Designer: It's OK If You Don't Like Kane & Lynch 2
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...somebody you know?Xanadu84 said:
OT: Meh. Never played it or the original. Never had any interest with so many other/better shooters out. May try it out eventually, just to see which side of the hate it/love it fence I fall on.
I don't think its about likable characters or people "not getting it" its about good or poor implementation.
Take the Dark Knight for example, a gritty and realistic film about 1 psychopathic mass murderer and 1 dark and brooding vigilante. Its one of the highest grossing and critically acclaimed films of the last decade (if not the most). So clearly the problem is not that people "don't get it" or "can't take it" but that the Dark Knight has very good writing, while Kane and Lynch doesn't.
This argument may be valid if they made a game that was artistically challenging, like 8 1/2 is to movies, Captain Beefheart is to music or Gravity's Rainbow is to books, but from what I've heard it just isn't.
Take the Dark Knight for example, a gritty and realistic film about 1 psychopathic mass murderer and 1 dark and brooding vigilante. Its one of the highest grossing and critically acclaimed films of the last decade (if not the most). So clearly the problem is not that people "don't get it" or "can't take it" but that the Dark Knight has very good writing, while Kane and Lynch doesn't.
This argument may be valid if they made a game that was artistically challenging, like 8 1/2 is to movies, Captain Beefheart is to music or Gravity's Rainbow is to books, but from what I've heard it just isn't.
Strangely enough this game kinda reminds me of that movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Both movie and game contain two crazy people as protagonists(one being crazy in a different way from the other) getting sidetracked from their initial goals due to their own insanity/impulsiveness/stupidity, causing a massive fubar in the process, and both results in an ending that's left ambiguous (i.e. one has both people getting on an airplane, and the other has one getting one an airplane and the other drive to L.A.).
By all accounts that movie should suck and yet I love it.
By all accounts this game sucks and yet there are probably people who love it too.
By all accounts that movie should suck and yet I love it.
By all accounts this game sucks and yet there are probably people who love it too.
Instead of arse-ing around with your Goddamn Kane and Lynch sequel, how about you give me Freedom Fighters 2???
I HAVE WAITED LONG ENOUGH!
I HAVE WAITED LONG ENOUGH!
Well then what are you supposed to say? "Our game is a piece of shit but feel free to like it?"The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
He wasn't supposed to acknowledge genuine flaws, he was supposed to note that the broad style of the game is in a different ball park and out of many people's comfort zones. Did he ever claim there were not genuine flaws in it? No, and I think it seems like he intentionally left holes to signify there are some issues. All he's saying is that it's not for everyone, an important distinction to make when most video games are firing at the broadest target these days.
I had an opinion to offer and you got there before me... I am now wordless, except for stating said fact...Ultratwinkie said:
Just fuckin' with ya!
This is some grade A bullshit, Kane and Lynch should be ditched in favour of IO's successful and popular franchise, Hitman!
Keep in mind that Jim Sterling is the guy who gave it a 1/10, and he's not very bright.The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
This honestly, is my pick of the year.
:/ its possibly the most memorible game ive played all year. ((next to Dead raising 2))
With the halos, i cant tell where the story begins, and where it ends.
Ive played and beaten them all half a dozen times, and i cant remember anything in perticular that stood out. ((other then the horrible, downward spiral the story began to follow))
With Kayne and Lynch 2, i remember every detail. Every gritty scene.
I got it. And because i got it, i loved it.
While it may sound "chilidish" or " pompous and pretentious" to say "You just dont get it", ITS TRUE!
I got it. I saw where they were going. Sure, the ending sucked hard, but thats the only honest gripe i have about the game. And even then, i can see what they did with it. No happy ending. No sad ending. Just an ending. Cut, print, edit. So that the next game ((which i seriously hope is made)) has a good, easy referance point to start off on.
Is different. And different is eather loved or hated.
Halo Reach: A copy paste of Halo ODST with nicer graphics and retexured guns. It wasnt different in any respect. It felt like i was playing a DLC for halo 3. And i hate that. I hate it alot. The only big differance is that the game mode select and "Match making" ((if you can call it that)) are completely broken.
I would give Halo reach a 2/10. I wouldent buy it. If you offered it to me, i wouldent accept it. If you taped it to my arm, i would rip my arm off, and beat you with it until you removed the game for me, so i wouldent have to touch it.
