Dragon Age 2... WTF???

[MetallicaRulez0]

Having multiple races for the main character guarantees that BioWare can't do full voice acting for the player character. That takes away from immersion, and honestly Dragon Age felt bland and lifeless compared to Mass Effect for this sole reason. As long as they keep the semi-interesting combat and great story from the first game, and add voice acting for the main character, DA2 will be a great game. Hopefully they don't dumb it down quite as much as they did between ME1 and ME2.

 

[The Scythian]

Yes, let's take away the uniqueness of Dragon Age to please all of the sex craved Mass Effect fanboys.

The graphics were not bad. The customization was great. The combat system was a refreshing change from shooters and God of War Button Mashing. The lack of voice immersed more than your characters talking for you. If you want another Mass Effect, wait for a new one. Don't try to change Dragon Age to your standards, which are already met by many other games.

Yes! Thank you, you took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[AVATAR_RAGE]

I loved Mass Effect and i loved Mass Effect 2.

ME2 changed a lot of aspects of ME1 for the better; which in my opinion, means that is succeeded as a sequel. And if you wanted to play Mass Effect 2 as anything other than a human, it kind of shows that you either haven't been paying much attention to the story, or simply just failed to understand it.

As far as Dragon Age 2 goes... if you really can't stand to play as a human, then don't play it. It's a rather silly attitude, though. We don't know to which extent we'll be able to customise Hawke, but considering the importance of your character's origin in the first Dragon Age, it's fair to assume that DA2 will offer similar options.

Playing as an elf didn't make your character as exciting as playing as an elf that killed a noble for raping his cousin on his wedding day did. I fully expect origin options to return, giving us ample opportunity to create the character we want to play as.

I agree but I think people are putting too much faith in a 1st anouncement. There could be multiple races still with multiple stories. It's still very early days.

 

[Blind Sight]

I love how the OP says everything like it's fact proven by SCIENCE instead of merely opinion, I liked both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 for entirely different reasons. I'm looking forward to Dragon Age 2, I'm also interested in how this 'Nier' character will play a role. I'm not going to complain or whine about anything until I actually get to play it, then I'll judge it in the context it deserves, rather then just random guessing or flaming.

 

[crystalsnow]

Dragon Age was pretty boring to me, don't think I'm going to be buying the sequel anyways.

 

[Dmatix]

I think its a little to early to judge it now, although I was hoping for a chance to play with my DA:O warden. Kinda disappointed me there.

 

[StarCecil]

Having multiple races for the main character guarantees that BioWare can't do full voice acting for the player character. That takes away from immersion, and honestly Dragon Age felt bland and lifeless compared to Mass Effect for this sole reason. As long as they keep the semi-interesting combat and great story from the first game, and add voice acting for the main character, DA2 will be a great game. Hopefully they don't dumb it down quite as much as they did between ME1 and ME2.

I feel the opposite. I can't get very immersed if my character has a voice, because then there is a very clear and very visible delineation between me and the character. Without a voiced protagonist, that line between me and the character is blurrier and I'm better able to take on the role of a Grey Warden and otherwise get into the game.

 

[Quad08]

Heheh...this reminds me of when everyone was judging ME2 before it came out.

Remember how that blew over?

 

[Axolotl]

Heheh...this reminds me of when everyone was judging ME2 before it came out.

Remember how that blew over?

Yeah, nobody complained about them removing the RPG aspect. Nobody at all.

 

[Quad08]

Heheh...this reminds me of when everyone was judging ME2 before it came out.

Remember how that blew over?

Yeah, nobody complained about them removing the RPG aspect. Nobody at all.

Did I say nobody complained about it? Every game, no matter what it is, is going to have complaints about it.

What I was actually referring to, was how allot of people were complaining about aspects of the game before the game came out. However, once the game was finally released the amount of complaints about the game dropped drastically once everyone was able to see that ME2 was a very well made game.

Also, sarcasm isn't usually a good way to get your point across and doesn't make you seem like a very nice person. This may be the internet where being anonymous is key but a little bit of politeness goes a long way

 

[Warachia]

It was the origin stories that started Dragon Age on the right track. What other changes can we expect? Are they going to be throwing in chest-high-walls everywhere? Are we losing the inventory system? It looks like the last sequel that Bioware did well was Baldur's Gate 2. (Don't mention ME2, the people that hated ME liked ME2 which means it failed as a sequel, but succeeded as a game, which isn't the same thing)

WTF? You sir are a troll, by your logic, the next halo with space combat will be an rpg inside of a cave where you have to meet people in towns, sleep in inns, and fight through vampires to get to the surface in a heartwarming finish. One thing everyone should take note to not do: DO NOT TAKE YOUR OWN OPINION AND SELL IT AS A REGISTERED FACT. Specifically when you start making stuff up.

 

[Axolotl]

What I was actually referring to, was how allot of people were complaining about aspects of the game before the game came out. However, once the game was finally released the amount of complaints about the game dropped drastically once everyone was able to see that ME2 was a very well made game.

I don't remember many people commenting before it's release (on the mechanics that is) but I do remember aot of people complaining at the simplification of ME2. Look at this thread for example. I know people who were die-hard Bioware fanboys who found ME2 so a bad they didn't want to buy any more games from them ever again if they continued in that direction.

