- Aug 12, 2009
My only real beef with BioWare is Dragon Age 2. I've loved all of their other games and I'm currently subscribed to SW:TOR. I think they'll be just fine, but pitchfork wielding fans might disagree with me.
Well, anyone who claims ME3 or DA2 are objectively flawless games is just as stupid as those who think there's nothing good about them at all.the hidden eagle said:I've seen people give reasonable criticism that often gets dismissed as whining by the fanboys,so if people have to make their opinions more loud then that's why.CloudAtlas said:A lot what people are doing here and elsewhere hardly qualifies as criticsm.the hidden eagle said:You call it whining I call it criticism.kasperbbs said:I doubt that they can make it any worse than DA 2 was. The game will do well in sales like most of Bioware's games and they will continue making games, because companies don't close over people whining on the internet.
Yes, there are, but many have left the realm of reason long behind them too.the hidden eagle said:That's just fanboys/fangirls being...well fanboys/fangirls.There are still reasonable people who give their criticisms in a mature and civil manner.Eacaraxe said:"Criticism" is hardly the word I'd apply when individuals nail themselves to crosses to heap invective upon the company, proclaim a sense of betrayal or disrespect, and prophesize with a sense of deep self-satisfaction their downfall, all while deciding what is to be done with all that ill will and distrust is to...not pre-order their next game.the hidden eagle said:You call it whining I call it criticism.
Not buy it used or on sale, not refuse to buy it at all, just not pre-order it.
Those people are also the silent (by comparison) minority. Who, might I add, are excoriated just as much if not greater than the company's unabashed sycophants.the hidden eagle said:That's just fanboys/fangirls being...well fanboys/fangirls.There are still reasonable people who give their criticisms in a mature and civil manner.
I don't think I agree with DA2 having "solid" sales, all things considered. It failed to reach DA:O in sales by a wide margin, which must be considered a disappointment. Relatively to being the sequel to a popular RPG, DA2 was no success.Eacaraxe said:DA2 had solid sales despite being critically panned, for a BioWare game, which meant it "only" received lukewarm reviews.
DA2 was the start of ominous things for Bioware after EA bought them out. DA2 indeed fell short of sales expectations, which was likely mostly EA's fault since DA2 had one of the shortest development times in Bioware history, and yet EA still banked on DA2 selling much more than DA:O just based on name recognition of the first one. ToR is still likely the biggest screwup in EA's eyes, but DA2 is what woke them up that they couldn't enforce ludicrous deadlines and still expect massive sales when it comes to RPGs.P.Tsunami said:I don't think I agree with DA2 having "solid" sales, all things considered. It failed to reach DA:O in sales by a wide margin, which must be considered a disappointment. Relatively to being the sequel to a popular RPG, DA2 was no success.Eacaraxe said:DA2 had solid sales despite being critically panned, for a BioWare game, which meant it "only" received lukewarm reviews.
When people say that DA:O had a clichéd plot it generally means that "raise the army/slay the dragon" has been done to death in a way that "rise to power, but be powerless in the face of history" has not. That's it - characters and gameplay and world-building and the rest are separate items (although I will say that the characters in DA2 did have more development moments that surprised me, so even if they were standards in terms of type, I think it's debatable whether or not they were other terms), so pointing out any of that in response to a discussion of plot elements is changing the topic of the conversation.the hidden eagle said:Who said I didn't like DA2?I actually love it but when people bash DA:O and claim it's cliche while DA2 isn't, well I usually point out the many cliches in DA2 like it's characters.
Probably, but they're clearly using it for other things as well since they have it. The devs had stated repeatedly in the past that there would be no race selection, but now it's back on the table. Sure, maybe they were being misleading before, but that's not the impression that most of the comments they're giving over on the BSN would suggest.ravenshrike said:The longer dev times were almost certainly for the Xbone and PS4 ports.
If went with that alternate plotline, can't you imagine the fanrage from people who went with the ultimate sacrifice ending? I imagine that they'd be the ones predicting a "pretty shitty" result in that case. Regardless, all that means is that certain items won't be part of the main story, but that tells us nothing about what will be or how good it will be. Fair enough if that means it's not a story you're interested in, but the fact that it looks uninteresting to you is not the same as saying it looks objectively like crap.Combined with the fact that they're throwing out Witch Hunt entirely along with the God Baby plotline(Apparently having her sleep with a Grey Warden outside of Ferelden and then hunting down and slaughtering a sleeping Archdemon would have been too difficult of a plotline to come up with) and DA:I is looking pretty shitty for a Bioware game.