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That's who I'm showing empathy for, the people upset and angry at their election being derailed and their choice of president undermined by a lie.
Then why aren't you showing empathy for all the normal people angry that their election is being derailed by Trump supporters, and that their president of choice is being undermined by the lie that he secretly didn't win the election after all?
 

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It seems like the difference is whether or not you agree with the grievance.
So like I said, that's partisanship and lacking in empathy.
Uh no, its about the facts and reality supporting the grievance. Agreeing with doesn't mean anything. You can agree with a heliocentric system, or not. Doesn't change the fact the sun is at the center of the system. Just like you agree with election deniers, doesn't mater, facts and reality do not support the grievance. It has nothing to do with empathy in the slightest.
One side is wrong(the election deniers), the other side is right. Faith, agreement, and empathy don't factor into it.
 

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Then why aren't you showing empathy for all the normal people angry that their election is being derailed by Trump supporters, and that their president of choice is being undermined by the lie that he secretly didn't win the election after all?
I do have empathy for the normal people caught in the middle.

Yes, let's all take "empathy" lessons from someone who frequents and posts racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and antisemitic webcomics.
Empathy lesson #1: stop name-calling. These are just thought-terminating clichés that you can use to dismiss people instead of actually listening to their opinions.

Uh no, its about the facts and reality supporting the grievance.
Facts are that nobody is being charged with homicide Breonna Taylor's death. That's what the Grand Jury said. So BLM can all pack up and go home, they have no legitimate grievance. The facts don't change.

These are your rules, I'm just going along with them.
 

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Not into "why everything appears to be normal and proper", into why these witnesses (plural!) saw what they saw, and yet, the books matched.
I reiterate:

A witness reports a man stabbing another in the stomach. The police check on the victim and find he both has no wound and does not think he was assaulted.

What is the logical conclusion?

None, because they have the power to turn that around by doing the audits.
We're also talking about basic employees and volunteers who do nothing but an honest job of counting the votes. One of the videos you put up on this site was one which inspired death threats against an average Joe doing his job who has no such power. You chose to be part of that, helping feed the flames. What do you have to say about it?
 

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Facts are that nobody is being charged with homicide Breonna Taylor's death. That's what the Grand Jury said. So BLM can all pack up and go home, they have no legitimate grievance. The facts don't change.

These are your rules, I'm just going along with them.
No that's the wrong interpretation, as usual. Lets take the two cases, the death of Breonna Taylor, and the claim of election fraud. If the two were equivalent, then one of two things would need to be true: 1. Election Fraud did happen, it was proven, and a grand jury dismissed bringing charges, or Breonna Taylor never existed and the police report, camera footage and her entire life were fabricated.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you're smart enough to know Breonna Taylor was real, please correct me if I'm wrong on this assumption.
See the equivalency falls apart because Breonna Taylor is real, and the election fraud didn't happen, wasn't proven, and no grand jury dismissed it. You cant compare a real event to a fake event.
The death of Breonna Taylor is a legitimate grievance because she was a real person, she was killed, and it was a cop who pulled the trigger.
Election fraud is a "legitimate grievance" because the evidence was fabricated. It wasn't real. That's what the Dominion lawsuit is all about. Giuliani was all over Fox news claiming he had evidence of fraud with Dominion voting machines, and then when in court withdrew all claims of fraud because it didn't rise to the standards of evidence as set in court. One on hand he says he has evidence, on the other admits he doesn't. And one of them was used to dupe dunces into donating money, the other had serious legal consequences if he lied as a member of the Bar.
 
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Empathy lesson #1: stop name-calling. These are just thought-terminating clichés that you can use to dismiss people instead of actually listening to their opinions.
Listening to a discriminatory harangue and calling it by its name isn't a "thought-terminating cliché".

In Stonetoss's comics black people are genetically inferior, Jews control the world, the Holocaust is a lie, homosexuality is a form of trauma, LGBT people are abusive or deceitful of others and women are inherently stupid.

And frankly I feel gross just talking about the subject.

Fuck him.
 
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In Stonetoss's comics black people are genetically inferior, Jews control the world, the Holocaust is a lie, homosexuality is a form of trauma, LGBT people are abusive or deceitful of others and women are inherently stupid.
Oh wow. I just looked through some of his stuff, you are not kidding. It never occurred to me that trans people committing suicide would be such a source of humour.

But you know... we must have empathy for people who think it's really funny trans people commit suicide. Can skip the whole empathy for trans people thing, naturally.
 
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I reiterate:

A witness reports a man stabbing another in the stomach. The police check on the victim and find he both has no wound and does not think he was assaulted.

What is the logical conclusion?
I disagree with this analogy.

