EA Admits Poor Medal of Honor: Warfighter Sales

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EA Admits Poor Medal of Honor: Warfighter Sales


Electronic Arts has acknowledged that Medal of Honor: Warfighter sales are lower than expected.

Analyst Doug Creutz said last week [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/120259-Analyst-Predicts-Warfighter-Disaster] that Medal of Honor: Warfighter, EA's new modern combat FPS, was "likely to be a major disappointment," and it looks like he wasn't too far wrong. In a conference call with investors earlier today, CEO John Riccitiello said EA's third-quarter results are likely to be "soft," due primarily to weaker-than-expected sales of Warfighter. Specific numbers weren't revealed, but EA has reduced its full-year financial outlook by $50 million in response.

EA actually managed to post a slight year-over-year revenue gain for its second fiscal quarter, earning $1.08 billion, up from $1.034 over the same quarter in the previous year. "We are managing the ups and downs. Our Q1 and Q2 were better than expected," Riccitello said. "Our Q3 appears soft, due mostly to Medal of Honor."

The company noted that Warfighter actually managed to hit the top of the U.K. sales charts in its first week of release, although EA Labels President Frank Gibeau admitted that EA is "not pleased with the situation." He said that internal testing and mock reviews indicated that Warfighter is better than the ugly critical reception it has received thus far but added, "There are people out there who just don't like the game."

Our own MiracleOfSound awarded Medal of Honor: Warfighter a 2.5/5 score in the official Metacritic [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/reviews/10011-Medal-Of-Honor-Warfighter-Review] review score of 54.

Sources: Forbes [http://www.joystiq.com/2012/10/30/ea-recognizes-q3-will-be-soft-due-to-medal-of-honor-warfighte/]


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Andy Chalk

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looks like we might be finally starting to get to the end of the latest fad cycle. even the hardcore fanboys of this seem to be getting sick of it and wont accept a half assed game.

what next? back to world war 2?
 

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I take issue with the line " He said that internal testing and mock reviews indicated that Warfighter is better than the ugly critical reception it has received thus far".

The biggest problem with that is that internal testing and mock reviews mean pretty much nothing if everyone else in the real world hates it.
 
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Really? And you did so much for it. It's a sequel to a decent but not-too-special reboot, you rushed it out, requiring a big launch patch, held back reviews so nobody could learn anything about it, and didn't really advertise it that well.

The hell did you think would happen?
 

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nikki191 said:
looks like we might be finally starting to get to the end of the latest fad cycle. even the hardcore fanboys of this seem to be getting sick of it and wont accept a half assed game.

what next? back to world war 2?
Depending how well BO2 does we might be heading back to futuristic warefare or slightly more futuristic warfare.
 

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How the fuck did they not know this was going to happen. Anybody could've told them this.
 

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GAunderrated said:
nikki191 said:
looks like we might be finally starting to get to the end of the latest fad cycle. even the hardcore fanboys of this seem to be getting sick of it and wont accept a half assed game.

what next? back to world war 2?
Depending how well BO2 does we might be heading back to futuristic warefare or slightly more futuristic warfare.
Fine with me, I like robotics and nano-tech/magic in my shooters and pretty much every game I play. With the Modern Military Shooters it was all the same thing, Americans/U.K with their guns and either Russians/Koreans/Or some middle eastern guys with their guns. When you get back to futuristic themes you can make up a lot more stuff which is just way more interesting than the same two sides fighting with same damn weapons over and over again.
 

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They shouldn't have had such high expectations, they should realise that most people are dedicated to Battlefield or Call of Duty (or both). Strict CoD players are wayyyyy more likely to start playing Battlefield rather than Medal of Honour. Some Battlefield players, like myself, don't even like MoH. Don't know how they didn't see it coming really :/

I will give EA this though, they made the trailers look good (multiplayer and singleplayer) but after I played the Beta I decided it was a definite no go for me :/
 

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Warfighter
what a totally stupid name. What else do you expect to do in a wargame?

