That's Godwin's Law, which indeed was proved true once again.The_root_of_all_evil said:
Reductio ad Hitlerum is another argument altogether.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
Do Gays Not Exist in Bioware's Star Wars?
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Reductio ad Hitlerum is another argument altogether.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
True, but I think that comparing anything to the mass-murderers of the past underscores a lack of debating skills. Nothing can be accurately compared to those men unless we're talking about another mass murderer, like the president of Sudan. There are definitely more accurate things to compare the debatable issues to.Nigh Invulnerable said:
You should shy away from using crazed madmen in a debate, but never use Adolf Hitler, Nazi Germany, or the Holocaust when comparing something. It shows definite ignorance and an incredible lack of creativity.
But still doesn't carry the trump card, as I believe Hitlerum isn't more than Pig Latin. The second argument only states the defendants non-refutation of the proceeding argument.Undead Dragon King said:
No, but now we have logical fallacy involved. And the post that started this discussion said that BioWare was even worse than Hitler. That automatically discredits his argument because he is not only provably wrong, it threw this discussion completely off track from where it should have been- the discussion of homosexual story lines of The Old Republic.The_root_of_all_evil said:
That just makes the poster a troll. And you know what you don't do to trolls.Undead Dragon King said:
Too true. Still, he presented an oppotunity to show that Reducto ad Hitlerum is a true logical fallacy and should therefore never be used in an argument.The_root_of_all_evil said:That just makes the poster a troll. And you know what you don't do to trolls.Undead Dragon King said:
tssk tssk, Star Wars never had any restrictions on sexual preferences; this situation is just being blown out of proportion. Though I do agree that same-sex relationships is needed with your AI/NPC companions in RPG. It's just not necessary in the long run since relationship with other players (in RP settings) last longer, than a bunch of NPCs who will deplete their lifetime and only serve as henchmen.Mariena said:
Note: I'm only talking about it's implication in KoToR Online where every hetero character (or even homo) will fall in love, with the same damn NPCs. -Get your hands off my Bastilla- (
(yep, never felt the same when friends were talking about their characters success with Bastilla.)
Hmmm, it just seems to me that Bioware might have panicked a little bit when they saw all of these threads and arguments popping up and didn't want to be seen as a forum which discriminated against the GTLBI community and acted a little hastily. There is definitely grounds to say they might have handled the situation better, so hopefully they come out of it alright and don't suffer because of the way they've tried to cope with this unique situation.
All right... third post,
Let me first begin by stating a fact; Homosexuality is natural. Just like Bi-sexual is, even heterosexual is natural. Before you go, "no way", consider this, in nature there are gay monkey's, gay cat's (I've got one), and more of them gay animals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals (There are many many more facts but I'm to lazy to just type them more out)
Now, if you accept that fact, then it will become easier to understand this is really a discussion of nothing.
It is not the fact that the homosexuals, to wich I will refer in the future as just people, want more attention, it is more of the fact that the want to do normal thing like holding hands in the streets without people looking at them funny. However, the argument "Why be proud and go glittery all over the street" has in fact nothing to do with that. "I'm straight and you don't see me dressing all funny and drinking beer all over the place while hooting at the tits and ass?" argument doesn't hold ground because in fact.... you do... Nobody will say anything, because that's perceived normal boyish behaviour.
The same goes for the "Don't rub you're homosexuality in my face" argument.
Therumancer :
Be very care full about calling all homosexuals paedophiles. It is a shame what happened to you but you are barking at the wrong tree. State you're claim with facts. In the mean time Ive dug up a few;
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html
http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/gay039s-anatomy/200809/homosexuality-and-pedophilia-the-false-link
I also took the time if some of you're arguments could hold up. Strangely enough I found scientists who were claiming the other were mostly of strong religious (any religion) conviction.
" When you get down to it, you'll find a lot of gays are pretty apologetic when they hear about things like that and want to prove that not all of them are bad, however things inevitably happen that convince me that while there might be a few good gay men out there, they are the exception rather than the rule. Basically that most are pedophilles at least latently (it comes down to oppertunities) and those that are not are the exception."
Please enlighten me Therumancer, in what way?
Back to topic,
It really shouldn't matter but I do understand why some people want to see that in a game. I myself are gay, but I never see gay people in a game I can relate to. It is a shame really. Or they are two straight lesbians going at it, or it is the fruitcake gay who is going to die anyway and/or is a strange kind of comic relief. The choice what the game company made however, is not a logical one. If one out of 10 persons are gay, nobody in a galaxy populated by gazillions is gay? (Not counting alien races). And all the gay's that are there are lesbians? Really to absurd and funny!
