Discovering Vtubers has been a great stress relief for me this year

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I did fall into this rabbit admittedly but I sort of got out? I want to watch them but lately Youtube has been weird for me and has been buffering a lot during streams in general which makes it hard for me to watch Vtubers normally. I could watch the vods but there's just so much to go through atm. lol

That said though I really love Pikamee


She's just really funny.
 

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That said though I really love Pikamee
Out of all the ones I know, Pikamee's intro is definitely my favorite, and a perfect example of the juxtaposition of memes and cutesiness I talked about. Her intro loop looks like something you'd see on a kindergarten wall, but she's playing a recorder really, really badly, and she's played games like Last of Us, which contrast even further with her extremely cartoony avatar.
 
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I did fall into this rabbit admittedly but I sort of got out? I want to watch them but lately Youtube has been weird for me and has been buffering a lot during streams in general which makes it hard for me to watch Vtubers normally. I could watch the vods but there's just so much to go through atm. lol

That said though I really love Pikamee


She's just really funny.
Only clip of hers I've seen is from her playthrough of GTA 5.

Warning, it has the N-word in it, the game I mean, so you know, NSFW and all that.


Her reaction is great.
 
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I started watching Vtubers about a week before HoloMyth's debut.


This was the video that really got me into them. It's nice to see lots of different people interacting with each other. It's also reinvigorated my faith in the opposite sex. In a world where the only women promoted are heavily political and with bad personalities, it's nice to see very talented, charismatic and funny women outside of my immediate social circle.

It seems to be more attractive to women and I suspect it's because it gives them distance from the swarms of the internet since they aren't showing themselves and have to worry less about people finding out who they are and the more perverted angle which is that sexual desires in things like art can be directed towards an avatar rather than themselves.



One of them, Calliope, got to the top of the rap charts in several countries not that long ago.
I mean, you realize these women are just pandering to anime otaku, before getting railed by some hung 22 year old football star. They don't actually care about their audience, and honestly, they probably have a completely different personality in real life. I wouldn't base your faith in women, or lack thereof, on jack off material and smut.
 
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I mean, you realize these women are just pandering to anime otaku, before getting railed by some hung 22 year old football star. They don't actually care about their audience, and honestly, they probably have a completely different personality in real life. I wouldn't base your faith in women, or lack thereof, on jack off material and smut.


Been a while since I've been able to bust this meme out. This comment is legit some hardcore incel shit if you're indeed being serious. If it's pandering, why go through all the extra steps of character design and using an avatar when they could just be booby streamers doing cosplay? Why bother doing streams that last an entire day (I know one who's done a 24-hour Assassin's Creed stream) when you could just prance on camera for a couple of hours? Why bother doing logistically straining things like singing streams or collabs with other Vtubers (by which I mean streams where they actually are in the same location)?

And even if it's pandering, I'll take pandering with some actual personality over the zillion gabillion vapid bimbos on Instagram any day. Compared to that the average Vtuber is about as sexual as Peppa the Pig.
 
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Been a while since I've been able to bust this meme out. This comment is legit some hardcore incel shit if you're indeed being serious. If it's pandering, why go through all the extra steps of character design and using an avatar when they could just be booby streamers doing cosplay? Why bother doing streams that last an entire day (I know one who's done a 24-hour Assassin's Creed stream) when you could just prance on camera for a couple of hours? Why bother doing logistically straining things like singing streams or collabs with other Vtubers (by which I mean streams where they actually are in the same location)?

And even if it's pandering, I'll take pandering with some actual personality over the zillion gabillion vapid bimbos on Instagram any day. Compared to that the average Vtuber is about as sexual as Peppa the Pig.
lol, bro, how is it incel shit? I admire the hustle. If these women can make money by pandering to silly "nice guy" otaku, while making it with their normal, socially well adjusted himbo boyfriends, then good for them.

My criticism is for the people who say that their view of women was rescued by a group of women who specifically make their living by pandering to masses of otaku homebodies. Like, of course their nice, it's how they make a living.

seriously, it's like some people's only experiance with women is getting angry at internet feminists.
 
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I mean, you realize these women are just pandering to anime otaku, before getting railed by some hung 22 year old football star. They don't actually care about their audience, and honestly, they probably have a completely different personality in real life. I wouldn't base your faith in women, or lack thereof, on jack off material and smut.
I suspect most people are in on this joke, that being 'Look, an obviously mo-capped anime girl playing videogames'. It's just shallow, silly fun no different from other well-known let's players.
 

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I suspect most people are in on this joke, that being 'Look, an obviously mo-capped anime girl playing videogames'. It's just shallow, silly fun no different from other well-known let's players.
That's fine. I'd be up for becoming a vtuber myself.

I just find it humorous that some people are saying that their view of women as a whole has been rescued by... vtubers.
 
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lol, bro, how is it incel shit?
Seriously?

before getting railed by some hung 22 year old football star
... I wouldn't base your faith in women, or lack thereof, on jack off material and smut
If you're talking about getting railed by "hung football stars" and then say you were just referring to these people having normal relationships outside their Vtuber status, or characterize content where a covered-up borderline 2D image stays in the same spot for hours on end as "jack off material" in this day and age, you've either got a very weird taste for parallels or you've absorbed vocabulary from some very toxic parts of the internet.