Warwoodfloorpolishing?
 

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Well we all know what happens next don't we? RIP Danger Close studio.

Not surprised it did badly after Totalbiscuit booted it not long ago.
 

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The only real way to kill off COD and BF and MOH games is to simply stop buying them. I have to buy a single one of these titles, due to just hiring them when they go weekly at my local Blockbuster...If we all did this, then finally these shitty series would be gone!
 

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BloodRed Pixel said:
Warfighter
what a totally stupid name. What else do expect to do in a wargame?

Warwoodfloorpolishing?

Well they were going for "Warmedic" but decided that the name was just too off-brief.
 

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Mangles69 said:
The only real way to kill off COD and BF and MOH games is to simply stop buying them. I have to buy a single one of these titles, due to just hiring them when they go weekly at my local Blockbuster...If we all did this, then finally these shitty series would be gone!
Or more like all of the series you hate. I like CoD, not sure about this "Modern Warfare 4" but I am looking forward to Blops 2. As for MoH, it probably should die though it's literally gone generic as you can go. Even compared to CoD.
 

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kajinking said:
GAunderrated said:
nikki191 said:
looks like we might be finally starting to get to the end of the latest fad cycle. even the hardcore fanboys of this seem to be getting sick of it and wont accept a half assed game.

what next? back to world war 2?
Depending how well BO2 does we might be heading back to futuristic warefare or slightly more futuristic warfare.
Fine with me, I like robotics and nano-tech/magic in my shooters and pretty much every game I play. With the Modern Military Shooters it was all the same thing, Americans/U.K with their guns and either Russians/Koreans/Or some middle eastern guys with their guns. When you get back to futuristic themes you can make up a lot more stuff which is just way more interesting than the same two sides fighting with same damn weapons over and over again.
I too would like to see more Sci Fi games instead of gritty modern games.

As a bonus we might see Battlefield 2143 next to compete with the direction Blops is going!
 

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nikki191 said:
looks like we might be finally starting to get to the end of the latest fad cycle. even the hardcore fanboys of this seem to be getting sick of it and wont accept a half assed game.

what next? back to world war 2?
God I hope so. And yes, I am deadly serious.

Hopefully this time they'll be forced to do more than the same old Omaha Beach D-Day story and realise that there's more material to use in WW2 than just about any other conflict humans have ever had.

Not to mention it's hard to argue that the fighting in WW2 wasn't important. Regardless of personal opinions, you can't ignore that there is far less agreement as to the value of the current War on Terror.
 

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I'm not surprised at all considering the lack of advertising on EAs part. For every other game that was positioned as a major release this fall I have seen tons of ads in the weeks leading up to and the the weeks following release(Borderlands 2, Resident Evil 5, Dishonored, Assassin's Creed 3, Black Ops 2). I don't think I saw a single ad for Medal of Honor. It is possible I missed them and they were advertising heavily when I wasn't looking, but that seems highly unlikely considering how much I couldn't avoid all the rest of the video game related ads.
 

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I..what? When was this released? I'm incredibly confused, I thought it was coming out later in this year.
 

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Yes, there are people out there who don't like the game? But you know why? It's not because they're CoD HXC fans or something like that. It's because the game sucks! Seriously! What happened there?

Alright, the campaign is fine but most people who buy a FPS don't buy it just to play the campaign and that's it. The multiplayer menu itself is confusing, the game randomly pairs you up with people and just as easily switches your game, if you're inviting someone to your squad, it's a 50/50 chance the game WILL pair you up with your buddy, the pop-up-next-to-my-buddy feature was actually a pretty bad idea, the knife/axe takes a second to react (very important if you've played any FPS) and just...ugh. Some things are fine such as the graphics (even though when you die, your character looks ridiculously similar to a ragdoll) and the fact that you can shoot through some objects; it's not the first time its been done but still.

