Dead or Alive, do you think it is sexist?

[Vrex360]

Whenever I see people playing games like Dead or Alive, or Soul Calibur or just about any Japenese fighting game the women represtented are always impossibly gorgeous skinny women with gigantic, GIGANTIC fucking tits. These boobs bounce around all the time, they giggle and even wear revealing clothes.
This isn't just fighting games alone, there are also plenty other cases of women wearing almost no clothes with big boobs, in Tomb Raider Ninja Gaiden and so many others I honestly lost count.
I have noticed that whenever people make a 'top ten women of gaming' list they usually list the women based on how sexy they are which feels misogynistic. What is your opinion on this matter? Why do you think the game industry has been doing this for so long and should we tolerate it?

 

[Corpse XxX]

Sex sells.. Easy as..

 

[Ryuzix]

Sex sells.. Easy as..

QFT

 

[Legion]

You again? For the love of [Insert deity here] stop with the thread spamming!

Sex sells, the majority of gamers are heterosexual males, doesn't get more complicated than that.

 

[Theo Samaritan]

You have to bare in mind that these games come from a society that is still somewhat acceptant of the idea that women are under men in the hierarchy.

The reason I mention this is because in Japan women tend to be objectified in a different degree than in America or Europe, so they can get away with being more revealing than you would expect from western games.

 

[hermes]

Well, Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive were designed by the same guy, so that is not a coincidence.
And yes, the game is sexist. It is also aiming to juvenile, single male gamers; So, as people say: know your audience...

 

[Logan Westbrook]

Essentially, anything that Tomonobu Itagaki touches is packed to the gills with sex and violence. In my opinion, he's something of a liability if we want gaming to be taken seriously as a medium.

 

[Same River New Water]

Hell, fighting games are just chock full of all kinds of stereotypes and eye candy. They're sexist to women (boobs), sexist to men (biceps) and racist to all colours of the rainbow - though in a mostly harmless way, just basing each character around a) the country his or her fighting style is from, and b) the stereotype of people from that country.

For my money, Leigh Alexander of Sexy Videogameland is all over this topic. Here's what she had to say about Soul Calibur, for example (for Kotaku):
http://kotaku.com/5024241/body-types-why-ivys-boobs-are-such-a-big-big-deal

 

[JaguarWong]

I'm not sure how portraying women as at least the equal of their male counterparts - as well as being physically attractive - is sexist?

 

[Ultress]

Games about overweight ugly people don't sell too well(Basing this off my experice,don't flame me). Most people want to play as someone attractive,maybe that's just me (i'm extremly vain depite being an ugly son of a *****)

 

[bkd69]

You're obviously unfamiliar with the law of inverse distaff coverage protection.

 

[Librarian Mike]

Dead or Alive is particularly gratuitous, but it speaks to the larger issue that video games eventually need to grow up if they want to be taken seriously.

 

[Grimm91]

Search button was invented for a reason. As I have found sex sells no matter what. Why do you think porn is such a successful industry? Wrong ,yes but people do anything for a buck. Thats just the way it is. Live with it, I hate DOA with a passion but if the games sells Team Ninja will keep pumping it out.

 

[beddo]

Whenever I see people playing games like Dead or Alive, or Soul Calibur or just about any Japenese fighting game the women represtented are always impossibly gorgeous skinny women with gigantic, GIGANTIC fucking tits. These boobs bounce around all the time, they giggle and even wear revealing clothes.
This isn't just fighting games alone, there are also plenty other cases of women wearing almost no clothes with big boobs, in Tomb Raider Ninja Gaiden and so many others I honestly lost count.
I have noticed that whenever people make a 'top ten women of gaming' list they usually list the women based on how sexy they are which feels misogynistic. What is your opinion on this matter? Why do you think the game industry has been doing this for so long and should we tolerate it?

I don't think you understand the definition of sexist.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Is it sexist? No. Because that means it would be taking only one gender unrealistically. The men in DOA are hardly normal either. Methinks some people really need to understand the difference between sexist and demeaning.

 

[cherimoya]

why do all "sexism in videogames" conversations on the internet eventually (or immediately) devolve into duels between earnest, sensitive (male) posters denouncing sexism and misogyny in their chosen hobby ("...there ARE beautiful, single, girl-gamers out there, and they're gonna read MY post and love it...") and the cartoonishly brash (male) posters who love the piss-take and overdo the hooters-in-the-kitchen jokes (while loving the fact that women haven't found a way to kick anyone in the groin via broadband yet)?

i guess the feminist in me would hope that women have better things to do with their time (like playing videogames...) than discussing videogame sexism on a messageboard, if that makes sense.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

Is it sexist? No. Because that means it would be taking only one gender unrealistically. The men in DOA are hardly normal either. Methinks some people really need to understand the difference between sexist and demeaning.

No, but they do conform to normal male wish fulfilment fantasies.

 

[Robyrt]

Dead or Alive is expressly a cheesecake game. I hold it to about as high a cultural standard as shows like The O.C. (or for the older crowd, Baywatch).

If I was really worried about the Patriarchy in my fighting games, I'd be investigating Street Fighter 4, and how fanservice characters like Sakura and Cammy are inserted into the cast right along empowering, sensible females like Chun-Li and Rose, without a comment on how ridiculous it is.

 

[keptsimple]

Dead or Alive may be sexist, but it's sexist in such an unbelievably childish way that it's more embarrassing than offensive. I think I was about 15 when I played the first DOA, and even then I felt like I was too old for the breast-bouncing visuals.