Thank you.Silvanus said:Christopher Eccleston won me to the New Who, but most of what he represented was wiped away by Tennant, not Smith.
I always just chalked Gwen's theory up to her own conjecture about why the Doctor could not save them this one time. Queen Victoria created Torchwood because she knew that one day the Doctor would not be there to help and I think that Children of Earth or whatever it was called was the creator paying off on that line finally. I also liked that it brought Jack back to being someone who was willing to do whatever it took to survive.Soulrender95 said:which is horrendously out of character for any incarnation of the Doctor but then it was out of character for the Doctor NOT to be involved with the Children of Earth Torchwood storyline at all (Gwen's excuse is grade A prime Bullshit)
Actually no, I think it's worse than that. Now I didn't like the Matt Smith, not because of the charachter or the acting but because of the writng. But one absoloute stand out moment was in arandom episode I watched 10 mins of during lunch>SaneAmongInsane said:Aug.... it is my fault being a Doctor Who newbie.albino boo said:If you want a show with internal consistency you watching the wrong program. Th Doctor's character has always changed radically with each regeneration. The first regeneration I remember was from Tom Baker to Peter Davidson. Tom's Doctor was larger than life and pretty much insane whereas Davidson's Dr was quite and wistful. Colin Baker's Dr was shouty and angry, Sylvester Mccoy's was slightly menacing and the rest you have seen. Fundamentally with each new Dr it's new character that bears no relation to the previous one. The writers have always felt free to ignore previous lore and change the rules to what suits them dramatically as to what the Dr can and can't do. The fact that the show isn't internal consistent is why its going to have its 50th birthday this year.SaneAmongInsane said:So I finished Season 4, and just watched Episode 1 of Season 5.
I'm not one for the "They changed it, so it sucks" argument but Jesus fucking Christ. So much change, it's like they rebooted the entire series. New Doctor, new tarted up companion, new TARDIS, new sonic fucking screw driver? Did everything from the first 4 seasons have to be kicked to the curb?
Maybe I didn't mind the transition from the 9th to the 10th, because when 9 goes he leaves at relative peace with what's he's accomplished. He's in a coma when he comes back and his regeneration is treated as such a big deal, and he comes back and it's a natural arch for the character. He went from being angsty and rage-filled back to being lighthearted and filled with compassion. It felt like the character grew in that short amount of time, but still maintaining some elements of 9 ("No second chances, I'm that kind of a man.")
But when 10 dies.... It's ssssoooooooooooooo fucking heartbreaking. He reacts so human, he doesn't want to die! His reaction to Donna's father being trapped in the box is so beautifully tragic, we see his frustration. We see him say his goodbyes. Then he dies.
Then BAM! Regeneration. "Still not ginger", number 11 moves on with his fucking life with out so much a glance at his past or any of the deep feelings he's had in the past couple of hours.
Someone tell me, does it stay like this? Does 11 just exist in his own little bubble world from here on out?
Kills me though, such a jarring tone from End Of Time to The Eleventh Hour.
Prior to The End of Time, I had seen Classic Dr Who on a public access channel when I was a child, and hadn't seen the Master. I bought the Dalek War/Space Frontier DVD (Pertwee, 3rd Doctor) saw Roger Delgado's original Master, and was floored.Soulrender95 said:god I hate end of time, the very end especially so it's narm inducingly bad, I hated the direction John Simm's the master was taken in, half-resurrected with superpowers....
Torchwood was setup because Queen Victoria was introduced to the existence of aliens and threats beyond human means , which combined with the 10th Doctors and Roses casual disregard for danger made her see the need for a deference against such things.Chris Mosher said:I always just chalked Gwen's theory up to her own conjecture about why the Doctor could not save them this one time. Queen Victoria created Torchwood because she knew that one day the Doctor would not be there to help and I think that Children of Earth or whatever it was called was the creator paying off on that line finally. I also liked that it brought Jack back to being someone who was willing to do whatever it took to survive.Soulrender95 said:which is horrendously out of character for any incarnation of the Doctor but then it was out of character for the Doctor NOT to be involved with the Children of Earth Torchwood storyline at all (Gwen's excuse is grade A prime Bullshit)
Totally agree, Delgado's Master is the perfect foil to the third Doctor and no one had come as close to being as good a Master as John Simms had in season three, then it went off the rails in end of time and it wasn't the master anymore it was like a second rate knockoff (Hint to writers, The Master is smart enough to know Lucy would betray him, have the end of time master be the waste product of him getting rid of Rassilions drumming hence why nothing could fix him), still had Delgado lived we'd have lost the Master entirely the plan at the time was to have him literally be the Doctors evil side, a role that went to the Valeyard eventually, and what "Time lord Victorious" from waters of mars was leaning towards.Atmos Duality said:Prior to The End of Time, I had seen Classic Dr Who on a public access channel when I was a child, and hadn't seen the Master. I bought the Dalek War/Space Frontier DVD (Pertwee, 3rd Doctor) saw Roger Delgado's original Master, and was floored.
It's unfortunate that Delgado died when he did; We were robbed of a truly great chemistry between him and Pertwee, though this did lead to Tom Baker being hired on as the 4th Doctor (Pertwee left the show on account of Delgado's death since they were close friends in real life).
Incidentally, A couple weeks after that my friend queued up The End of Time again to show to another friend who was visiting, and every fucking moment Simms was on screen, I cringed. (and when I watched Last of the Time Lords after that, I wanted to raze Britain to the ground, just to be sure I'd nail Simms in the process)
I'm not entirely sure if that was the plan when Delgado was still alive and kicking.Soulrender95 said:Totally agree, Delgado's Master is the perfect foil to the third Doctor and no one had come as close to being as good a Master as John Simms had in season three, then it went off the rails in end of time and it wasn't the master anymore it was like a second rate knockoff (Hint to writers, The Master is smart enough to know Lucy would betray him, have the end of time master be the waste product of him getting rid of Rassilions drumming hence why nothing could fix him), still had Delgado lived we'd have lost the Master entirely the plan at the time was to have him literally be the Doctors evil side, a role that went to the Valeyard eventually, and what "Time lord Victorious" from waters of mars was leaning towards.
Yup. Logopolis, Tom Baker's final episode.Zachary Amaranth said:I already covered what you called "bullshit" on.
And the Doctor faced guaranteed death time and again. This was no different, except for the horrible scripting and "because ponies" logic.
This is why 10 minutes taken out of context is a horrible way to judge anything. Yes, that moment was out of character for the Doctor, and that was the point. He saw himself in the scientist, the man who went to horrible extremes justified by the awfulness of war, and took his own self-hatred out on the dude. In the end, he relents and does his best to save everyone, because that's who he is.ohellynot said:Actually no, I think it's worse than that. Now I didn't like the Matt Smith, not because of the charachter or the acting but because of the writng. But one absoloute stand out moment was in arandom episode I watched 10 mins of during lunch>
The scene was some science dude had done made some dudes into cyborgs because they were in the middle of a war and it the cyborgs won that war for them so all was good. Circumstance trapped him on a plannet with one of the cyborgs trying to kill him or blow up the plannet trying.
In comes the doctor finds out and his reaction to this was the problem. He takes the whole well we'll give you to the cyborg to spare every one else becaus eyou deserve to die. I know that the doctor's personally is allowed to change with each incarnation, but that just seems like coming down on one side far too much especially as both sides are kind of valid. But this is made worse as the doctor should be able to sypathise with someone trying to get their people not genocided, because all the time war bussines. Those time war aspects have always been a consistant part of the doctor's persoanlity across all generations and this kind of just smacks that all in the face with a wet fish.