It plays a lot like Battlefield 3 and while I didn't like BF3, I admit it was good. But MoH:W is just not fun. And it sucks because I wanted it to be good. A game written by actual soldiers? Alright, that sounds good.
But it wasn't.

Was there a beta for this game? I wanna say yes but I forgot. and if there was, then what the hell, EA?

[sub][sub]...unless the released MoH just to make a quick buck while they finish BF4. Sounds like something that would happen.[/sub][/sub]
 

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I probably shouldn't be savagely gladdened by this news, 'cause, y'know, people's hard work and jobs and livelihood and whatnot.

But I am. I really, really am.

I have issues with the modern military shooter genre at the best of times. I find the whole Arab/Russian murder-em-up ohh-rah fantasy distinctly creepy at the best of time. Like a fifteen year old boy playing with a switchblade and muttering about stabbing his stepdad.

But cross that with decidedly crummy design and execution and, yeah... they deserve every bit of failure they get.
 

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It was pretty much a foregone conclusion that the game would be an underachiever. There was little to no marketing campaign to speak of - the only thing I saw was a horrible Linkin Park video that had nothing to do with anything. The sooner they get back to the classic roam-anywhere campaigns, the better.

BTW, Allied Assault (and its expansions) are $10 right now on GoG - a way better use of your time.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
He said that internal testing and mock reviews indicated that Warfighter is better than the ugly critical reception it has received thus far but added, "There are people out there who just don't like the game."
I am just dying here, they seriously said something so incredibly daft as that?

Mock reviews oh lord.
 

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OHH EHM GEE!! Gaem so turrible, whole trend needz 2 dye!! S2pid "modern shooters" just jeneric cooky cuter gaems maed fer anyooal proffits!!

Am I doing it right?

Seriously though, I don't think anyone really expected it to be a mindblowing, innovative experience for...well, anyone I suppose. 'Cept maybe those Die Hard MoH fans out there.
 

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Release game that's nearly identical to competitor: better sales.

I don't think that's how it works fellas.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
He said that internal testing and mock reviews indicated that Warfighter is better than the ugly critical reception it has received thus far but added, "There are people out there who just don't like the game."
"But we thought our game was pretty good!"

I wonder whether they have any idea how silly they sound bringing that up.
 

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Hello EA. I just thought I would let you know that MOH is a series renowned for being worse than COD for over a decade.

If you would like to make a FPS that's great! Just don't use an old IP that was never great and will obviously never be great. Maybe try a dev team that doesn't suck, or creating a game with a title that doesn't make gamers puke.
 

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Are you telling me the brownest, most generic FPS ever (and I realize the competition for that is brutal) is not flying off the shelves?
 

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Hello EA. I just thought I would let you know that MOH is a series renowned for being worse than COD for over a decade.
It's even more tragic when you remember that Infinity Ward was formed from a group of developers who worked on Medal of Honor: Allied Assault.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
He said that internal testing and mock reviews indicated that Warfighter is better than the ugly critical reception it has received thus far but added, "There are people out there who just don't like the game."
ORLY?!
Andy Chalk said:
It currently has a cross-platform Metacritic [http://www.metacritic.com/search/all/medal+of+honor+warfighter/results] review score of 54.
I wonder why, OH! No I do not. The game is a hyper linear, derivative, unoriginal shooter that tries to be better than what is already out there by doing the same damn thing. People who want to play COD will play COD, why would they want something that does the same exact thing, only worse?! They will not.
 

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Is it really that risky to go beyond the tired, stale, and overused CoD style if this is the result of playing it safe?

I guess the fact it sold anything at all is enough for them.
 

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So basically EA has come out and said "Our game is actually awesome, but our critics and consumers are too stupid to realize it"

Way to go EA, earn that consumer trust and goodwill!
 

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We all know that EA failed in courting reviewers and media outlets as is currently custom, hence the frosty critical response when in other times if EA had gone with the status quo I'd reckon it would be in the 80s.

