Dead or Alive 6 Creator Director Shimbori Asks "Why does DoA get so much flak vs. other games?"

[BrawlMan]

It's because DoA was an easy target for journalists who don't have anything else to do but propagate false outrage for clicks.

This. Though I remeber back in the day, they didn't have a problem with it until post DOA4.

I don't know. I was never a hardcore fighter gamer but I play Street Fighter, Tekken sometimes and I've played a bit of Soul Calibur (the first still looks good for the time it came out) and I think I tried one DOA game for the original Xbox and it struck me as not that great just from a game play standpoint.

Can anyone who actually plays a lot of fighters comment on the actual fighting mechanics? Like, is there a good fighting game hiding underneath all the fan-service nonsense?

DoA has one of the most in depth and realistic Fighting mechanics of any fighting game out there.

This too. But the problem I had at the time was that I found most of the castlacking. What didn't help was that almost of the female cast used the same character model until 5. Things didn't get interesting with the cast until 4 came out. There was the ninja story with Kasumi/Ayane/Hayate everyone got sick of by the time 4 came out (DOA5 seemed to put that to bed) and almost everyone else was just kinda there. Oh, and Ryu Hayabusa too.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Remember the days when Street Fighter went as far as showing a Naked Chun Li taking a shower in the Street Fighter 2 Animated Movie? Ass and Titties fully exposed? Good times...

I remember that; but I more clearly remember her wrecking Vega?s shit par excellence afrerwards more. Hehe, she threw a couch at him and kicked him through a wall.

 

[jademunky]

See, what you young'uns don't fully understand about the initial selling point about DOA is that it was much harder to be able to see boobs in the mid-90's. Internet porn was barely even a thing and.... well anyway, my point is that the jiggle-physics were THE selling point of the game from the very beginning.

There were loads of fighting games at the time, plenty of them had scantily-clad women but DOA was the first to drop all pretension whatsoever when it came to the fanservice.

 

[Saelune]

It's because DoA was an easy target for journalists who don't have anything else to do but propagate false outrage for clicks.

This. Though I remeber back in the day, they didn't have a problem with it until post DOA4.

Maybe because it wasn't until post DOA4 that it became about sexy women instead of being a fighting game. Dead or Alive 3 was actually a pretty ok fighting game. DOA4 was bad though, then they made the Beach Vollyball game and here we are.

 

[jademunky]

It's because DoA was an easy target for journalists who don't have anything else to do but propagate false outrage for clicks.

This. Though I remeber back in the day, they didn't have a problem with it until post DOA4.

Maybe because it wasn't until post DOA4 that it became about sexy women instead of being a fighting game. Dead or Alive 3 was actually a pretty ok fighting game. DOA4 was bad though, then they made the Beach Vollyball game and here we are.

Nonsense, it was always about "sexy" (for a given pixelated definition of the word) women rather than being about a decent fighting game.

I was hella into fighting games as an insecure teenager in the 90's. I did not play DOA for it's fighting mechanics.

 

[Saelune]

It's because DoA was an easy target for journalists who don't have anything else to do but propagate false outrage for clicks.

This. Though I remeber back in the day, they didn't have a problem with it until post DOA4.

Maybe because it wasn't until post DOA4 that it became about sexy women instead of being a fighting game. Dead or Alive 3 was actually a pretty ok fighting game. DOA4 was bad though, then they made the Beach Vollyball game and here we are.

Nonsense, it was always about "sexy" (for a given pixelated definition of the word) women rather than being about a decent fighting game.

I was hella into fighting games as an insecure teenager in the 90's. I did not play DOA for it's fighting mechanics.

Well, as someone who was not into it for the ladies, I did enjoy DOA3. It certainly was not as gratuitous as it later got.

 

[jademunky]

Well, as someone who was not into it for the ladies, I did enjoy DOA3. It certainly was not as gratuitous as it later got.

That may be true for #3. I gave up all hope around DOA2 where you could could customize bust-size and "bounciness" levels on a scale from zero to-you'r grandma.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I don't know. I was never a hardcore fighter gamer but I play Street Fighter, Tekken sometimes and I've played a bit of Soul Calibur (the first still looks good for the time it came out) and I think I tried one DOA game for the original Xbox and it struck me as not that great just from a game play standpoint.

Can anyone who actually plays a lot of fighters comment on the actual fighting mechanics? Like, is there a good fighting game hiding underneath all the fan-service nonsense?

DoA has one of the most in depth and realistic Fighting mechanics of any fighting game out there.

I thought Virtua Fighter held the realistic martial arts crown and DOA had the best environments. I mean I?m a Tekken man personally since I liked being able to chain up the different limbs.

Mind DOA and Tekken are a counter-fest and a juggle-fest respectively.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Can we have mortal combat beach volleyball?

No, but you can have Tekken Ball. And honestly, what else do you need?

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Can we have mortal combat beach volleyball?

No, but you can have Tekken Ball. And honestly, what else do you need?

Throw in Tekken Bowling and I?m quids in.

 

[Chewster]

I don't know. I was never a hardcore fighter gamer but I play Street Fighter, Tekken sometimes and I've played a bit of Soul Calibur (the first still looks good for the time it came out) and I think I tried one DOA game for the original Xbox and it struck me as not that great just from a game play standpoint.

