of his opponent. Might help.
I'm just saying the next time you guys film a fight scene, try not to use angles where Batman is clearly punching the air in front of his opponent. Might help.
I don't have any reason to doubt the guy's honesty (it's slightly amusing how many Escapists, who probably have zero knowledge of cinematography, automatically assume he's "just jealous"), but he's kind of a dick.
Also, strictly anecdotal, but my brother is a serious movie nerd (not a hipster nerd; more like a "truly in love with cinema," "watches Stanley Kubrick films all the time," nerd, like Quentin Tarantino or w/e), and he actually notices stuff like cinematography in movies. He found the cinematography in Avengers, Dark Knight Rises, and Inception to all be lacking.
Also, strictly anecdotal, but my brother is a serious movie nerd (not a hipster nerd; more like a "truly in love with cinema," "watches Stanley Kubrick films all the time," nerd, like Quentin Tarantino or w/e), and he actually notices stuff like cinematography in movies. He found the cinematography in Avengers, Dark Knight Rises, and Inception to all be lacking.
The only time I had trouble with the camera angle in Avengers is when Thor and Loki were beating each other on Stark's tower. Camera did that thing where it gets in REAL close to their faces, then would cut away every two seconds to show another fight, then cut back. That made my head hurt and I remember thinking, "I can't tell what's happening." The rest of the movie was fine for me--especially that part where the camera zoomed in on the bridge where Captain America was fighting, then Iron Man shows up and does a combo attack, then it follows Iron Man up as he flies off.
I can't really remember much from the Dark Knight Rise except for that fight scene with Batman and Catwoman fighting together on the roof. That seemed like the same type of camera work as The Avengers to me.
Why is he ragging on Avengers now anyway?
I can't really remember much from the Dark Knight Rise except for that fight scene with Batman and Catwoman fighting together on the roof. That seemed like the same type of camera work as The Avengers to me.
Why is he ragging on Avengers now anyway?
People are blowing this waaaay out of proportion. From his own professional view, he doesn't like the camera angles in the Avengers.
It's that simple. People are reading into this too much. Stop whining about jealousy like a bunch of little kids. He's a professional in that field and he's allowed to have opinions and voice them.
It's that simple. People are reading into this too much. Stop whining about jealousy like a bunch of little kids. He's a professional in that field and he's allowed to have opinions and voice them.
Considering that the edits in The Dark Knight Rises was detrimental to the cinematography of the movie, this gentleman should shut the hell up. TDKR is a great movie but it was cut down in screen time for theatres and cinematography took a decent ding.
If I did my pants surely didn't know, that erection lasted the entire film.Agow95 said:
I kinda want to go buy it and watch it again now that he brought it up.
Pretty much this. Who cares if a cinematographer didn't like the cinematography in another film? Us ordinary cinema goers might not appreciate the nuances of the craft, but this guy obviously noticed and it bugged the hell out of him.OhJohnNo said:
Unprofessional, but not a bid deal.
Its probably not even his fault and I realize its taking in gotham, but when you are shooting in a city known for something beautiful and something you went to the city for specifically (the Skyline) and then you dont actually show it (the FUCKING SKYLINE) I dont know why youre talking shit on someone else because they spent money on a setting and have to show it off.
I thought The Avengers was an underwhelming movie. But I didn't think it had anything to do with camera angles.