Dutch Porn Star Awkwardly Uninvited From Modern Warfare 3 Launch Party

[TheDarkestDerp]

*shrugs* Their party, their rules, girlie. Being a porn actress, you'd think you'd be used to this sort of thing by now. I've been there too, "Yeah yeah you're a 'hooker' we're not comfortable with associating with 'your kind' at this business, party, family outing, whatever..." get it, got it, move on.

Seems that most commentors on here really aren't looking at themselves very objectively on this issue. Not everyone has the same priorities, and expecting them to hold your or my beliefs over their own makes you just as big an elitist and hypocrite as them. They don't want her there for being a hooker, fuck-up and let them say 'no'. You wouldn't want a Nazi at your shindig or a Klansman, in all likely hood, so respect their right to be equally exclusive.

Well, I was expecting some backwards responses to this thread, but I wasn't expecting a Godwin. Well done Derp. Your name is truly well chosen.

In all seriousness though, how does being a hooker suddenly mean that it's alright for people to treat you like a second-class citizen? Just because they're ok with getting their love bits out in front of a camera, that means it's alright to treat them with absolutely no respect?

Imagine if Activision decided to repeal someone's invitation to the MW launch party because it turned out they were a Postman, and Activision had an actibe No Postmen policy. Not only would it be patently ridiculous that someone could be banned from an event because of their wholly legal profession, it would be out-and-out dicriminatory. There is absolutely no difference in effect between barring someone based on their job, and barring someone based on their skin colour or sexuality. It's bigotry all the same, and people like you who try and justify it are the reason ignorance and bigotry still exist in the world.

And seriously? Equating pornstars with Nazis and the Klu Klux Klan? One group does sex on camera so that single guys like myself have something to fap to, the other two groups went around murdering minority groups. I'd be offended if I didn't find it so funny.

If respecting other people's rights to have their own opinions is considered "Backwards" in your eyes, perhaps I should've used you as my example, jerk.

I used 'hooker' because that would be me.

If you can't understand analogies and respect others' opinions any better than this, it's no small wonder you have such strong opinions on people treating your 'fap' objects so well.

Learn to analyze writing more critically and grow up, ass.

 

[ElPatron]

I would think it would be more embarrassing to have it recognized that they were aiming a "Mature" rated game at children than that they had a woman who worked in adult films at a party, but that's me.

In the grand scheme of things, I think it will make very little difference to Activision one way or another. The controversy generated by "dis-inviting" Ms. Holland is probably no worse than they would have received from inviting her, so long as they didn't go out of the way to highlight her presence. It's not like she was invited there to perform sex acts under the drinks table. The kind of parents who casually buy their kids "Call of Duty" games are probably not the kind of parents who peruse games news sites to read about the guests who are invited to launch parties. (Launch parties in Amsterdam, no less.)

Barring something unseen, though, I doubt anyone will be talking about this in a week.

It's only going to be controversial in the more "liberal" circles that actually search gaming news. Which doesn't make a lot of fuss.

If an adult film star was in the party, it would find it's way into conservative media. And normally, parents who don't give a damn about video-game violence would not buy this game, even if it didn't have sex.

 

[Chefodeath]

Activision can invite and uninvite who they want, but honestly they should have just nutted up and let holland attend. Its extremely rude to extend an invitation and then retract it not because the guest did something, but because of your own enormous incompetency.

This makes me respect activision less, which I'm pretty sure is the opposite of what they were going for.

 

[Vrach]

I just don't the fallout would actually have been that big a deal. If pop culture and stereotypes have thought me anything (and I like to think they have) is that the Dutch are pretty cool with the sex industry. I don't think anyone else would have taken any notice. How much do you know about MW3 launch parties in say Switzerland or Denmark? Even if they did, do you think Fox News' coverage of the sex scene "scandal" in Mass Effect hurt sales? Building controversy is just free publicity.

Pornstars in media isn't exactly new. Jenna Jameson advertised Jackson guitars.
This site had a show that featured Sasha Grey in it's pilot. And for what it's worth I've sampled a lot of her work and a lot of it would be described (generously) as "fucking freaky ass shit".
Asia Carrera had a cameo in the Big Lebowski and has been on tv talking about Unreal Tournament.
Julie Strain is basically a female Bruce Campbell at this stage and has had her likeness in a video game (she's softcore though and the game, much like many of her movies, was fairly unknown).

