Disney's emperimental era.

thejboy88

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Right now the Disney brand has been hitting some hard times. Rival animation studios are on the up and up and the once subsidiary company of Pixar has been growing in popularity so much that they've been heralded by some as the "only good thing about Disney these days".

Now during the 1990's Disney was going through what was arguably it's biggest line of financial and critical successes. The time known as the "Disney Rennaisance" from 1989 when they released the Little Mermaid all they way to 1999 when they released Tarzan. It was a time when their films were given a great deal of critical acclaim, popularity and big box office numbers.

Bt then the 2000's arrived. At this time many Disney films were trying to go in directions the company had never gone into before to see what worked and what didn't. This time I have dubbed the "experimental era".

For those of you who want to know exactly which films I'm talking about, here's the list:

2000 - Dinosaur.
2000 - The Emperor's New Groove.
2001 - Atlantis the Lost Empire.
2002 - Lilo and Stitch.
2002 - Treasure Planet.
2003 - brother Bear.
2004 - Home on the Range.
2005 - Chicken Little.
2007 ? Meet the Robinsons.
2008 ? Bolt.

Now, in previous animated films, Disney?s strength always laid in recreating classic fairytales with a mostly European aesthetic and character types. True, they tried going in a non-European direction with films like Mulan and Pocahontas but those films still had a fairytale element to them and were still largely in the establish story framework Disney had always worked with.

But in this new era, they tried changing that. They tried full on action films like Atlantis, comedies like New Groove and even started into science fiction with Lilo and Stitch.

But these changes were somewhat jarring to some, calling Disney out on their changing a format and film style they?d always grown up with. Many did not like this direction and as such this era of their films is often derided for it?s perceived low quality and inconsistency. In fact only one film (Lilo and Stitch) was popular enough to warrant the creation of a franchise, and even then it was frequently used as a point of criticism towards Disney for milking what that film had by going on.

Because the studio never got the massive success from this experimentation they?d hoped for, they returned to form, with fairytale type stories now returning to the menu with the Princess and the Frog and Tangled.

So what about all of you?

Do you believe what people always seem to say about this era? That is was a waste? That it had nothing to offer?

Or did some good come out of this attempt to shake things up?
 

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thejboy88 said:
Do you believe what people always seem to say about this era? That is was a waste? That it had nothing to offer?
My interest in Disney is primarily the 1938-67 period, but I do acknowledge the 90's produced a number of great films.

As for the past decade I was too busy enjoying the cycle of CGI Disney Pixar films to worry about them losing there way/draining talent and resources from there more traditional animation style.
 

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Good came out of it alright, I love The Emperor's New Groove.
This. And to avoid ruining my clean record by posting a low content post I will add that experimentation is always good; it shows you new ways to do things and you learn what does and doesn't work.

Also Kronk is one awesome henchman. <3 Da Kronk!
 

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Honesly I hate all these 3d movies that have shut out 2d animation entirely. I love 2d animation for a long time that was my dream but there are no longer any studios that make that style any longer so I guess my dream will never be fullfilled.
 

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I don't like thinking about the films from the 2000's very much. My favourite time was definitely the 90s. that's when they had the best stories I think.
 

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I liked New Groove (Which, for some reason, was called "My kingdom for a llama" here in germany). It was pretty funny. I also liked Atlantis quite a bit, i think, it was one of their more "mature" movies. Lilo and Stitch was pretty okay, Treasure Plantet and Brother Bear are kind of underrated but not great and Home On The Range was rather forgettable. Haven't seen the other movies, though.

I liked quite a few of those movies and i actually think the experimental era was, all in all, not bad. I never liked Disneys "classic era", you know, Snow White, Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland (Actually, it's kinda funny how they managed to ruin the same book twice) and such. I really enjoyed their "Rennaisance" and i do think it was the time they made their best movies.
 

