dingrats: "Just Loot It"

[Kaisharga]

Can you make one better? No, you probably can't so stop bad mouthing it when you have no idea what it's about

This is among the least convincing arguments ever. We are perfectly capable of evaluating something's worth even if we do not work in that craft. If you actually believe this line of reasoning, you have no right to ever complain about any computer malfunction ever again for the rest of your life. Thanks.

And it's not that it's just not Zero Punctuation. Most of the people here that I've seen are of the stance that it's perfectly acceptable for Mr. Croshaw to take a week off, because it's m.f-ing Xmas. He can have a week off. He can have two, as far as I'm concerned, or however many as long as what he DOES put out is of good quality and continues to be entertaining. But then again, I read Absurd Notions, which updates maybe quarterly. Your mileage may vary.

The problem here is that the video is bad.

I will agree with the others that visually it is acceptable, though it gets repetitive at points. This is, to an extent, necessary with a Warcraft-based video sequence; there are only so many ways you can make a character look like they're talking, and these get ridiculous amounts of use. If you see enough Warcraft videos or actually play World Of, then you stop seeing this as characters talking and start seeing them as /laugh or /talk or whatever the commands are. Which really takes away from the presentation, rather than adding to it as such visuals should. This issue is mostly with the choice to use Warcraft as the medium, rather than some other more robust polygon animation business.

Next comes the issue of the 'flow,' which I will continue to beat the dead horse in saying that it's not good at all. If you need time to figure out what you're going to say, write it down first. If you can't get it out fast enough on the mic, then you have audio editing tools--use them to take out the blank spaces. The monotone doesn't help either, and slightly more advanced audio techniques (overlays, strategic silences, etc) would have made a huge difference. I won't criticize the choice of song to parody, because really, that's artistic liberty, and it CAN be done well with that track. It just wasn't this time.

And now the content. For what it was talking about, I guess it was all right. There was a variety of 'supporting points' as it were, different things that were rapped about. But the thing is that it's still talking about what is easily one of the more asinine behaviors in the game, and thus less likely to be a laughing matter generally speaking. Bad choice.

Okay, we've brought some serious, substantive arguments to the table. Apologists, your turn.

 

[Ranzel]

I love how its generaly agreed that this really isn't good, at all, then one guy comes in, says everyones opinions are wrong, and people show up and agree with him.

What the heck?

This was terrible. No ones being "stuck up". A few people are being asses about it, but saying everyone who says this is bad is only upset about the lack of yahtzee, now that generalizing. It's VERY understandably Yahtzee took a break, I expected it.

It's my opinion that this movie was terrible. It was not funny, it was not clever, and it was not enjoyable in anyway. No, im not just generalizing because its a WoW video (which ARE overdone, by the way). I honestly and legitimately find this video to be horrendous. Go ahead and try again, no one has said "WTF WAS THAT, DON'T EVER TRY TO MAKE A VIDEO AGAIN". Here's my suggestion, though: Try being original. WoW is overdone.

 

[Saltiness]

My opinion about this relates very little to ZP being here this week, as ZP is not the only thing I read escapist for (notice my complete lack of ZP posts?).

The video is just bad. "oh go make one yourself". Why? I have neither the time or the skills required to do such a thing, and my end product would end up being a video people commented on as being shit, bad, etc. Sound familiar?

If it's simply about the creator increasing his skills with writing, video animation and what not then making it a rather publicised debut such as this is probably not the smartest way to go about it.

 

[Kirethidae]

Ok, first I never ever said that you are all complaining because Yahtzee has took a break. Read my posts. If you are not saying that about me then sorry, my mistakes, but it does sound that way.

Second, this is completely different to a computer malfunction. And, if I had a computer malfunction I would read up on it, whereas I doubt any of you who don't play Warcraft read up on it? And if you say that that is completely different, then congratulations on contradicting yourself.

Third, yes, Yahtzee is good at what he does, but really I'm sure that anyone with enough and the right humour could do what he does. I'm not saying that making Zero Punctuation videos are easy, I'm just saying that he isn't really limited to a certain game's graphics and such. I know that you said that he was limited to the ways you can get someone to look like they are talking in WoW but that does make it VERY hard for it not to get kind of repetitive. So, basically I'm saying that Yahtzee is good at what he does and Nyhm is good at what he does, because he is limited and that's why you are complaining really, he can't do much better.

Fourth, the lyrics are also hard to do because he is limited to a song's tune and so he can't really sing exactly what he wants to because of the chosen song's restrictions.

