- Jan 29, 2009
First person is their thing (you have the right to have your opinion and so you can not like their games for that reason).Azaraxzealot said:my problem with Valve? either all their games are in first person, highly linear (i like free-roaming games the best), or they just bought the right to a somewhat finished product from someone else (L4D and DoTA spring to mind). I have yet to see them break out of their comfort zone and make something completely different.The_root_of_all_evil said:Not gonna flame, just gonna re-assess your points.Gorilla Gunk said:Going to get flamed for this but: Valve.
. take too long: So they should be whipped to work faster?
. DNF wasn't good: So no-one should ever strive again?
. "as a PC developer, they don't have a great relationship with consoles." Really?
. "They're just doing it for the money". Unlike every other company ever.
. 'We want everybody to enjoy our games!' - They probably do, y'know. All game developers want people to enjoy their games.
. the console release of TF2 - Valve attempted to fix that a number of times, but were just held to insane rules.
. pedestal theory - pointing out flaws in emotional, rather than logical arguments, isn't a pedestal. It's just that all of your flaws can be applied to other manufacturers and more. Even if we accept all of your criticisms as true, there are companies far worse.
. shoddy business: Care to give some examples?
. "We're going to release some community maps as DLC for the consoles!" And they might, but it's a little harsh to attack someone before they've had chance to fulfil their promise, isn't it?
Now if you still want to hate Valve because you don't like black and grey artwork, or the bald guy creeps you out or it once looked at your bird funny then fair enough.
But you don't seem to have any solid evidence to hate them, just feelings and misinformation.
My own personal hate figure is pretty obvious, but that's because of dodgy business practices, multiple lawsuits, suit-dodging, jack-booted non-payment and strip-mining IPS. All of which I've got a nice bookmarked link for. I could also hate them for all of your Valve reasons, but they're feelings rather than facts.
But L4D was a valve title so I don't know what you are talking about. Also, comfort zone, what comfort zone. After literally making only half life one they come up with the zany tf1 precusrsor to the awesome online only comedy team shooter that is TF2. They took a step into an unknown not only for them but for all of gaming with a dark humour first person puzzler (portal). And then L4D, in my opinion one of the best zombie games of all time was radically different from their other titles. They actually said, we have done fpses (with some slow headcrab zombies admittedly) lets just take that and make a game in a completely different (zombie) genre. Everything they do is steppin out of the comfort zone. If it works they make sequels and there is no crime in valves sequels.