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I think they are doing good but are extremely annoying with this whole "REAL LIFE SHOWS! THE TEENS WILL LOVE IT!". I hate how we lost Nick, Cartoonetwork, and Disney to this terrible fad.

On the other hand I love Emperor's New Groove.
 

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The Disney Renaissance were definitely the best years for me. My favourite 5 Disney films - Aladdin, Hercules, Tarzan, Hunchback and Lion King - were released then. Also, I was born in 1991, so they're also childhood films which always makes it better.

From that list, however, I've only seen a handful; that being Lilo & Stitch, Emperor's New Groove and Brother Bear. Whilst I can't remember much of the latter, I did enjoy the former two. Not as good as the 90's Disney films, but still pretty good. And yeah, Kronk is awesome.

Recently I haven't watched any new "traditionally" animated Disney films. Pixar have released some amazing films in the past few years - Toy Story 3, Wall-E, Finding Nemo etc, but it is a shame about the 'cartoon' films. I haven't seen Tangled yet, but I've heard good things about it.
 

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New Groove and Lilo & Stitch were awesome. Atlantis and Treasure Planet had totally awesome aesthethics (Space schooner, fuck yeah), but actual movies..not so great. Bolt was pretty good. The rest...meh.

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I always liked Atlantis, the whole style, and Lilo and Stitch had an awesome cast.
And i love the design for Stitch. >,<
 

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The problem with the 2000-10 era was that it felt like they were trying too hard to make money, exemplified by the Direct to Video sequals and their change from hand-drawn to CGI because "people only watch CGI films". Its a pity as Tangled and Princess & the Frog have shown that Disney can still put out great films.

Looking at that list, I've only seen 5 of those films all the way through. Emperor's New Groove is great fun, you have no soul if you don't like Lilo and Stitch, Treasure Planet was very underrated, Atlantis was good, but the 2nd and 3rd acts dragged a bit and I really didn't like Chicken Little.

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JWRosser said:
I haven't seen Tangled yet, but I've heard good things about it.
While not quite up to the Renaissance standard, it's a great film that does a good job of reminding people why they like Disney in the first place with great characters and a good soundtrack with some very fun songs. Its well worth renting at the very least.
 

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I like all of these movies =S
My Girlfriend dragged me to see tangled and I honestly thought I was going to hate it... But I actually ended up really enjoying it...
They cna still make good movies, some of those movies were really awesome.
 

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In my opinion, the movies on that list sort of sucked, except Lilo and Stitch. My reasoning is that most of those movies aren't that memorable and don't scream disney to me. They are, as you have stated, experimental.
 

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Glad to see The Emperor's New Groove getting some love in this thread, it was absolutely brilliant, but I'd probably say the rest were under par for Disney. Satasfactory, but no more than that.
 

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I was 7 when the "Disney Rennaisance" started and loved the films.
However, after (the great) Alladin I was done with them.

I haven't seen a single Disney movie since then, except for TRON Legacy.
Not even those pirate things :p
 

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Generally the Third Golden Age of Disney (as it's also known) is considered to go up to around 2002-2003 and includes Dinosaur, the Emperor's New Groove, Atlantis, and Lilo & Stitch, it doesn't end quite so abruptly in 1999. After that the Michael Eisner factor took over for a few years until he got the boot, and honestly they've gotten a lot better.
 

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I was under the impression that Disney wasn't doing so well, but all of the films I've seen from this list have been awesome.

The newest I've seen are Bolt, Tron and Tangled and I loved all 3 of them!

Lets just say that Disney is a big company that caters to different audiences so we're not going to like everything that they make.
 

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I would just like to say that The Emperor's New Groove was inspired by the Classic Fairy Tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes", and that the Lion King was a completely original story with no framework for it.

OT: I liked most of those films (Never saw Treasure Planet, so I can't comment on it), and the best on the list was The Emperor's New Groove. However, you can't deny that most of these films didn't make their money back, so I guess that's why they'd go back to re-telling classic stories.