Do you consider most shonen/shojo anime to be Japan's "tween shows"?

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In the US, we've had dozens of tween oriented programing on Nickelodeon and Disney Channel over the years for that that awkward, barely a teenager (middle school) stage. But in Japan, do you consider most of the shonen and shojo anime to be that countries' equivalent of tween programming, since they both target young audiences?
 

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They are by definition @themistermanguy, shonen is made for young boys and shojo is made for young girls with young being middle or high school aged.
 

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Yes. Yes, they are.

Look, I've been a manga fan since I was 11, and I'm 26 now. That's 14 years of fandom. I respect manga and anime as artforms.

But I accept that Fairy Tail wasn't intended for a mature and sophisticated audience.
 

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Well, they do have many superficial elements in terms of their one-dimensional characters and a simple story that aim for younger audience but isn't the shojo and shonen genre came from the magazine publication the mangas were first issued. Like for example, Death Note is shonen because it was in Shonen Jump despite having many dark elements. I am not sure but I am just putting out the idea.
 

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I consider them to be easily digestible with relatively few toothy issues. Good guys are good, bad guys are bad with not much in the order of philosophical discussion of that. That's in the more action oriented series. I just avoid the Harem genre like the plague for the simple fact of oblivious male protagonists. I know men can be dense(it took my brother 5 months to realize his current fiance was interested in him), but it's hard not to notice several women just about throwing themselves at you.

I've long since fallen away from most shounen programming with just a couple shows that manage to hold an interest for a bit but if they drag out, I just stop caring.

OT: Sort of. Different shows appeal to different demographics. I'll use what I know. Young kids would be more attracted to shows like Yugioh or Pokemon. Older kids might take a look at Dragonball or Naruto. High schoolers would favor Death Note and Code Geass, with a bit of Bleach or post time skip Naruto for some long running shows.

As for Shoujo? I've got no fucking clue. I hear Pretty Cure is popular with young girls.
 

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That is literally what the those show terms mean. Shonen is tween boy shows, Shojo is girl's shows.
 

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Yeah, cause that's what they are. They are meant to pander to very specific demographics. It seems male, Japanese teenagers want action, girls with big tits, and badass dudes. Female, Japanese teens seem to want a normal girl having a relationship with the hottest guy in school.
 

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It's really no different than anything else. There are shows, movies, books, etc. that are targeted towards a certain demographic. Let's take Avatar the Last Airbender in mind. It was obviously aimed towards kids, especially when you consider how the commercials went. Despite that, you had many people outside the age range watch the show. That's because even though it was targeted towards kids, it had the depth to it that older audiences could appreciate. The themes of loss, acceptance, war were weaved through the narrative, so a simple story about a boy and his friends defeating a big bad was much more complex.

Don't know about Shojo, but I can think of some examples for Shonen. JoJo's Bizzare adventure was originally aimed at younger audiences, but many appreciated for its zaniness and some of the darker themes that could be presented, along with some depth and strategic fighting you didn't get in other Shonen. It did eventually go to a monthly magazine, and became aimed at older audiences. One Piece is my prime example. It is a simple guy and friends have their dreams, and go on adventures to reach goals. Each arc does a great job of having its own contained story, and weaving a greater narrative into the story. You also get some pretty emotional moments, dark moments, and some depth at times as well.

So yes, they are aimed at younger audiences, and most times older audiences won't care for it. But just like TV and other media, it can be much more that attracts all kinds of people.
 

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Not necessarily. I'll use Naruto as my example. It started out as a pretty immature show, but most of the way it had some pretty complex issues being weaved into the overall story. There is quite a bit of drama,polical intrigue, and quite a few heart wrenching moments along the way. It hooked me from the beginning. Since I'm in my late 30s, that just proves that these shows can attract people outside of it's demographic. I also loved the original Yugioh. So sue me!

Edit: Now you have some shows like beyblade that are obvious in its presentation who it is meant for. There are plenty of shows for tweens and teens that really only appeal to them. I consider Naruto and Bleach the exceptions rather than the rule.
 

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I'm one of those grognards who can say I was into Anime before Anime was cool and then settled to where it is now, although my interest had admittedly faded to an extent with time, largely due to the market having become so flooded and the annoyance of having to wade through tons of crap to find something that is decent. What's more as I became more used to Anime's tropes I started to find them kind of annoying and predictable, even if at one time they were fairly new.