It would be more like a witness reporting a man stabbing another in the stomach. The police check and find no victim, say that the bloodstains aren't indicative of anything, and call you crazy.

We're also talking about basic employees and volunteers who do nothing but an honest job of counting the votes
I don't know if I have empathy for them or not. They knowingly participated in a system that was, according to those with a grievance, not transparently conducted to their satisfaction. They could have quit in protest. They could have refused to participate. But they were okay with the procedures and operations that others complained about.

One of the videos you put up on this site was one which inspired death threats against an average Joe doing his job who has no such power. You chose to be part of that, helping feed the flames. What do you have to say about it?
Are you saying that someone here, who saw the video I posted, went and sent death threats?

No that's the wrong interpretation, as usual. Lets take the two cases, the death of Breonna Taylor, and the claim of election fraud. If the two were equivalent, then one of two things would need to be true: 1. Election Fraud did happen, it was proven, and a grand jury dismissed bringing charges, or Breonna Taylor never existed and the police report, camera footage and her entire life were fabricated.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you're smart enough to know Breonna Taylor was real, please correct me if I'm wrong on this assumption.
See the equivalency falls apart because Breonna Taylor is real, and the election fraud didn't happen, wasn't proven, and no grand jury dismissed it. You cant compare a real event to a fake event.
I have no idea how your logic is supposed to follow.

I never said that the two situations were equal. You can't say "But Breonna's situation got to the grand jury, and your case didn't! Aha!" That's not how comparisons work.

They are alike in that
- People have a grievance
- Officials dismissed it
- People still have a grievance.

That's the extent of it.

That you think one grievance is legitimate and the other isn't is a matter of personal opinion, not "facts".
And I'm okay with letting you have your own opinion. You can look at the supposed evidence and make up your own mind. I would respect that.

Listening to a discriminatory harangue
You're still name-calling.
 

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You're still name-calling.
So Stonetoss is allowed to name-call (and you'll care so much you'll joyfully repost his content to people who he believes should die), but we're not allowed to respond.

Every post here is a web of double-standards. Insult and denigrate with one sentence; condemn others for their harshness with the next. Insist one piece of testimony must be credible with one sentence; outright dismiss another piece of testimony with the next. Show an incredible lack of empathy with one sentence; berate others for lacking empathy with the next.

That you expect readers to take this all at face value is astounding. Either that, or-- more likely-- its an act.
 
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I have no idea how your logic is supposed to follow.

I never said that the two situations were equal. You can't say "But Breonna's situation got to the grand jury, and your case didn't! Aha!" That's not how comparisons work.

They are alike in that
- People have a grievance
- Officials dismissed it
- People still have a grievance.

That's the extent of it.
That you think one grievance is legitimate and the other isn't is a matter of personal opinion, not "facts".
And I'm okay with letting you have your own opinion. You can look at the supposed evidence and make up your own mind. I would respect that.
You're still name-calling.
Again you don't understand.
First off yes saying one side got a grand jury and the other side didn't is exactly how comparisons work. Its a literal comparison.

Now having corrected you, that was in fact not my logic. Here is the logic: Breonna Taylor was a real person, and is dead. Election Fraud never happened. Breonna Taylor's death is a legitimate grievance. Election fraud is a "legitimate grievance"
People can have a legitimate grievance over Breonna Taylor's death. People can have a "legitimate grievance" of election fraud.
One side is using a real person who is really dead, the other is using made up information meant to at best gather political donations, and at worst attempt to overthrow a democracy.

The family and friends of Breonna Taylor can have a legitimate grievance and we can empathize with that because she was real, she was killed, and the people who killed her were no punished for that.
The people who think the election was a fraud can have a "legitimate grievance" because they are gullible people who fell for a very poorly put together lie and con job meant to trick them, for which it did. And we do not empathize with them because they don't deserve it. They're pain and frustration is all self inflicted because they've chosen to believe in a lie that upsets them.

Comparing the two as equals is the equivalent of comparing someone who was robbed, with a kid who thinks the tooth fairy stole her tooth from under her pillow. You can look into the validity of the claims from the former, but the tooth fairy doesn't exist in the later.
 

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Wait, so Stonetoss is allowed to name-call
He doesn't, of course.

First off yes saying one side got a grand jury and the other side didn't is exactly how comparisons work. Its a literal comparison.
Every aspect of two things being compared doesn't need to be equal for the comparison to be accurate. Only the "key" elements, as determined by the author and what point he or she wants to make.
 

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He doesn't, of course.
He calls gay people paedophiles, and Jewish people liars, and socialists cuckolds. The list goes on. All of this you find so objectionable that you'll happily repost it.
 

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He calls gay people paedophiles, and Jewish people liars, and socialists cuckolds. The list goes on. All of this you find so objectionable that you'll happily repost it.
No he doesn't.