I really really would love to see a normal gay hero. I would buy that game in an instant.
Greetzz and cookies
Let me first begin by stating a fact; Homosexuality is natural. Just like Bi-sexual is, even heterosexual is natural. Before you go, "no way", consider this, in nature there are gay monkey's, gay cat's (I've got one), and more of them gay animals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals (There are many many more facts but I'm to lazy to just type them more out)
Now, if you accept that fact, then it will become easier to understand this is really a discussion of nothing.
It is not the fact that the homosexuals, to wich I will refer in the future as just people, want more attention, it is more of the fact that the want to do normal thing like holding hands in the streets without people looking at them funny. However, the argument "Why be proud and go glittery all over the street" has in fact nothing to do with that. "I'm straight and you don't see me dressing all funny and drinking beer all over the place while hooting at the tits and ass?" argument doesn't hold ground because in fact.... you do... Nobody will say anything, because that's perceived normal boyish behaviour.
The same goes for the "Don't rub you're homosexuality in my face" argument.
Therumancer :
Be very care full about calling all homosexuals paedophiles. It is a shame what happened to you but you are barking at the wrong tree. State you're claim with facts. In the mean time Ive dug up a few;
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html
http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/gay039s-anatomy/200809/homosexuality-and-pedophilia-the-false-link
I also took the time if some of you're arguments could hold up. Strangely enough I found scientists who were claiming the other were mostly of strong religious (any religion) conviction.
" When you get down to it, you'll find a lot of gays are pretty apologetic when they hear about things like that and want to prove that not all of them are bad, however things inevitably happen that convince me that while there might be a few good gay men out there, they are the exception rather than the rule. Basically that most are pedophilles at least latently (it comes down to oppertunities) and those that are not are the exception."
Please enlighten me Therumancer, in what way?
Back to topic,
It really shouldn't matter but I do understand why some people want to see that in a game. I myself are gay, but I never see gay people in a game I can relate to. It is a shame really. Or they are two straight lesbians going at it, or it is the fruitcake gay who is going to die anyway and/or is a strange kind of comic relief. The choice what the game company made however, is not a logical one. If one out of 10 persons are gay, nobody in a galaxy populated by gazillions is gay? (Not counting alien races). And all the gay's that are there are lesbians? Really to absurd and funny!
I really really would love to see a normal gay hero. I would buy that game in an instant.
Greetzz and cookies
I dont mind massive guitar solos but wouldn't want them shoved in my face in the middle of a gameCoziestPigeon said:Yes, you are homophobic. You just stated that you (weren't homophobic) did not believe in homosexuality in games. That means you are homophobic. Get. The Fuck. Out. And then try growing up, kay?painfull2006 said:
Im guessing its people like you that would make people homophobic in the first place, you seem awfully defensive
Am I the only one on this entire site that doesn't care about whether there's homosexual content in Bioware's games? In fact, I'm mostly just annoyed that their moderator officially issued what I think is a false statement.
I'm pretty sure that there's at least one homosexual couple in the books. Even better, I think they're Mandalorian.[/nerdrage]
I'm pretty sure that there's at least one homosexual couple in the books. Even better, I think they're Mandalorian.[/nerdrage]
I asked him this same question a few posts ago. It really doesn't make any sense, does it? Which is why I called him full of shit. I have yet to hear back from the guy.Lord Krunk said:
There's been a few threads popping up here and there lately about homosexuality and it really is amazing how many people are downright spiteful of gay people. The other amazing thing is, not one person has yet to have a single good reason for it. Not one. Usually you just hear, "I don't like the way they shove it in my face", which of course is stupid because only a small fraction of homosexuals would do that, and the same can be said about heterosexuals.The infamous SCAMola said:
I don't know. I think most of these people are still adolescents, and are just regurgitating their parents mantras.
No, he's right. You are homophobic. You don't get to say, "video games shouldn't get to have black people in it, but I'm not racist!" Just because you add "but I'm not a racist!", doesn't make it so. You'd still be a racist. Just like you're homophobic.painfull2006 said:I dont mind massive guitar solos but wouldn't want them shoved in my face in the middle of a gameCoziestPigeon said:Yes, you are homophobic. You just stated that you (weren't homophobic) did not believe in homosexuality in games. That means you are homophobic. Get. The Fuck. Out. And then try growing up, kay?painfull2006 said:
Im guessing its people like you that would make people homophobic in the first place, you seem awfully defensive
Your guitar solo metaphor only goes further to prove your hatred/fear of homosexuality.