Kayne and Lynch 2, i would give a 7/10. It wasnt perfict, but nothing is. But its better then the re-used, over-done, wannabe space marines known as "spartans".
THIS IS NOT SPARTA!! (Throws Halo Reach into a bottomless pit)
:/ its possibly the most memorible game ive played all year. ((next to Dead raising 2))
With the halos, i cant tell where the story begins, and where it ends.
Ive played and beaten them all half a dozen times, and i cant remember anything in perticular that stood out. ((other then the horrible, downward spiral the story began to follow))
With Kayne and Lynch 2, i remember every detail. Every gritty scene.
I got it. And because i got it, i loved it.
While it may sound "chilidish" or " pompous and pretentious" to say "You just dont get it", ITS TRUE!
I got it. I saw where they were going. Sure, the ending sucked hard, but thats the only honest gripe i have about the game. And even then, i can see what they did with it. No happy ending. No sad ending. Just an ending. Cut, print, edit. So that the next game ((which i seriously hope is made)) has a good, easy referance point to start off on.
Is different. And different is eather loved or hated.
Halo Reach: A copy paste of Halo ODST with nicer graphics and retexured guns. It wasnt different in any respect. It felt like i was playing a DLC for halo 3. And i hate that. I hate it alot. The only big differance is that the game mode select and "Match making" ((if you can call it that)) are completely broken.
I would give Halo reach a 2/10. I wouldent buy it. If you offered it to me, i wouldent accept it. If you taped it to my arm, i would rip my arm off, and beat you with it until you removed the game for me, so i wouldent have to touch it.
Kayne and Lynch 2, i would give a 7/10. It wasnt perfict, but nothing is. But its better then the re-used, over-done, wannabe space marines known as "spartans".
THIS IS NOT SPARTA!! (Throws Halo Reach into a bottomless pit)
But still less so than the aformentioned "You werent playing it right, dipshit." that seems to be growing in strength among developers.Ultratwinkie said:
He also implied afterwards that the "not getting it" part was due to everyone having a varying taste in media, which is absolutely true due to taste being a subjectively used term. BUT I'd also say you don't have to "get it" (or in other words: to show understanding) to like anything therefore until he continued onto the subject of taste he said nothing.burntheartist said:
IMO apparently you did get Avatar, you just forgot the dumbed down and shiny part of the basic Pocahontas plot (of course there are even earlier versions of this plot but can't remember any at the moment). My theory is those who somehow liked Avatar were too distracted by the shiny things to realize the rest was fluff and people tend to be more comfortable with humans prejudiced against aliens (or anything non-human really) instead of humans prejudiced against themselves.
Avatar is nothing but visual wankery, shallow characters, and an overused message - there's nothing to 'get' besides pretty colours. Some people put a priority on that, I guess. From what I gather, Kayne and Lynch was dismissed because of design flaws and lack of polish, not beause it's some sort of revolutionary new form of video game that only a few intellectual paragons can grasp.burntheartist said:
I tend to not read reviews except for laughs so I wouldn't knowCynicalMarcus said:
He's bypassing all those genuine critiques by saying that it isn't for everyone (ie. the people who didn't like it). What he's saying isBlue_vision said:
"People didn't like it not because there were some big problems with the game, but rather because they 'don't get it'."
presumably because glaring issues are a big new craze that would be able to catch on if only people could grasp the brilliance at play. It would probably have been a bad move to say it was a piece of shit, but he could have at least come up with a better explanation for why everyone thought it was.
The game is boring and short. And multiplayer is also boring. Every shootout is the same, it gets old after half an our. It's maybe a good thing that the game doesn't last long because it was a pain in the ass to play it's 4 hour campaign. Story is shallow and I didn't care for it at all. Playing as Lynch wasn't as fun as it should be. In the first game it was all about Kane. It was his story and he was the main character. And in this game it's again all about Kane and his deal. Well, it certainly felt like it was more about him. And Lynch was the guy you play as. So that was another big fail.
But that was because V for Vendetta is a good movie. Just because Dark Void sucked doesn't mean I didn't understand it. I understand it perfectly. It was an unfinished mess hardly worth the $10 I paid for it.Blue_vision said: