Do You "Call People Out"?

[Booze Zombie]

I only "call out" serious things, generally.
Like smoking whilst refuelling a car or serving customers with white powder falling outta your face... shit like that.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

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Why does a smokers lung look nothing like a healthy persons lung if this is the case, i wish smokers would stop pulling out this bullshit fact. Pollution is NOT worse than smoking.Jesus.

That said i would call a smoker out if they were:

1. In a no smoking area
2. Somewhere cramped where i have to endure it (like a restaurant)
3. Somewhere with children.

Apart from that i dont really care. I agree with you a bit but dont use that "fact". It irks me and is obviously wrong. Remember your getting smoke AND pollution while im only getting pollution. Its worse for you. And for me if i breathe it in. Cus im ADDING to it.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

It depends on their ability to beat me up and how it affects me. Oh, and when I'm sure I'm right. For instance, the last time I 'called someone out' was a few weeks ago when I put my beer down and some little bastard started drinking it. I had a bit of a go at them, and the bartender asked them to leave, partially because they had no ID.

I think your's was a little anal, to be honest, but I see where you're coming from. People smoking in lifts is annoying as hell.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

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Why does a smokers lung look nothing like a healthy persons lung if this is the case, i wish smokers would stop pulling out this bullshit fact. Pollution is NOT worse than smoking.Jesus.

That said i would call a smoker out if they were:

1. In a no smoking area
2. Somewhere cramped where i have to endure it (like a restaurant)
3. Somewhere with children.

Apart from that i dont really care. I agree with you a bit but dont use that "fact". It irks me and is obviously wrong. Remember your getting smoke AND pollution while im only getting pollution. Its worse for you. And for me if i breathe it in. Cus im ADDING to it.

Did I say smoking? I said sitting next to a smoker. Japan for example doesn't like people walking around with cigarettes (mainly because the streets are crowded and an adult walking aroubnd with a lit cigarette could burn someone ... as evident by the signs that mirror such pootentialities repleting the streets) ... but you have smoker's sections in restaurants, and the Shinkansen in which every odd numbered train car is for smokers (unless it's changed in the last 5 years).

Despite everybody smoking in Japan, or being exposed to it constantly people still live till they're 100.

Point is second-hand smoke won't kill you unless you're exposed to it for hours on end ... of which you're not.

I can understand 1 ... I can somewhat understand clause 3 ... but Christ, what major city isn't cramped?

Point is that tyeh example I use is quite apt ... in Australia you can only smoke where it's outdoors and there's a high degree of ventilation (so effectively where it's open sky). but If someone were to give me shit because I ducked out of the restaurant to have a smoke in the middle of China Town (*packed* at night or fridays) I think I would reserve the right to laugh and keep puffing away.

I don't complain about smokers despite being an ex smoker and for medical reasons of hypertension and excessive clotting. Despite everytime I smell cigarette smoke desperately want to have one (even a month after quitting) .... that being said it doesn't give me the right to be a twat and infringe upon others just because of my own personal hang ups that only affect me.

 

[BGH122]

The question is simple, if you see someone doing something or behaving in a way that they should not be, do you say something?
Some back story:

Spoiler

This stems from earlier today when walking into the bookstore 2 men were smoking just outside the entrance. In Ontario in public one must be 10 metres (30ft) from the nearest entrance / exit of a building before they can light up. This fact was also clearly marked on the door and on signs near by. So as I walked by I "called them out". No one around seemed to have the guts to support me on this though./rant

Yeah, or maybe they all disagreed with you and thought the law shouldn't exist? Seems like a pretty awful law to me and obviously designed to stop people from smoking at all (let's face it, it isn't possible to be >=10m from entrances in a high street) and I certainly wouldn't support any pedant trying to play volunteer police officer with such a ridiculously unnecessary and intrusive law. I don't mean that as a personal slight, it just differs very strongly from my ethics.

I call people out when I feel that it's necessary to do so. For instance, if someone said they were religious I wouldn't launch into a massive tirade pointing out all the faults in deism, but if someone said they were a rapist I would. Basically I try to be polite and pleasant above intellectually honest except where it's in both my and the recipients interest to challenge their view.

 

[bak00777]

i corrected teachers in highschool quite a few times. One was when a teacher mispronouced Velociraptor. I call people out whose logic doesn't make sense all the time. I want to call my neighbors out because they turn their base up all the way them listen to shitty music all the time, but i dont want to start something, because i will have to live next door to them until April.

 

[CouchCommando]

Yeah I used to call people out all the time, until about three guys got together one day at my job and framed me for writing rascist graffiti all over the lunch room, Pretty hard to prove your innocence when you've got 3 guys who hate your guts backing one another up lol.
Lesson, calling people out can be more hassle than its worth. Specially if your calling out people who are already demonstrating their clear lack of common courtesy/decency in public.

 

[Zirat]

I did it all the time to this one really annoying and smug english teacher last year, and it was enjoyable to say the least.

I also do this to people I know, but only if they say something really, REALLY stupid.

 

[TheLaofKazi]

Sometimes. I get the feeling to call them out too often when people say things that are just absolutely retarded. Like what my psychology teacher said about our school's no-backpacks-in-class rule: "Believe it or not, this rule is actually in place to protect you. People could hide a gun in there."

BULLSHIT. If someone wanted to shoot up our school, not being able to bring their backpack into class isn't going to stop them. Not only are the odds of such an event happening extremely low in a boring, quiet suburb filled with middle class families, we would be fucked regardless of any stupid rules we put into place if someone really wanted to shoot up our school.

I didn't though, mostly because I get my words tied up badly when trying to argue a point in front of a bunch of people, and plus despite that comment I respect him, he's a nice guy and a pretty good teacher. I get the feeling that his opinions are his and not just some recycled "typical adult viewpoint" that seems to be spouted by every teacher, because he also has other views that differ from the norm. There's actually something going on in his head.

But I usually get the feeling to call people out because of something they said, especially when they are in a teaching position, or any other position where their idiocy is looked at more as fact.

 

[TheLaofKazi]

For the smoking thing? Hey if you want to go around breathing out toxic smoke near me, why shouldn't I be allowed to subject you to some second hand assholishness? If someone was spinning around with their arms out, chances are there is enough room outdoors you could avoid a fist to the face but that doesn't mean you can't tell the person off.

If its a person's own property or a place people go specifically for a smoke break I'm not going to say shit, but if you're walking around other people you're being just as rude to me as I would be for some exaggerated coughing or smart ass remarks.

I don't think smoking or any drug at all should be completely illegal, but the second your choices inconvenience me you're starting a problem.

I can understand where you are coming from here. I've done a similar thing to smokers before. One day after high school me and my friends were walk home and we passed this group of freshmen all smoking cigarettes. It pissed me off, I hate seeing people start smoking so early, it was the beginning of the school year too. So as I passed them I started hunching over and doing an imitation of the Smoker from Left 4 Dead .

But you also got to look at the other side. They may be putting your health at risk with smoking, but it's not like they are purposely trying to do that. I doubt you will come across many smokers that love smoking, a lot of them want to quit, but it's extremely difficult, especially when you have a lot going on in your life. I have friends that smoke, and they school, jobs, tons of other things to do. When you are addicted to a toxic substance that takes a significant amount of effort to quit, you tend to sort of just ignore it and try to get on with your life. People do that with tons of other problems in life, we all do it.

 

[Hashime]

The question is simple, if you see someone doing something or behaving in a way that they should not be, do you say something?
Some back story:

Spoiler

This stems from earlier today when walking into the bookstore 2 men were smoking just outside the entrance. In Ontario in public one must be 10 metres (30ft) from the nearest entrance / exit of a building before they can light up. This fact was also clearly marked on the door and on signs near by. So as I walked by I "called them out". No one around seemed to have the guts to support me on this though./rant

Yeah, or maybe they all disagreed with you and thought the law shouldn't exist? Seems like a pretty awful law to me and obviously designed to stop people from smoking at all (let's face it, it isn't possible to be >=10m from entrances in a high street) and I certainly wouldn't support any pedant trying to play volunteer police officer with such a ridiculously unnecessary and intrusive law. I don't mean that as a personal slight, it just differs very strongly from my ethics.

I call people out when I feel that it's necessary to do so. For instance, if someone said they were religious I wouldn't launch into a massive tirade pointing out all the faults in deism, but if someone said they were a rapist I would. Basically I try to be polite and pleasant above intellectually honest except where it's in both my and the recipients interest to challenge their view.

I would say it is a great law considering what second-hand smoke does to my lungs.

 

[Oh That Dude]

Note: this can also be correcting teachers in class

Oh that, that I definitely do. With justification, my French teacher is generally useless. To be honest it's not correcting so much as being sarcastic and snarky in response to her overwhelmingly patronising approach.