Fifth, why am I also writing a book?

 

[incoherent]

I'm an avid WoW player and I was thoroughly unimpressed, and will certainly not be seeking this series out on Warcry, if that was the intention. I even watched the whole thing despite my instincts not to, on the grounds that (a) it has to get funny eventually, right?, and (b) I'm a masochist.

The best way to sum up my critique is that it tries way too hard. The more you have to try to make something funny, the less funny it becomes.

 

[xMacx]

You probably won't get it if you don't play WoW so the easiest thing to do is just shut up.

You seem pretty bent out of shape about the whole thing. Need a hug?


I would argue to the above statement that user feedback guides the content on a site. When I see something that I believe is so far below the general standard of site content, I'm going to make my voice heard. This ensures that those running the site know that the response to the video was not positive.

To "just shut up", as you suggested, would tacitly imply that the video was acceptable and that I felt no need to comment (after all, I did click on it, and in web analytics terms, clicking = popularity). That would be irresponsible. Worse still, that could give the site owners reason to believe that I might want to see a string of these videos, which be about as far from the truth as possible.

 

[Kirethidae]

No, I'm fine thanks, I don't really need a hug.

I actually agree with your point there and cannot argue against that really.

When I said "just shut up" I didn't really mean it like for you not to comment with your opinion and all, I really meant that you should stop complaining about how not funny some of the stuff is when clearly you wouldn't get it. I was wrong in saying "shut up" and should have phrased it better.

Hope that clears somethings up for you, give yourself a hug.

 

[SonofSeth]

I watched about 38 seconds of that before I headed for the comments section in disgust, so I'm not gonna judge whether this was any good or not, but I'm willing to bet that it's more in the "Not" section.

Nice, I lasted litle longer but came here with the same attitude and find this as the first post /cheer

 

[PurpleRain]

y r all of u saying this is bad i though it was great. Likely none of u play WoW or u spam chuck norris jokes all day in ur cap. and ballad of the noob was stupid ive no clue y u all like it.

You probably won't get it if you don't play WoW so the easiest thing to do is just shut up. "Everybody to the Zul'Aman door" isn't supposed to be funny. Zul'Aman is the newest dungeon in WoW and it's a statement not something supposed to be "FUNNY, RITE? I GET THE REFERENCE LOL. HAHAHA THAT WAS SOO RANDOM!".

Can you make one better? No, you probably can't so stop bad mouthing it when you have no idea what it's about because you don't play WoW and you're also a dead religious leader...

Whoa. This thread is a retard trap. I'm getting out of here before it makes stupider.

 

[Arbre]

In all honesty, once you've seen 2 YMCA videos, you've seen enough.
Besides, they're made with gestured emotes from the game, right?
That's makes it all the more embarassing, especially since the dances themselves don't seem to have anything to do with the universe at hand.
Globally, it just reeks of childish jokes and it's horribly forced.
It's really that bad, and I don't know what crossed WarCry's minds.

 

[Hikikomori]

Its easier to say "I dislike this video. I would not recommend to others." than trying to start a flame war, isn't it?

I do like this video, and recommend you to follow the link to http://www.madcow-studios.com/ and continue to watch the other video's he has made. He has even funnier ones there. Thank you for reading my post.

It's really not that hard to do that... Also, i think you hurt Nyhm's feelings. He said he "wont be doing anything like this again".
Good job. I guess if you QQ enough, you get things done.

 

[BonsaiK]

I don't like flame wars any more than the next person. So in the spirit of reducing flame wars:

I dislike this video. I would not recommend it to others.

At your suggestion, I went and watched his other videos at the provided link. I also do not like those videos, and I would not recommend them to others.

In fact, "just loot it", for all its faults (and there are many), is actually a better video than the others on his site. It's definitely his best one yet so even though it's undoubtedly of poor quality at least he is improving, which is good. He shouldn't be discouraged from making videos, but if he is going to put them out in the public eye, he has to be prepared for what the public might think of them.

Don't get me wrong though: the man is not without talent. In particular, he's got a good eye for cinematography and image design. He should get together with some people who really understand humour and satire, and he'd probably start cranking out some excellent material. At the moment he's trying to bite off more than he's capable of. He shouldn't feel bad. Not everybody understands how humour works, just like not everyone understands music, or cinematics. Some people just don't have the innate ability, or the skills required for all these things. Which is fine, not everybody can be good at everything. I think he's got a bright future in cinematography, he should try his hand at directing some real music videos for music artists, I think he'd be fantastic at that.