Can anyone who actually plays a lot of fighters comment on the actual fighting mechanics? Like, is there a good fighting game hiding underneath all the fan-service nonsense?

DoA has one of the most in depth and realistic Fighting mechanics of any fighting game out there.

Fair enough. As I said, I'm hardly an expert. I'll have to mirror everyone else then, and say their heavy emphasis on boob physics is seen as being a bit...puerile, maybe?

Evidently most fighting games, for better or worse, has a bit of TnA but it seems like DoA was heavily marketed based just on that, at least later on in the series. Which is all right if that's your thing, I guess. When I was a horny, dumbass teenager I probably would have thought it was cool. I just don't really see the point as an adult. Enjoy the fighting by all means, but what does tit physics really add?

Here's a question: are there any modern day fighting games that don't have any of that sort of stuff?

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

I don't know. I was never a hardcore fighter gamer but I play Street Fighter, Tekken sometimes and I've played a bit of Soul Calibur (the first still looks good for the time it came out) and I think I tried one DOA game for the original Xbox and it struck me as not that great just from a game play standpoint.

Can anyone who actually plays a lot of fighters comment on the actual fighting mechanics? Like, is there a good fighting game hiding underneath all the fan-service nonsense?

DoA has one of the most in depth and realistic Fighting mechanics of any fighting game out there.

Fair enough. As I said, I'm hardly an expert. I'll have to mirror everyone else then, and say their heavy emphasis on boob physics is seen as being a bit...puerile, maybe?

Evidently most fighting games, for better or worse, has a bit of TnA but it seems like DoA was heavily marketed based just on that, at least later on in the series. Which is all right if that's your thing, I guess. When I was a horny, dumbass teenager I probably would have thought it was cool. I just don't really see the point as an adult. Enjoy the fighting by all means, but what does tit physics really add?

Here's a question: are there any modern day fighting games that don't have any of that sort of stuff?

Dragonball FighterZ, if you remove #21's vore suggestions and general look, though she's not nearly as exposed as chars of others.

Thing is, the main reason it doesn't have over the top fanservice is that it has just 2 female characters (3 with the addition of the newly released Videl+Great Saiyaman dual character)

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

Boob sliders, marketing, having CG pics of the characters in revealing clothing, it's been the sexy fighter game from the start, it's hard to shake that kind of rep. They made their bed and have made no attempt to change their body fluid soaked sheets, I don't see why it's a surprise.

Which is a shame, DoA was actually a decent fighter that felt different to all the rest, back when I played those sort of games.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Can we have mortal combat beach volleyball?

Only if Mileena doesn't have her "Mouth"

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Boob sliders, marketing, having CG pics of the characters in revealing clothing, it's been the sexy fighter game from the start, it's hard to shake that kind of rep. They made their bed and have made no attempt to change their body fluid soaked sheets, I don't see why it's a surprise.

Which is a shame, DoA was actually a decent fighter that felt different to all the rest, back when I played those sort of games.

Yeah most of the big ones have a 'thing' they're remembered for.

DoA is its sexy characters, Mortal Kombat was built on blood and bone, Street Fighter upon its as yet unmatched colourful characters, Tekken sells itself on the (overly) dramatic story line of the Mishima/Kazama family.

There's lots of crossover, Tekken is not exactly short of good looking men and women, nor is Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat. But it isn't what leaps to mind immediately when you think about them.

I have no idea what Soul Calibur's 'thing' was. The weapons perhaps?

 

[BrawlMan]

Boob sliders, marketing, having CG pics of the characters in revealing clothing, it's been the sexy fighter game from the start, it's hard to shake that kind of rep. They made their bed and have made no attempt to change their body fluid soaked sheets, I don't see why it's a surprise.

Which is a shame, DoA was actually a decent fighter that felt different to all the rest, back when I played those sort of games.

Yeah most of the big ones have a 'thing' they're remembered for.

DoA is its sexy characters, Mortal Kombat was built on blood and bone, Street Fighter upon its as yet unmatched colourful characters, Tekken sells itself on the (overly) dramatic story line of the Mishima/Kazama family.

There's lots of crossover, Tekken is not exactly short of good looking men and women, nor is Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat. But it isn't what leaps to mind immediately when you think about them.

I have no idea what Soul Calibur's 'thing' was. The weapons perhaps?

SC was Tekken with weapons and bewbs! In the later game starting 3, most of the women either grew chest sizes, got more revealing clothing, or both.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Yes the weapons Gordon_4.

I am still sad that Soul Calibur does not have the dramatic storylines an cutscenes likes in the Tekken games. The Soul Calibur universe could easily have the same cinematic presentation.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Soul Calibur

Dead or Alive

Of that picture, Honoka is best Waifu.

And really you picked the most tame of the swimsuits.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

I have no idea what Soul Calibur's 'thing' was. The weapons perhaps?

Hmmm...maybe. It kind of felt a bit like a fantasy RPG, but a fighting game. There was a certain spectacle to the fights that stood out at the time as well. You could pick up a controller without having ever played it and look like a badass by randomly tapping a few buttons.