That said, one thing I learned early on is that ALL anime is directed at a young audience with rare exceptions. Anime is designed for a mass market, with the pop culture trends in Japan being based around whatever anime is current. The target audience is tweens and young teens for 99% of it no matter how it might seem. The exceptions are some shows like the old "Those Who Hunt Elves" which were intended for a nighttime slot, and for an older audience. Some shows that go on to become franchises like Dragonball, Naruto, or perhaps most famously the various Gundam series represent something of an exception given that they have lasted for very long times and entertained generations of kids coming up. Being transient is why most Anime series are over and done with within a single season, with some rare shows making it two, and others are done within 12 to 13 episodes being intended as half season fillers for youth programming blocks. Apparently Japanese TV is organized a bit differently, where in general a full season will be 26 episodes running every week for half a year, where a half season is a 13 episode series that runs for one quarter of the year, with new projects and titles being developed every year, with new projects starting as soon as the previous ones go out the door. One odd occurrence apparently is how American and other non-Japanese fandoms have literally kept IPs alive long after their expected deaths because the US will frequently get things 1 to 3 years after they came and went in Japan and became yesterday's news to everyone but the hardest core nerds, but a solid American following can see those IPs become successful yet again, To be honest I think in realizing what a big market the US in particular can be Japan started to spend too much time calculating the US market and what work over here, and in doing so lost part of the spark that was making it successful, especially in terms of catering to political correctness and not wanting to run afoul of US censors.

At any rate the point here being that Anime for the most part is still very much children's entertainment in Japan despite some older folks being interested as well. Japan isn't the Nirvana for nerds a lot of people convinced themselves it is. As people get older they tend to move away from Anime and more towards Japan's regular dramas and
such of which there are many. The youth distinction goes beyond simply "Shonen" or "Shoujo" which mostly designates it being written for a specific audience. It's the same as say the young adult novels of my youth having some aimed at boys, the various teen detective and adventure novels, and some being directed at girls like the "Sweet Valley High" and "Babysitters Club" series. Of course there are shows that fit neither designation as they are not aiming specifically at one audience, for example right about the time I was moving away from young adult fiction entirely "Fear Street" and various knock offs were becoming huge because it appealed to both genders within that demographic. Of course the content in some of those started to freak parents and parental groups out and eventually it moved entirely to "goosebumps" though young adult literature has seen a resurgence via the success of things like Twilight, Percy Jackson, Insurgent, Hunger Games, etc... albeit today most of it in the US doesn't intentionally label itself the way they did when I was younger. The young adult sections of my local book stores actually had pink and blue coded shelves, one area being for stuff like "The Hardy Boys" and knock offs, Seven Citadels, Last Legionary, and other such series for boys, and the other full of various "Sweet Valley" products. One of my jobs as a young adult was temp work in relocating a Waldenbooks from one area of a mall to another, and one of the things they were doing was restricting so they would have a place to put all the young adult horror books of which there were tons ("Fear Street" had so many knock offs like "Zodiac Club", "The Nightmare Room", and other series) into a gender neutral section which was new to their larger store.

At any rate, the easiest way to tell what age group an Anime is intended for is to find out what network aired it and in what time slot, more than looking for any particular designation. Contrary to some portrayals The Japanese are not all degenerate perverts, "Hentai" is not shown on normal network TV, and as I mentioned before "Those Who Hunt Elves" was one of those that had an "adult" time slot being a show literally about a bunch of weirdoes trapped in a fantasy world running around stripping elf babes to see if they had runes on their bodies that were part of the magic spell that trapped them there. It was not particularly graphic or pornographic, but that premise meant it was not considered suitable for the same age group as other Anime.