 

[BGH122]

The question is simple, if you see someone doing something or behaving in a way that they should not be, do you say something?
Some back story:

Spoiler

This stems from earlier today when walking into the bookstore 2 men were smoking just outside the entrance. In Ontario in public one must be 10 metres (30ft) from the nearest entrance / exit of a building before they can light up. This fact was also clearly marked on the door and on signs near by. So as I walked by I "called them out". No one around seemed to have the guts to support me on this though./rant

Yeah, or maybe they all disagreed with you and thought the law shouldn't exist? Seems like a pretty awful law to me and obviously designed to stop people from smoking at all (let's face it, it isn't possible to be >=10m from entrances in a high street) and I certainly wouldn't support any pedant trying to play volunteer police officer with such a ridiculously unnecessary and intrusive law. I don't mean that as a personal slight, it just differs very strongly from my ethics.

I call people out when I feel that it's necessary to do so. For instance, if someone said they were religious I wouldn't launch into a massive tirade pointing out all the faults in deism, but if someone said they were a rapist I would. Basically I try to be polite and pleasant above intellectually honest except where it's in both my and the recipients interest to challenge their view.

I would say it is a great law considering what second-hand smoke does to my lungs.

Very little? Seriously, unless you're living with a smoker you've got nothing to worry about. The pollution from cars will do you more damage.

 

[Hashime]

The question is simple, if you see someone doing something or behaving in a way that they should not be, do you say something?
Some back story:

Spoiler

This stems from earlier today when walking into the bookstore 2 men were smoking just outside the entrance. In Ontario in public one must be 10 metres (30ft) from the nearest entrance / exit of a building before they can light up. This fact was also clearly marked on the door and on signs near by. So as I walked by I "called them out". No one around seemed to have the guts to support me on this though./rant

Yeah, or maybe they all disagreed with you and thought the law shouldn't exist? Seems like a pretty awful law to me and obviously designed to stop people from smoking at all (let's face it, it isn't possible to be >=10m from entrances in a high street) and I certainly wouldn't support any pedant trying to play volunteer police officer with such a ridiculously unnecessary and intrusive law. I don't mean that as a personal slight, it just differs very strongly from my ethics.

I call people out when I feel that it's necessary to do so. For instance, if someone said they were religious I wouldn't launch into a massive tirade pointing out all the faults in deism, but if someone said they were a rapist I would. Basically I try to be polite and pleasant above intellectually honest except where it's in both my and the recipients interest to challenge their view.

I would say it is a great law considering what second-hand smoke does to my lungs.

Very little? Seriously, unless you're living with a smoker you've got nothing to worry about. The pollution from cars will do you more damage.

Smoke causes my lung capacity to halve very quickly, I like many other people am asthmatic, cigarette smoke is one of the things that very quickly affects me. Car exhaust (on a well maintained car) contains almost so dust particles, just gasses. Cigarette smoke pumps these fine particles into the air.

 

[BGH122]

Smoke causes my lung capacity to halve very quickly, I like many other people am asthmatic, cigarette smoke is one of the things that very quickly affects me. Car exhaust (on a well maintained car) contains almost so dust particles, just gasses. Cigarette smoke pumps these fine particles into the air.

Ah mea culpa, didn't account for asthma.

I'm not really sure how I feel about this issue though because the epidemiological evidence for second hand smoke damage in otherwise healthy populations is pretty poor unless they're actually living with a smoker.

I hate to sound callous, but you're in the minority and penalising the majority to protect a small minority doesn't seem very democratic. There needs to be some compromise between the 'all smokers must be exiled' pseudo-scientific ranting of this zeitgeist and just saying screw you to those with respiratory distress. Not really sure what that would be though.

 

[Hashime]

Smoke causes my lung capacity to halve very quickly, I like many other people am asthmatic, cigarette smoke is one of the things that very quickly affects me. Car exhaust (on a well maintained car) contains almost so dust particles, just gasses. Cigarette smoke pumps these fine particles into the air.

Ah mea culpa, didn't account for asthma.

I'm not really sure how I feel about this issue though because the epidemiological evidence for second hand smoke damage in otherwise healthy populations is pretty poor unless they're actually living with a smoker.

I hate to sound callous, but you're in the minority and penalising the majority to protect a small minority doesn't seem very democratic. There needs to be some compromise between the 'all smokers must be exiled' pseudo-scientific ranting of this zeitgeist and just saying screw you to those with respiratory distress. Not really sure what that would be though.

The real question is would you rather breath second hand smoke of not? Smokers are a minority, I would bet that if given the choice non smokers would not want to breath the nasty second hand smoke regardless of whether it harms them. There is also no way second hand smoke is good for you. Though there is no figure on how much is harmful, ask a doctor and they will answer less is better.

 

[BGH122]

Smoke causes my lung capacity to halve very quickly, I like many other people am asthmatic, cigarette smoke is one of the things that very quickly affects me. Car exhaust (on a well maintained car) contains almost so dust particles, just gasses. Cigarette smoke pumps these fine particles into the air.

Ah mea culpa, didn't account for asthma.

I'm not really sure how I feel about this issue though because the epidemiological evidence for second hand smoke damage in otherwise healthy populations is pretty poor unless they're actually living with a smoker.

I hate to sound callous, but you're in the minority and penalising the majority to protect a small minority doesn't seem very democratic. There needs to be some compromise between the 'all smokers must be exiled' pseudo-scientific ranting of this zeitgeist and just saying screw you to those with respiratory distress. Not really sure what that would be though.

The real question is would you rather breath second hand smoke of not? Smokers are a minority, I would bet that if given the choice non smokers would not want to breath the nasty second hand smoke regardless of whether it harms them. There is also no way second hand smoke is good for you. Though there is no figure on how much is harmful, ask a doctor and they will answer less is better.

Well I'm a med student and yeah, less is definitely better. However, unless you're continuously in a heavily smoke polluted area (e.g. if you work in a smokers bar or have a smoking room-mate) then you're just not going to realistically get enough smoke into your lungs to cause any substantial long term damage. Driving would be more dangerous due to the tiny probability that you'd crash and die.

However I agree that most people don't want to be around smokers. But if this truly is the case then we don't need the ever over-reaching arm of government to cudgel us into creating smoke-free bars. If the desire really does exist then people just need to be vocal about that desire, pester restaurants and bars (especially large chains) and point out that a smoke-free bar would see a lot of custom. Capitalism, as ever, already has a mechanism built in to take care of this, if smokers genuinely are a minority and the majority don't want to be around them.

 

[Hashime]

Smoke causes my lung capacity to halve very quickly, I like many other people am asthmatic, cigarette smoke is one of the things that very quickly affects me. Car exhaust (on a well maintained car) contains almost so dust particles, just gasses. Cigarette smoke pumps these fine particles into the air.

Ah mea culpa, didn't account for asthma.

I'm not really sure how I feel about this issue though because the epidemiological evidence for second hand smoke damage in otherwise healthy populations is pretty poor unless they're actually living with a smoker.

I hate to sound callous, but you're in the minority and penalising the majority to protect a small minority doesn't seem very democratic. There needs to be some compromise between the 'all smokers must be exiled' pseudo-scientific ranting of this zeitgeist and just saying screw you to those with respiratory distress. Not really sure what that would be though.

The real question is would you rather breath second hand smoke of not? Smokers are a minority, I would bet that if given the choice non smokers would not want to breath the nasty second hand smoke regardless of whether it harms them. There is also no way second hand smoke is good for you. Though there is no figure on how much is harmful, ask a doctor and they will answer less is better.

Well I'm a med student and yeah, less is definitely better. However, unless you're continuously in a heavily smoke polluted area (e.g. if you work in a smokers bar or have a smoking room-mate) then you're just not going to realistically get enough smoke into your lungs to cause any substantial long term damage. Driving would be more dangerous due to the tiny probability that you'd crash and die.

However I agree that most people don't want to be around smokers. But if this truly is the case then we don't need the ever over-reaching arm of government to cudgel us into creating smoke-free bars. If the desire really does exist then people just need to be vocal about that desire, pester restaurants and bars (especially large chains) and point out that a smoke-free bar would see a lot of custom. Capitalism, as ever, already has a mechanism built in to take care of this, if smokers genuinely are a minority and the majority don't want to be around them.

Bars are already smoke free in Ontario (I think, restaurants are at least)

 

[BGH122]

Bars are already smoke free in Ontario (I think, restaurants are at least)

But due to a law. My point is that the law needn't be there if the consumer base genuinely doesn't want smokers in the bar.

 

[Hashime]

Bars are already smoke free in Ontario (I think, restaurants are at least)

But due to a law. My point is that the law needn't be there if the consumer base genuinely doesn't want smokers in the bar.

True, though a business will never turn away a customer, and back to my original topic almost no one would speak up, so a law works better in my mind.
Out of every single situation where a cigarette has been lit in close proximity to me (about 20 times) only once did the person ask if it would bother me. Anecdotal, I know.