However, I do agree that saying that
In a world where the only women promoted are heavily political and with bad personalities
is fucking stupid. That statement can only ever seem valid to massive shut-ins who only watch alt-right videos and as a result think the only women promoted in the world are either Lena Dunham or Brie Larson.
 
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Seriously?


If you're talking about getting railed by "hung football stars" and then say you were just referring to these people having normal relationships outside their Vtuber status, or characterize content where a covered-up borderline 2D image stays in the same spot for hours on end as "jack off material" in this day and age, you've either got a very weird taste for parallels or you've absorbed vocabulary from some very toxic parts of the internet.

However, I do agree that saying that

is fucking stupid. That statement can only ever seem valid to massive shut-ins who only watch alt-right videos and as a result think the only women promoted in the world are either Lena Dunham or Brie Larson.
Why? I never said any of that is bad. Quite the opposite, I'm happy for them. I was merely pointing out that none of these women are interested in the kinds of men who sit at home all day watching virtual anime girls strip on pornhub. They probably have nice, normal, well adjusted significant others. So saying that your opinion of women has been saved by vtubers, when the vtubers in question are clearly putting on a show, is silly.

As for them being jack off material, they are. You have obvious ones, like project melody, who literally have porn accounts where their avatars get naked. But you also have people like nyanners, who don't get naked, but who make ASMR videos, and tell sex jokes in very high pitched, fetishistic voices. Or who sing very sexualy charged songs in cutesy anime voices. She's appealing to the 4chan otaku crown pretty hard. Even more vanilla stars, like kizuna AI, are appealing to otaku waifu culture. The sexual element is there to a lesser or greater extent depending on the star, but it's there for almost all of them.

About the only exception I can think of is a hobbyist like temmie change, who works in animation, art, and video game development.
 
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Sorry, but I just can't let this go. If you truly believe the kind of language you've used here is somewhat neutral and doesn't have any underlying judgment, you have to realize it's literally indistinguishable from what you'd see on incel forums.

I was merely pointing out that none of these women are interested in the kinds of men who sit at home all day watching virtual anime girls strip on pornhub.
This sentence alone implies an assumption on your part that the only reason men would watch female Vtubers is romantic or sexual interest. Which is obviously false. Is it really that hard to believe that guys can watch content made by women because they think it's entertaining? And besides Projekt Melody, what other virtual camgirls of any status are there? How many can you name?

So saying that your opinion of women has been saved by vtubers, when the vtubers in question are clearly putting on a show, is silly.
And why is this any sillier than any other way people say online content has in some way improved their lives or mindset? Go to pretty much any big or even mid-size Let's Play channel's comment section and you'll soon find someone thanking the let's player for getting them through tough times or with depression. I think it's totally fair to say watching Vtubers can improve one's outlook on women. If one has a troubled family history, multiple bad breakups, doesn't have any female friends etc. then I can totally believe that seeing something that's outside of that, even if it's from Vtubers, can change their mindset.

And is Vtubers "putting on a show" supposed to be some sort of indictment against the authenticity of their content? News flash: every online content creator puts on a show. To varying degrees obviously, but to use this argument to imply that Vtubers doing the exact same thing is somehow uniquely bad or negative in this regard is just ridiculous.

As for them being jack off material, they are. You have obvious ones, like project melody, who literally have porn accounts where their avatars get naked. But you also have people like nyanners, who don't get naked, but who make ASMR videos, and tell sex jokes in very high pitched, fetishistic voices. Or who sing very sexualy charged songs in cutesy anime voices. She's appealing to the 4chan otaku crown pretty hard. Even more vanilla stars, like kizuna AI, are appealing to otaku waifu culture. The sexual element is there to a lesser or greater extent depending on the star, but it's there for almost all of them.

About the only exception I can think of is a hobbyist like temmie change, who works in animation, art, and video game development.
Again with this assumption of guys only watching Vtubers for the sexual element. Having a sexual element =/= being jack off material. If telling sexual jokes or singing sexually charged jokes makes something jack off material, then I guess Ninja Sex Party is jack off material and literally nothing else. Yes, Nyanners does ASMR (like 3% of the time) and pervy jokes in a high-pitched voice. Is it honestly that out there to think that that's just how she is, and that she's not putting up an entirely false facade? Do you think, say, Arin from Game Grumps is also fake in that way, with his constant nonsensical rambling and dick jokes? Or is that just his persona, amplified through the filter of being on an online show.
 
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I mean, you realize these women are just pandering to anime otaku, before getting railed by some hung 22 year old football star. They don't actually care about their audience, and honestly, they probably have a completely different personality in real life. I wouldn't base your faith in women, or lack thereof, on jack off material and smut.
Uh.... No you don't understand this at all. You're confusing this with Project Melody.