It still doesn't change the fact that it's completely up to ActiVision to decide what kind of attention it wants. If it doesn't want to associate itself with a porn actress, that's their choice and by no means either bad or unwise one. At best it's an insignificant choice, but then again, it's theirs to make.

I'm not saying no one should associate themselves with porn or workers in the industry, that I view upon that negatively myself or that it's an unwise business move 100% of the time. Just saying, the choice is theirs and I don't see any reason to blame them for making it.

 

[Olrod]

Why did they invite her in the first place then?

I guess that bunch of boobs didn't want to be overshadowed by other boobs.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Welcome to America, sex is bad and violence is A-Okay. Unless the soccer moms get what then want, they everything will be banned.

 

[TheDarkestDerp]

*shrugs* Their party, their rules, girlie. Being a porn actress, you'd think you'd be used to this sort of thing by now. I've been there too, "Yeah yeah you're a 'hooker' we're not comfortable with associating with 'your kind' at this business, party, family outing, whatever..." get it, got it, move on.

Seems that most commentors on here really aren't looking at themselves very objectively on this issue. Not everyone has the same priorities, and expecting them to hold your or my beliefs over their own makes you just as big an elitist and hypocrite as them. They don't want her there for being a hooker, fuck-up and let them say 'no'. You wouldn't want a Nazi at your shindig or a Klansman, in all likely hood, so respect their right to be equally exclusive.

Well, I was expecting some backwards responses to this thread, but I wasn't expecting a Godwin. Well done Derp. Your name is truly well chosen.

In all seriousness though, how does being a hooker suddenly mean that it's alright for people to treat you like a second-class citizen? Just because they're ok with getting their love bits out in front of a camera, that means it's alright to treat them with absolutely no respect?

Imagine if Activision decided to repeal someone's invitation to the MW launch party because it turned out they were a Postman, and Activision had an actibe No Postmen policy. Not only would it be patently ridiculous that someone could be banned from an event because of their wholly legal profession, it would be out-and-out dicriminatory. There is absolutely no difference in effect between barring someone based on their job, and barring someone based on their skin colour or sexuality. It's bigotry all the same, and people like you who try and justify it are the reason ignorance and bigotry still exist in the world.

And seriously? Equating pornstars with Nazis and the Klu Klux Klan? One group does sex on camera so that single guys like myself have something to fap to, the other two groups went around murdering minority groups. I'd be offended if I didn't find it so funny.

If respecting other people's rights to have their own opinions is considered "Backwards" in your eyes, perhaps I should've used you as my example, jerk.

I used 'hooker' because that would be me.

If you can't understand analogies and respect others' opinions any better than this, it's no small wonder you have such strong opinions on people treating your 'fap' objects so well.

Learn to analyze writing more critically and grow up, ass.

So you actually see no problem comparing people who have sex for money to people who kill other people because of racism?

The fact that you're representing an area of the planet colloquially referred to with the same name as the language you seem incapable of understanding is baffling to me. Thank you for disproving the stereotype though.

I'll spell this out for you-

I compared nothing. I used nazis and klansmen as examples which are generally acceptable as the norm of what is considered undesirable at a social function in practically any social group. Chances are if one showed up at your birthday party, they'd be asked to leave. Within the social strata the game company was apparently interested in targeting, they found fault in inviting this person. This analogy is not about my view of anyone, but instead, their right to invite or bar anyone from their own private function, prostitute, politician, postman or clergy. It's not paid for with tax dollars, they can have whoever they want whether you, I or anyone else like it or not. Proclaiming them as morally or socially elitist for doing exactly what you, I or anyone else does at our own gatherings is incredibly shortsighted and beyond hypocritical.

In my original statement I alluded to myself, as I have been a domme and a sex worker for some time and I have also been asked to leave social functions for the same reason. I've never pissed and moaned about it. It comes with the territory, not everyone has my morality, or yours. Get over it and stop expecting everyone else to conform to your way of thinking.

Does this do you, hemorrhoid or do you need further explanation of what was said in the first place?

 

[awsome117]

Here's a suggestion, how about you actually meet a couple of people in that line of work, then your oppinion will count...a little.

Well technically, none of our opinions count hence why they are called opinions. The only way to "validate" our opinions is to support them with facts and understand, otherwise it all amounts to nothing. But ignorance rarely cares what others thinks .

Get some perspective kid. I haven't said rape anywhere.

So, how many Rape victims do you know that are paid?

I would suggest reading what you write. Then again, I could be wrong with you assuming porn = rape, as that sentence isn't really clear, but from my perspective it seems like you are.

I've said that the ''Choice'' is the same as choosing to just quit your Job,

Not really, as it is with any other job. You say what you will/won't do and hope for the best. Some times it works out great, some times it doesn't. Welcome to life.

it's like choosing between having Food and not having Food, it's a no brainer and therefore not a real choice.

There always is a choice. Some people won't go so low, others will. They rather starve than do anything else other than their "dream job". Choices always exist, you can't just ignore them, well I guess you cam.

Like I said, perspective. I know you're just barely 18, so go into the real world, then we can talk.

Or we can talk now. I doubt you want to wait a few years for me to do that, so let's talk now. Either way it doesn't change what I said. Being forced to do something against their free will is illegal.

And this is where you make of point of showing that you don't have the slightest clue. Actually talk to them from time to time and you'll find that if they don't fit certain criteria, like doing Anal or even straight Men doing homosexual scenes, they WILL NOT FIND WORK.

While you are right, in that if you don't fit the criteria you won't be hired. Much like any job. Can't really work in an office if I have no Excel experience can I. Or do the acting gig if I can't do a certain scene. If they don't want to do it, they do have to do it. If it means they won't get the job, then that's life. You take it and move on. Sometimes they may broaden what they are willing to do if they want, they don't necessarily have to, but they can. Choice is always there.

Also, they could have the nicest ass in the world and be all for anal, but if they're not looking for you, it doesn't really matter.

Nope, you just still think that the world is made of Gumdrops and Rainbows.

Not really, but now I'm hungry for gumdrops. And oddly rainbows.

A ''Choice'' isn't a Choice. There is a difference between a figmental ''Yeah, I could just simply not do that and ignore all consequences resulting out of it.'' and ''Well, both options are equal, so I can choose whichever I want, whatever I am more comfortable with.''

Or the choice "no matter what, I lose both ways so which way do I lose less". Some pick the choice to not take the job, and some take the job.

And then they will promptly be told that they have to broaden there perspective, not unlinke you, because otherwise they won't be getting work.

Well, I think you can use some broadening yourself. As it happens all the time. They can so no or yes. Do they really want to get that money, or do they really want to stick to their ideals. It would have to be up to them.

It's funny, because you don't even know if they use a resume or a portfolio or whatever, yet think you can tell me how the biz actually works.

Sure can. I can also tell you that "biz", that word died. So long ago.

No, the director will not change their scene for you, there are plenty of people willing to do it, you are easibly replaced.

Depending on the circumstances, they can work around it or not. If the person doesn't want to do the scene, they can walk away from it. Like any other job. Some times they do, some times they don't.

No, you can't just go and do another project because there is no other project that fits your criteria and was just waiting for you. Actually ask a Pornstar and have them tell you that the prevelance of Online Porn would keep them out of a Job if they didn't do things they don't want to do.

Sure you can, it may take a hell of a long time probably not even worth it in the long run but you could. Some times in the job market, you do things you don't want to do. Other times, you stick your chest out and keep pushing through.

And therefore won't have a Job and therefore no money, therefore neither food nor shelter.

Welcome to life. Things don't always work out.

It's the JOB part but don't worry, I don't expect much of you anymore anyway.

Ignorance really never expects anything . But it really is like any other legit job. Some do it for themselves, some do it for the money, and some just got the crap end of the stick in life.

It's funny because you're 18, what the fuck do you know about a career. Fuck all, thats what xD

It's funny, because I do know XD. If you don't have a passion for your career, it could be the highest paying, greatest benefits, powerful job in the world, and you'll still hate going in every day.

You realize that Porn pays pretty well? Better then most Jobs? You do know atleast that, right?

You didn't really read what I said. I said some made better money before they went into porn. Meaning they didn't do because they needed the financial gain (some even took a loss) but because they wanted to.

The funniest thing about this however is YOU calling ME ignorant, despite everything you have to say about it being pulled directly out of your ass.

I dare say my ass is untouched right now. If anything, you and I are in a stale mate of ass-pulling.

It's funny, because you know, both are legal here and guess what? They aren't mutually exclusive. Most of the women that I got to know did both, that's what I was there for, they couldn't actually do alot of choosing, so I was supposed to make sites where they could make and sell their own videos, in the hopes to not have to do the whole prostitution thing anymore and also not have to do whatever they are told to make money with porn. This might come as a shocker to you, but even a Nympho doesn't necessarily like the idea of putting a price or her orifices.

Seems to me like they were choosing.

No, it will not.

I see it has sparked a little so far. With people like me cropping up even now and then to defend it.

We have a distinct term for prostitution here, we call it ''The first profession'' and porn has existed pretty much as long as video capture has. Those fields will never be respected because of their nature. Get this, Sex is pretty much universally glorified, be it through love or just primal desire, that's why people selling it will never be respected, not even slightly, outside of their field. The common mindsight is that it is wrong and takes a person who is fucked up to begin with.

Our common mindsets have changed drastically in just the last decade, so this can change to.

The worst of the Nutjobs are 'merica exclusive

They are not just American exclusive, as there are nutjobs all over the world.

and as we all know, 'merica doesn't have alot of problems with violence but will go batshit over Janet Jacksons nipple. This would be giving the Nutjobs just more reason. And something current at that! See, reporting how CoD trains future soldiers doesn't work too well, it isn't hiding that it is a violent game and the actual soldiers overseas play it, so the rightwing wouldn't want to bash it necessarily for that, besides, it's been done a million times, you don't get people turning in for that. But spinning this in a way that Activision and by extension CoD propogate Pornography? That sure does sound like a story to me...and a catastrophe if you are Activision.

While you do have a point here, it wouldn't matter either way. They could still say the whole violence bit, they've said it a million times, they can say it a million more. I guess in reality though, they probably made the better choice, just in the wrong way.

Video Games are not going to be accepted as what they are anytime soon. When MY Generation has legislation, yeah, by then probably, but that is still about another 30-40 years from now.

Hey who knows nowadays. Maybe it's only a few years down the road, maybe it's the 30. Either way, it just takes a bit of time.

 

[Callate]

It's only going to be controversial in the more "liberal" circles that actually search gaming news. Which doesn't make a lot of fuss.

If an adult film star was in the party, it would find it's way into conservative media. And normally, parents who don't give a damn about video-game violence would not buy this game, even if it didn't have sex.

A game party in Amsterdam is going to make its way into the conservative media?... I'm having a hard time remembering the last time a game launch party made it into non-game media at all.

Adult film performer Asia Carrera had a site of her own skins and models for Unreal Tournament, and went on talk shows and talked about her love of computer games, with nary a peep. Sasha Grey is voicing one of the characters in Saints Row: The Third. Ginger Lynn Allen played a significant role in the live-action segments of Wing Commander III.

Holland was invited to a party in Amsterdam.

Look, I'm not going to say it's impossible; Fox News regularly makes video game-related hay out of less, as in the case of Mass Effect (though it's worth noting they made about an equal amount of fuss over supposed environmental propaganda in Sim City Societies and violence in Bulletstorm, so, y'know, whatever.)

And things working out as they have, whatever effects the invitation might have had must needs remain in the realm of the hypothetical.

Still, from where I stand, it seems frankly unlikely this news would have made it much farther than the Netherlands.

 

[ElPatron]

party

I doubt the party would be mentioned at all. Media would just pick up the "Porn star endorses Modern Warfare" and build a whole story from that point.

I remember that it was mentioned that Tera Patrick was in a Saints Row event, but nobody cares about that game outside the gaming world so no fuss was generated. Had it been a GTA game and the story would have been different.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Just remember, blood and guts are fine but sex is evil. The vagina is evil, boobs are kinda acceptable if used infrequently but may be habit forming, and don't even get me started on the penis.

I think I've had this rant before. *sigh*

 

[inquisiti0n]

it's always lame to take something back after you've given it out, but i don't see how it's hypocritical in anyway.


hell, she's practically comparing video games to real life.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

I'm reminded of the Penny Arcade comic all over again.

Linkage would be very helpful.

So violence is yay but porn is nay? Activision needs to go play Leisure Suit Larry uncensored.