 

[ZeroAE]

Don't mention ME2, the people that hated ME liked ME2 which means it failed as a sequel, but succeeded as a game, which isn't the same thing

Lies. There are many, many people who love both, myself included.
How can you say a game is bad before you actually play it? You must be psychic

The best thing about Dragon Age was character costumization , and they are taking it away=(

No they aren't. They just took out the cosmetic changes which don't affect anything except the odd reference.

Eh...From what I saw at a friends house, combat in Dragon Age was luck based, and from all the DLC, it's like half the game must have been missing.

Not true. The DLC was actually a very small part of the game, you could have happily gone through it without getting DLC. The DLC are all short and not really worth it if you ask me.

And the combat wasn't really luck based. Sure, sometimes you could get lucky, but it wasn't luck based.

But THAT was the best part! At least I still I Fable...

 

[StarCecil]

Heheh...this reminds me of when everyone was judging ME2 before it came out.

Remember how that blew over?

Yeah, nobody complained about them removing the RPG aspect. Nobody at all.

Did I say nobody complained about it? Every game, no matter what it is, is going to have complaints about it.

What I was actually referring to, was how allot of people were complaining about aspects of the game before the game came out. However, once the game was finally released the amount of complaints about the game dropped drastically once everyone was able to see that ME2 was a very well made game.

Also, sarcasm isn't usually a good way to get your point across and doesn't make you seem like a very nice person. This may be the internet where being anonymous is key but a little bit of politeness goes a long way

But the in this instance, they are announcing a change to the very exact same things that were praised about the first. The very exact same things that drew older fans/hardcore fans/Role-playing fans are being changed and it's having a polarizing affect.

And it's not just a simple matter of those aspects being altered, but about them being altered to their exact opposites. Even now there a number of fans of ME1 that hate ME2 for the loss of certain aspects. BioWare themselves have admitted that ME2 wasn't a good sequel by announcing a re-introduction of RPG features dropped in ME1 to ME3.

EDIT: Note that I said ME2 wasn't a good "sequel". It was by all means an excellent game but not a good "sequel".

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

Having multiple races for the main character guarantees that BioWare can't do full voice acting for the player character. That takes away from immersion, and honestly Dragon Age felt bland and lifeless compared to Mass Effect for this sole reason. As long as they keep the semi-interesting combat and great story from the first game, and add voice acting for the main character, DA2 will be a great game. Hopefully they don't dumb it down quite as much as they did between ME1 and ME2.

I feel the opposite. I can't get very immersed if my character has a voice, because then there is a very clear and very visible delineation between me and the character. Without a voiced protagonist, that line between me and the character is blurrier and I'm better able to take on the role of a Grey Warden and otherwise get into the game.

Perhaps that's true for those of you who really enjoy the role-playing portion of RPGs. For the vast majority of gamers who play RPGs though, we're just looking for a great story with great characters and deep customization features. I do understand what you're saying though, I just don't really agree with it (or any deep role-playing for that matter).

 

[Da_Schwartz]

yea.... not for nothing but it's probably a good idea to wait till the actual game coems out..and you play it.. and you have ALL the facts before blabbing your mouth. Or are you sir are just as guilty as the ppl u point fingers at that hate games just because they are popular.

 

[StarCecil]

Having multiple races for the main character guarantees that BioWare can't do full voice acting for the player character. That takes away from immersion, and honestly Dragon Age felt bland and lifeless compared to Mass Effect for this sole reason. As long as they keep the semi-interesting combat and great story from the first game, and add voice acting for the main character, DA2 will be a great game. Hopefully they don't dumb it down quite as much as they did between ME1 and ME2.

I feel the opposite. I can't get very immersed if my character has a voice, because then there is a very clear and very visible delineation between me and the character. Without a voiced protagonist, that line between me and the character is blurrier and I'm better able to take on the role of a Grey Warden and otherwise get into the game.

Perhaps that's true for those of you who really enjoy the role-playing portion of RPGs. For the vast majority of gamers who play RPGs though, we're just looking for a great story with great characters and deep customization features. I do understand what you're saying though, I just don't really agree with it (or any deep role-playing for that matter).

But the deep customization features are being lost with this next installment.

 

[darth gditch]

Well, it was Dragon Age: Origins. Emphasis on the Origins. I was under that impression that was a one time deal. The origins story would only be part of that game.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

But the deep customization features are being lost with this next installment.

I don't mean customization of the appearance of your character (although that's nice and all), I mean stats, talent specializations, armor and weapons, that sort of thing. All of those are much much more important to me than whether I play as an Elf or a Human. The first Dragon Age was SORELY lacking in gear customization especially. I found a dagger for my rogue at level 5 or so that was literally the best in the game. That's very sad.

 

[StarCecil]

Well, it was Dragon Age: Origins. Emphasis on the Origins. I was under that impression that was a one time deal. The origins story would only be part of that game.

Yet the game leads into Awakening, which ends on a cliffhanger no matter what. In fact, doubly so if you do the Dark Ritual.

EDIT: Sorry, that was kind of vague. What I mean to say is why would the Origins be a one time thing when A) They were much beloved and seen as the single best feature of the game, and B) every ending, no matter what, ends in a cliffhanger. The fact the nature of the cliffhanger lends itself well to different "Origin" type starter-stories would easily lead one to believe that there was more to the story of the Warden and plenty of room for more origin tales.