One final point I will mention is that while it's based on now much dated information, one thing to consider is that your average American TV show operates at a "mental age level" of about 8 years old. This has nothing to do with the intensity of content, but the complexity of ideas and the stories being told. Basically your average 8 year old can sit down and figure out what's going on with a prime time TV show, even one aimed at adults, without much of a problem at all. You probably don't want him to watch "Sons Of Anarchy" because of the content itself, but he'd have no trouble getting the gist of what's going on for example. In comparison Japan's programmed operated at a "lofty" but still kind of sad mental age level of about 11 or 12. Basically to really "get" a story you might have to grasp some basic metaphysical or scientific concepts that you normally only run into in sci-fi and fantasy books, as well as being able to deal with surrealist elements being moved in and out of a "real" story. Basically Japanese programming seems "deep" simply because it considers the lowest human denominator to be a little higher than American networks (though I'd argue it's going downward as the global market influences it more and more). One of the shows used as an example was "Revolutionary Girl Utena" back in the day (Sons of Anarchy was not itself used, that was my example), that show was broadcast in a lot of countries. It doesn't speak well of Americans, and even worse of Europeans (where the show was actually shown on TV) that people had a hard time figuring that one out since it relied heavily on both story reality and story surrealism at the same time, where you had to understand that what you were seeing is not supposed to be taken literally (although some things were), given that almost everything in the story was a metaphor. According to this study Americans have an average "mental age level" of about 9, with Europeans and the Chinese being about 7 or 8, and Japan being around 11 or 12. Japan preferring to deal with Europe though because they have been less picky about censorship laws. The argument here largely being that China was being judged heavily by it's movie industry, and how a lot of their films were propaganda vehicles intended to discourage critical thinking and subtly reinforce specific imagery (for example notice the subtle and understated use of the color Red in the movie "Hero", which has been compared to the US say making a pseudo-historic action movie where everything in every scene is draped with Red White and Blue bunting to make sure the patriotic undertones are not going to be missed), that and well, we've all seen HK action movies which are easy to parody (this week on Kung-Fu Theater....) that isn't all they produce of course but this is an average, not judging things by the most intellectual productions produced. With Europe you look at things like the BBC and really when viewed objectively their sitcoms and sci-fi shows aren't any better than those elsewhere, and indeed apparently some of them rate worse. Of course as I understood this study and how it was conducted if it had happened within the last decade it would probably bring doubts as to basic brain wave activity among Americans and Europeans due to reality television. I'm sure something like Jersey Shore would have had to lower the overall rating substantially given how popular it was. Some people might take this out of context, and it's no longer current, so please don't, the basic point isn't to say "ha ha, your people are dumber than ours" or the promote the Japanese as some kind of intellectual giants, it's more a matter of saying the modern media is dumb and doesn't exactly encourage people to want more. America also fared well by being pretty much #2 probably due to it having it's fingers in so many media pies, with most entertainment coming from Hollywood which has the best writers and the biggest budgets, drawing people from all over the world to produce American media. Every nation with media production is also accepted as producing some really deep things, but again this was about the average. The only group I felt was probably being picked on was the French because of the way this very old study talked about how a lot of French film making tends to wind up being so deep that it inverts on itself and becomes incredibly dumb, France having once apparently seen a movie produced which was literally a guy photographing a red balloon floating into the sky among different backdrops and was all about the emotions it could elicit in the viewers. I believe the article commented that when France produces enough "Real movies" that aren't arthouse cinema in one way or another it might be possible to give it a fair rating (whether this was later done or not I have no idea), but given France's long term contributions to film I felt they were being picked on, it seemed a lot like the criticisms gamers make of David Cage nowadays.

... and I'm rambling again and got well off topic, the point of that big rant was basically that yes, Anime in a lot of cases is "smarter" than what you see elsewhere, in pretty much any part of the world, but that's not because it's really all that intellectual, simply that it actually writes at the age level it's supposed to be for (but arguably Japanese media doesn't go beyond that peak enough to affect an average). Consider for example how many people simply can't even begin to comprehend the ending of "Neon Genesis Evangelion" even with the creator having explained it point by point and the US publisher (AD Vision) putting up a page called "The Human Insturmentality Project" spelling it all out since so many people showed up. The same has happened with a LOT of Animes over the years, and it ultimately comes from the same basic place that eventually all the metaphysical ranting and weird concepts wind up being important to the story, compared to say Star Trek where you can ignore all the technobabble since what happens is easy for anyone to understand, you don't see say the crew of The Enterprise suddenly floating around as balls of light in a void trying to re-corporealize themselves in time to save the universe based on logic explained across eight episodes, yet in Anime stuff like that can, and does happen, and more frequently than most people might realize (or it did).
 

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Therumancer said:
I'm one of those grognards who can say I was into Anime before Anime was cool and then settled to where it is now, although my interest had admittedly faded to an extent with time, largely due to the market having become so flooded and the annoyance of having to wade through tons of crap to find something that is decent. What's more as I became more used to Anime's tropes I started to find them kind of annoying and predictable, even if at one time they were fairly new.

That said, one thing I learned early on is that ALL anime is directed at a young audience with rare exceptions. Anime is designed for a mass market, with the pop culture trends in Japan being based around whatever anime is current. The target audience is tweens and young teens for 99% of it no matter how it might seem. The exceptions are some shows like the old "Those Who Hunt Elves" which were intended for a nighttime slot, and for an older audience. Some shows that go on to become franchises like Dragonball, Naruto, or perhaps most famously the various Gundam series represent something of an exception given that they have lasted for very long times and entertained generations of kids coming up. Being transient is why most Anime series are over and done with within a single season, with some rare shows making it two, and others are done within 12 to 13 episodes being intended as half season fillers for youth programming blocks. Apparently Japanese TV is organized a bit differently, where in general a full season will be 26 episodes running every week for half a year, where a half season is a 13 episode series that runs for one quarter of the year, with new projects and titles being developed every year, with new projects starting as soon as the previous ones go out the door. One odd occurrence apparently is how American and other non-Japanese fandoms have literally kept IPs alive long after their expected deaths because the US will frequently get things 1 to 3 years after they came and went in Japan and became yesterday's news to everyone but the hardest core nerds, but a solid American following can see those IPs become successful yet again, To be honest I think in realizing what a big market the US in particular can be Japan started to spend too much time calculating the US market and what work over here, and in doing so lost part of the spark that was making it successful, especially in terms of catering to political correctness and not wanting to run afoul of US censors.

At any rate the point here being that Anime for the most part is still very much children's entertainment in Japan despite some older folks being interested as well. Japan isn't the Nirvana for nerds a lot of people convinced themselves it is. As people get older they tend to move away from Anime and more towards Japan's regular dramas and
such of which there are many. The youth distinction goes beyond simply "Shonen" or "Shoujo" which mostly designates it being written for a specific audience. It's the same as say the young adult novels of my youth having some aimed at boys, the various teen detective and adventure novels, and some being directed at girls like the "Sweet Valley High" and "Babysitters Club" series. Of course there are shows that fit neither designation as they are not aiming specifically at one audience, for example right about the time I was moving away from young adult fiction entirely "Fear Street" and various knock offs were becoming huge because it appealed to both genders within that demographic. Of course the content in some of those started to freak parents and parental groups out and eventually it moved entirely to "goosebumps" though young adult literature has seen a resurgence via the success of things like Twilight, Percy Jackson, Insurgent, Hunger Games, etc... albeit today most of it in the US doesn't intentionally label itself the way they did when I was younger. The young adult sections of my local book stores actually had pink and blue coded shelves, one area being for stuff like "The Hardy Boys" and knock offs, Seven Citadels, Last Legionary, and other such series for boys, and the other full of various "Sweet Valley" products. One of my jobs as a young adult was temp work in relocating a Waldenbooks from one area of a mall to another, and one of the things they were doing was restricting so they would have a place to put all the young adult horror books of which there were tons ("Fear Street" had so many knock offs like "Zodiac Club", "The Nightmare Room", and other series) into a gender neutral section which was new to their larger store.

At any rate, the easiest way to tell what age group an Anime is intended for is to find out what network aired it and in what time slot, more than looking for any particular designation. Contrary to some portrayals The Japanese are not all degenerate perverts, "Hentai" is not shown on normal network TV, and as I mentioned before "Those Who Hunt Elves" was one of those that had an "adult" time slot being a show literally about a bunch of weirdoes trapped in a fantasy world running around stripping elf babes to see if they had runes on their bodies that were part of the magic spell that trapped them there. It was not particularly graphic or pornographic, but that premise meant it was not considered suitable for the same age group as other Anime.

One final point I will mention is that while it's based on now much dated information, one thing to consider is that your average American TV show operates at a "mental age level" of about 8 years old. This has nothing to do with the intensity of content, but the complexity of ideas and the stories being told. Basically your average 8 year old can sit down and figure out what's going on with a prime time TV show, even one aimed at adults, without much of a problem at all. You probably don't want him to watch "Sons Of Anarchy" because of the content itself, but he'd have no trouble getting the gist of what's going on for example. In comparison Japan's programmed operated at a "lofty" but still kind of sad mental age level of about 11 or 12. Basically to really "get" a story you might have to grasp some basic metaphysical or scientific concepts that you normally only run into in sci-fi and fantasy books, as well as being able to deal with surrealist elements being moved in and out of a "real" story. Basically Japanese programming seems "deep" simply because it considers the lowest human denominator to be a little higher than American networks (though I'd argue it's going downward as the global market influences it more and more). One of the shows used as an example was "Revolutionary Girl Utena" back in the day (Sons of Anarchy was not itself used, that was my example), that show was broadcast in a lot of countries. It doesn't speak well of Americans, and even worse of Europeans (where the show was actually shown on TV) that people had a hard time figuring that one out since it relied heavily on both story reality and story surrealism at the same time, where you had to understand that what you were seeing is not supposed to be taken literally (although some things were), given that almost everything in the story was a metaphor. According to this study Americans have an average "mental age level" of about 9, with Europeans and the Chinese being about 7 or 8, and Japan being around 11 or 12. Japan preferring to deal with Europe though because they have been less picky about censorship laws. The argument here largely being that China was being judged heavily by it's movie industry, and how a lot of their films were propaganda vehicles intended to discourage critical thinking and subtly reinforce specific imagery (for example notice the subtle and understated use of the color Red in the movie "Hero", which has been compared to the US say making a pseudo-historic action movie where everything in every scene is draped with Red White and Blue bunting to make sure the patriotic undertones are not going to be missed), that and well, we've all seen HK action movies which are easy to parody (this week on Kung-Fu Theater....) that isn't all they produce of course but this is an average, not judging things by the most intellectual productions produced. With Europe you look at things like the BBC and really when viewed objectively their sitcoms and sci-fi shows aren't any better than those elsewhere, and indeed apparently some of them rate worse. Of course as I understood this study and how it was conducted if it had happened within the last decade it would probably bring doubts as to basic brain wave activity among Americans and Europeans due to reality television. I'm sure something like Jersey Shore would have had to lower the overall rating substantially given how popular it was. Some people might take this out of context, and it's no longer current, so please don't, the basic point isn't to say "ha ha, your people are dumber than ours" or the promote the Japanese as some kind of intellectual giants, it's more a matter of saying the modern media is dumb and doesn't exactly encourage people to want more. America also fared well by being pretty much #2 probably due to it having it's fingers in so many media pies, with most entertainment coming from Hollywood which has the best writers and the biggest budgets, drawing people from all over the world to produce American media. Every nation with media production is also accepted as producing some really deep things, but again this was about the average. The only group I felt was probably being picked on was the French because of the way this very old study talked about how a lot of French film making tends to wind up being so deep that it inverts on itself and becomes incredibly dumb, France having once apparently seen a movie produced which was literally a guy photographing a red balloon floating into the sky among different backdrops and was all about the emotions it could elicit in the viewers. I believe the article commented that when France produces enough "Real movies" that aren't arthouse cinema in one way or another it might be possible to give it a fair rating (whether this was later done or not I have no idea).

... and I'm rambling again and got well off topic, the point of that big rant was basically that yes, Anime in a lot of cases is "smarter" than what you see elsewhere, in pretty much any part of the world, but that's not because it's really all that intellectual, simply that it actually writes at the age level it's supposed to be for (but arguably Japanese media doesn't go beyond that peak enough to affect an average). Consider for example how many people simply can't even begin to comprehend the ending of "Neon Genesis Evangelion" even with the creator having explained it point by point and the US publisher (AD Vision) putting up a page called "The Human Insturmentality Project" spelling it all out since so many people showed up. The same has happened with a LOT of Animes over the years, and it ultimately comes from the same basic place that eventually all the metaphysical ranting and weird concepts wind up being important to the story, compared to say Star Trek where you can ignore all the technobabble since what happens is easy for anyone to understand, you don't see say the crew of The Enterprise suddenly floating around as balls of light in a void trying to re-corporealize themselves in time to save the universe based on logic explained across eight episodes, yet in Anime stuff like that can, and does happen, and more frequently than most people might realize (or it did).
That is not true! I've seen PLENTY of shows that were for adults. Granted they are still outnumbered by all the teen/tween shows. The fact that they exist means that your statement is false. Hell, I'm currently watching Galaxy Express 999. Call that a show for teens! I dare you!
 