 

[Ghandi 2]

It's really not that hard to do that... Also, i think you hurt Nyhm's feelings. He said he "wont be doing anything like this again".
Good job. I guess if you QQ enough, you get things done.

Well that's a good thing, right? He's only embarassing himself with this. I'll reiterate that the visuals were actually pretty good, and he could probably make something good if he got someone who understands humor more. Or at all, really.

You probably won't get it if you don't play WoW so the easiest thing to do is just shut up. "Everybody to the Zul'Aman door" isn't supposed to be funny. Zul'Aman is the newest dungeon in WoW and it's a statement not something supposed to be "FUNNY, RITE? I GET THE REFERENCE LOL. HAHAHA THAT WAS SOO RANDOM!".

Can you make one better? No, you probably can't so stop bad mouthing it when you have no idea what it's about because you don't play WoW and you're also a dead religious leader...

Well if that part isn't supposed to be funny than I don't understand where any of the humor is supposed to lie.
Actually, I probably could, but that's not the point. He is putting something out there, and we have the right to criticize it because we want him to do better/be less stupid things on the internet/whatever. If he didn't want to be criticized, he shouldn't have released it, and our ability has nothing to do with our judgement of its quality. It's the worst defense in the world to say that, and I don't understand how people continue to think that it's a valid argument, especially for things that require much more time and money (like books and games). Do you never say anything bad about a game just because you don't have the ability to write Halo 3 by yourself from scratch?
That comment about my name is the dumbest things I've seen on this forum.

 

[MADCOWNYHM]

Hah,

I wouldnt say that you hurt my feelings, if you think ive never heard these type of comments before your crazy. As far as not doing anything like this again, I only meant making movies for money for other sites. I enjoy doing this, and there are many (like 4 million on youtube alone) that love the things I do. I really enjoy doing this and I will continue to do so, but it will be put out for the proper audience, which Escapist is obviously not.

As far as flames and opinions go, I have no issue with ppl disliking what I do, its certainly not for everyone! Your not bothering me posting negativity about it, you have the right to an opinion, even if its not the one Id like you to have And for the few people on here that did enjoy it, Thank you, I am glad. Its you that I make these things for.

Despite the negative comments, I appreciate some of the nice things that were said as well. Dont worry, youll have yahtzee back soon enough and everything can be back to normal for you all. Thanks for watching the video though, even through the hate I can still find a bit of constructive critisism, which will only help me in future videos.

Wall o Text crits you for 20,000
You Die

-Nyhm
(escapist registered the name Nyhm so I guess I cant use it)

 

[portuga-man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0sdwQtKA4M
(from 2:35 to 3:35, for those who want to skip it all)

This is what i mean. One of them is an fps fan, the other is an rts fan. both talk about the stuff they do ingame, but what could be a great chat between 2 fps/rts fans becomes a crash of worlds. none of then know what the other part is talking about, simply because one knows nothing about fps's and the other knows nothing about rts's. The majority of the ppl at escapist don't play mmo's, so talking to them about that is like having this kind of conversation.

I keep my opinion. I didn't like the vid, but everyone has room for improvement.

 

[BonsaiK]

I know plenty about MMOs. I do play MMOs.

This fact doesn't change the way I feel about the video(s).

I think Nhym has the right attitude about our feedback.

 

[Kaisharga]

Allow me to echo BonsaiK's statements.

 

[McMo0^]

seeing as i have a fiery hatred of WoW for how many of my good friends it has stolen, i probably can't comment on it, but could i stress that if there are to be any more WoW machanima (or whatever videos), Please put WoW in the description or something cos Machinamanana is a new term to me.

The Lyrics were aimed at wow fans so probably better for them, but the general rpg refrences were predictable, i mean come on, stop, manatime?

I also think that WoW emote videos have now been done to death, i thought the YMCA one was feckin hilarious, and in itself nearly tempted me to the darkside.

I'm sure you put a lot of effort into it, and i'm sure some people liked it, from the general appearance of this thread, its a no. I personally hope that yahtzee got his hands on some terrible games for christmas so that when he comes back, the ranting will be full force.

And as another little, woohoo look at me moan thing, surly mentioning yahtzee in the discription is asking for trouble, i came into this expecting a yahtzee style presentation, i found my self assaulted by more MMORPG Random video...ness?

 

[seifersan9]

nyhm if u bother to read this comment board dont worry they all play everquest lol