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What fetish exactly is someone streaming 2 hours of them playing Where's Waldo supposed to satisfy? What fetish does watching someone draw or sing do? You do realize there are terabytes of easily accessable porn that is far FAR more titilating than a model that can barely move aside from mouth and eye movements right?
 
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However, I do agree that saying that

is fucking stupid. That statement can only ever seem valid to massive shut-ins who only watch alt-right videos and as a result think the only women promoted in the world are either Lena Dunham or Brie Larson.
Kindly sod off. Is it really so hard to believe I want to hear about talented women that are funny and have good personalities rather than what fucking voting block they're part of? How fucking "incel" of me to just want to see them as people.
 
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Sorry, but I just can't let this go. If you truly believe the kind of language you've used here is somewhat neutral and doesn't have any underlying judgment, you have to realize it's literally indistinguishable from what you'd see on incel forums.


This sentence alone implies an assumption on your part that the only reason men would watch female Vtubers is romantic or sexual interest. Which is obviously false. Is it really that hard to believe that guys can watch content made by women because they think it's entertaining? And besides Projekt Melody, what other virtual camgirls of any status are there? How many can you name?


And why is this any sillier than any other way people say online content has in some way improved their lives or mindset? Go to pretty much any big or even mid-size Let's Play channel's comment section and you'll soon find someone thanking the let's player for getting them through tough times or with depression. I think it's totally fair to say watching Vtubers can improve one's outlook on women. If one has a troubled family history, multiple bad breakups, doesn't have any female friends etc. then I can totally believe that seeing something that's outside of that, even if it's from Vtubers, can change their mindset.

And is Vtubers "putting on a show" supposed to be some sort of indictment against the authenticity of their content? News flash: every online content creator puts on a show. To varying degrees obviously, but to use this argument to imply that Vtubers doing the exact same thing is somehow uniquely bad or negative in this regard is just ridiculous.


Again with this assumption of guys only watching Vtubers for the sexual element. Having a sexual element =/= being jack off material. If telling sexual jokes or singing sexually charged jokes makes something jack off material, then I guess Ninja Sex Party is jack off material and literally nothing else. Yes, Nyanners does ASMR (like 3% of the time) and pervy jokes in a high-pitched voice. Is it honestly that out there to think that that's just how she is, and that she's not putting up an entirely false facade? Do you think, say, Arin from Game Grumps is also fake in that way, with his constant nonsensical rambling and dick jokes? Or is that just his persona, amplified through the filter of being on an online show.
I mean, you're the one who called me an incel in one sentence, and started talking about "vapid instagram bimbo's" in another. I'll have you know, I have dick on speed dial any time I want it. I'm gay, and I have more respect for women then most of the straight men here.

Like I said, I like vtubers. If I didn't, I wouldn't be interested in becoming once myself. There's nothing wrong with putting on a show. But it is a show. It's not real. So basing your entire opinion of a gender on that is ridiculous. You may as well base your opinion on women on strippers, who are paid to give you attention (and who I also greatly respect).

On another note, there's nothing wring with sex workers, which is basically what a lot of these people are. But you're gonna sit there and tell me that that ASMR shit isn't porn? Because your not fooling anyone.

Uh.... No you don't understand this at all. You're confusing this with Project Melody.

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What fetish exactly is someone streaming 2 hours of them playing Where's Waldo supposed to satisfy? What fetish does watching someone draw or sing do? You do realize there are terabytes of easily accessable porn that is far FAR more titilating than a model that can barely move aside from mouth and eye movements right?
I dunno, why do people subscribe to only fans? It's essentially the same thing. Probably the sense of community, and the personalized attention some vtubers (like melody) offer. A lot of these people are interactive. Others play to otaku waifu culture.
 
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Yeah, so respectful.
I feel like I've found the problem here. You lot are so sex negative, that any statement connected to people enjoying sex is seen as some kind of innate insult. This seems like a uniquely American perspective.

There is nothing wrong with a person enjoying an active sexual life. Quite the opposite, it is healthy and normal, as long as everyone consents.
 
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I feel like I've found the problem here. You lot are so sex negative, that any statement connected to people enjoying sex is seen as some kind of innate insult. This seems like a uniquely American perspective.

There is nothing wrong with a person enjoying an active sexual life. Quite the opposite, it is healthy and normal, as long as everyone consents.
Not the way you've been talking with that mouth. Not the issue people are having. Seriously, @fOx, cut the shit out. People are just trying to have fun, not start stupid arguments over nothing. I don't care much Vtubers, but I am sure as hell not gonna judge or look down on man and women, that enjoy them. Yes, there are women who like watching Vtubers, you can stop now.
 

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Not the way you've been talking with that mouth. Not the issue people are having. Seriously, @fOx, cut the shit out. People are just trying to have fun, not start stupid arguments over nothing. I don't care much Vtubers, but I am sure as hell not gonna judge or look down on man and women, that enjoy them. Yes, there are women who like watching Vtubers, you can stop now.
Let me ask another question. Lets say, for a moment, that I'm right, and that these vtubers are sex workers.

Why does everyone assume that that's a bad thing, or an insult?
 
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