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That is not true! I've seen PLENTY of shows that were for adults. Granted they are still outnumbered by all the teen/tween shows. The fact that they exist means that your statement is false. Hell, I'm currently watching Galaxy Express 999. Call that a show for teens! I dare you!
Did you actually read what I said about time slots? I said exceptions exist, and even named one.

That said that's not much of a dare since the whole Leijiverse of which that is only a part was directed at children. His stuff heavily crosses over, and while it's been a while since I followed it, I believe Galaxy Express 999 crosses over and runs into Captain Harlock a few times. I also believe the creator has mentioned multiple times in response to his work that he intended his stuff to be inspirational to children, and wanted to create stories they would find appealing without treating them like complete idiots, probably being in part responsible for Anime maintaining such a high "mental age level" for so long since he is one of the grandfathers of the entire thing since he was doing his stuff back in the 1970s.

In fact as a kid *I* was watching his stuff which is part of what I was talking about when I talked about how much exposure I've had to it. Namely because I knew nerds in the navy who brought some of this stuff back to the US albeit with bad subbing in many cases. In fact I'm one of those guys who could have told you the difference between Robotech and Macross, and the other series later used for Robotech (Super Calvary Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber Mospeda) because I had some knowledge of the various versions in the late 80s. Of course outside of the Palladium Robotech RPG community (which isn't all that big anymore it seems) nobody really ever cared. But if you've ever tried to make sense of this stuff, basically Macross which was the most successful and turned into "The first Robotech war" spawned it's own sequels including Macross 2 (which became non-canon in a weird way), Macross 7, and of course Macross Plus (Mecha developed in Macross Plus has it's blueprints sent to the fleet in Macross 7 to upgrade their military using their on board factories in fact). In Robotech "Protoculture" is an energy source, in Macross it refers to a precursor race... at any rate the point of this ramble (if your reading it) is that I'm also one of the people who can point out that during the making of Robotech they wound up wanting to expand some things done by the same art teams, and as a result in one of the space battles you can actually see Captain Harlock's ship, and one of the ground battles features The Orguss from another mecha anime series. This happened because a lot of the same people were all working on the same stuff so there was plenty of stock footage when they decided to create the awesome Frankenstein monster that is Robotech. :)

But no, "Galaxy Express 999" was not intended for an adult audience even in it's uncut glory. Remember how old it is and the fact that Japan's idea of morality has changed a lot over the decades. It's been a very long time, but you might be referring to that having some sex scenes in it, which a lot of Anime did despite the intended audience. Even fairly recently with things like Macross 7 there was some warped stuff in there, which Japan didn't even think about. This includes things like this 25 year old mecha jock being in love with a 14 year old girl and showing up to declare his love for her on her 15th birthday, granted she his half Zentraedi but it's one of those "ooohkay" moments. Granted that's over a decade old now though.

Given how expansive and weirdly interwoven the works are, as well as the time period over which they were created you could probably fill entire websites with weird stuff in the Leijiverse, and chances are someone has. My big problem with it is that I didn't like how he recycled artwork and literally used the same character designs for different characters in different shows. Apparently he did this to more easily copyright his artwork. His style is such where you say have "Harlock" the being the artwork for a renegade german pilot in Cockpit: Kamikaze stories, and a gunslinger in Gun Frontier (I believe that's what it was called). He's not big on different character designs. Some people love it, I can tolerate it but find it annoying and mostly avoid his stuff despite having at one point watched a lot of it. Albeit I confess I don't remember most of it all that well. I did like Captain Harlock though, and was kind of irritated with how they rebooted/redid the idea in some movie I just watched on Netflix not too long ago.
 

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Well, it's kind of implicit in the name. While I won't comment on what Anime is or is not in Japan, the names are blatantly obvious, given that shonen is a word that specifically describes 'boys', and shoujo describes 'girls'.

The very names used implies an audience of a specific age group. Typically teens, though the specific age isn't that well defined, it's definitely not adults.
 

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Well yeah because that's exactly what they are. That's what the names mean.

Doesn't mean you can't enjoy them of course.
 

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Aside from the big stuff like Naruto and One Piece, most shounen and pretty much all shoujo anime air between 12am and 3am at night. So no, they aren't marketed at children or teenagers. Shounen and shoujo as terms are better used to describe manga demographics, which are, but their anime adaptations, along with most non-family anime, are aimed at otaku.
 

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ZiggyE said:
Aside from the big stuff like Naruto and One Piece, most shounen and pretty much all shoujo anime air between 12am and 3am at night. So no, they aren't marketed at children or teenagers. Shounen and shoujo as terms are better used to describe manga demographics, which are, but their anime adaptations, along with most non-family anime, are aimed at otaku.
I know some shonen target an older audience, but I'm talkibg about stuff from Shonen Jump or Shonen Sunday.
 

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Well, I basically started anime with Akira and Devilman, so I feel I've always been rather operating on the niche of an already niche medium. I somewhat enjoy older shonen works like City Hunter and Lupin because of their influence from 70s and 80s hollywood action movies, but pretty much since Dragonball Z became super popular it hasn't been my cup of tea at all.

Julius Terrel, I'd be interested in hearing specifically when that study was carried out. I can believe perhaps at one point animes were made with a higher mental age in mind at some specific point perhaps, but I'm pretty certain it hasn't been the case for at least 10 years now.

I've really had to scratch and claw to find stuff worth watching, but I've always been determined that way. Gems like Kemonozume are worth it.
 

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Why yes, that's exactly what those words stand for - shonen literally means literally means "few years" (typically referring to boys), shojo means "little girl".
 

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Julius Terrell said:
Not necessarily. I'll use Naruto as my example. It started out as a pretty immature show, but most of the way it had some pretty complex issues being weaved into the overall story. There is quite a bit of drama,polical intrigue, and quite a few heart wrenching moments along the way. It hooked me from the beginning. Since I'm in my late 30s, that just proves that these shows can attract people outside of it's demographic. I also loved the original Yugioh. So sue me!

Edit: Now you have some shows like beyblade that are obvious in its presentation who it is meant for. There are plenty of shows for tweens and teens that really only appeal to them. I consider Naruto and Bleach the exceptions rather than the rule.
Except it's not about " CAN people outside the targeted demographic like" but "WILL people inside the target demographic like it".

If a show targets a certain group, and that group doesn't enjoy it, then that show is a failure, no matter who enjoys it.
 

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LegendOfLufia said:
Julius Terrell said:
Not necessarily. I'll use Naruto as my example. It started out as a pretty immature show, but most of the way it had some pretty complex issues being weaved into the overall story. There is quite a bit of drama,polical intrigue, and quite a few heart wrenching moments along the way. It hooked me from the beginning. Since I'm in my late 30s, that just proves that these shows can attract people outside of it's demographic. I also loved the original Yugioh. So sue me!

Edit: Now you have some shows like beyblade that are obvious in its presentation who it is meant for. There are plenty of shows for tweens and teens that really only appeal to them. I consider Naruto and Bleach the exceptions rather than the rule.
Except it's not about " CAN people outside the targeted demographic like" but "WILL people inside the target demographic like it".

If a show targets a certain group, and that group doesn't enjoy it, then that show is a failure, no matter who enjoys it.
That may be true, but I've devoted most of my life to the medium. I've seen that devotion rewarded time and time again. Gems like Ergo Proxy,Kikaider,Serial Experiments Lain,Eva,Legend of Galactic Heroes,Record of Lodoss War,Beserk,Grappler Baki,Haibane Renmei,Monster, and Ghost in the Shell certainly prove that there are people in the industry,Like Momoru Oshii and the late Satoshi Kon; That cared a hell of a lot about people like me.

The sad truth is that Japan is one of the few places in the world that treats animation like it should be treated, and I know deep in my heart that not everyone in japan shares that idea of animation being just for kids and teens.

Quite frankly America could have been equally as great in creating animated works for adults, but the culture here is just too closed-minded. The 80s and 90s was a great time to love animation here in America, but most of those shows were merely about keeping us kids at the time entertained. Despite that they had a lot of quality to them. Hollywood could have built on that legacy, and have built an animation industry that could have rivaled Japan's.

I know I'm drifting off topic a little but I think it's quite relevant to the discussion.