It's also not going to help that writers are just looking for any excuse to pander to it's fans and bash EA, so the circus goes on...
 

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I like this whole "modern warfare shooters crumbling" thing. Sure, Call of Duty is not out of steam yet, but Warfighter is the prime example of what's wrong with modern warfare shooters.

That said, Battlefield 3 is still an amazing game. But that's because it's inherited that from Battlefield 2; which was amazing too and is getting pretty old.
 

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The only reason i think that this game hasnt sold well is becaus its a military shooter. But even so its a really good game, it blows cod out of the water with ease. I cant stand that everywhere on the interwebs that you go there are people bashing on it and odds are those people havnt even played it...
 

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Remerik said:
The only reason i think that this game hasnt sold well is becaus its a military shooter. But even so its a really good game, it blows cod out of the water with ease. I cant stand that everywhere on the interwebs that you go there are people bashing on it and odds are those people havnt even played it...
I haven't played this game and only have a review and video to go on for judging its' quality. This is the video in question:


Now, is this one example of many for the single player segment or is this just a rough area that's being singled out?

I imagine that to people who enjoy the game, the issues presented in the video don't bother them but for myself, I'd find it really irritating.
 

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NO! Really?
But people like sequels.
Also people like gray, dull military porn.
And we can surely agree that everyone likes non-existent single player campaign.
And Linkin Park, especially their newest albums, are loved by millions.
This makes no sense. MoH should have been sold better than TES5:Skyrim
I don't even know what went wrong here [/sarcasm]
 

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I love how EA just came out to tell us that we were so taken aback by this game's awesomeness that we misinterpreted our own opinions calling the game shit and all. But I am actually happy this has failed. Maybe now we can leave this grayish/brown military shooters and go back to something more fun and inventive. While I'm fantasising about this I also hope that CoD flops so that's another dull franchise multiplayer online killed. In fact if they want to make CoD multiplayer, then why don't they drop the campaign wolesale and have it released as a browser/mmo subscription shooter, like Combat Arms, even thought that's free.
 

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It sucked because they're bad publishers.

IF they'd just given the development team a reasonable budget and a relatively generous timescale, I'm sure it would have been a better game. But to be blunt nobody I know's even cared for another MoH. I can't speak for everybody now but I'm pretty damn sure there's a growing consensus which says "we're sick to death of Modern Military Shooters". Even CoD's moved away from it. The only people who I would say aren't sick of them are the kind of people who buy sports games on pre-order every single year.

From what I've seen of MoH:WF, it's buggy, railroaded to hell and back, and about as generic as you can possibly make a MMS.

Why won't Publishers just realise that they can't make every game cater for every single gamer out there? Make a game for a specific demographic, so it will be fucking epic and sell like hotcakes for its fans, people WITH an interest and their friends and friends' friends; rather than some watered down crap that attempts to appeal to every sod with a general interest in gaming.

Point and case Bethesda, Valve and Creative Assembly. These all do it right and none of them are at risk of losing business. Hell, I think all of them are on the up. Valve's still growing by keeping their ip's to how fans expect and running their games store and DRM in an appealing way, Bethesda just made a killing by placing faith in a new singleplayer IP, and Creative Assembly's got its biggest budget ever for Rome 2. Hell, Obsidian just nailed it on kickstarter by promising to keep their next IP strongly within the borders of a classic genre. Because of that they've now cut out any need for middlemen such as EA - not by advertising broader appeal, but by advertising the opposite.

If EA thinks rapid releases, broader appeal, MMS' and multiplayer are the only ways to sell a game successfully, they'll be liquidated or bought [partially] out by the end of the decade. Hell, if they don't change their ways within the next year I'll put money on it in Ladbrokes or Betfred.
 

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So how's the multiplayer?
That's what people will be buying it for.
 

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The people at the top of EA who make the decisions on what games to make/fund are usually suits with business degrees who don't have a single creative bone in them and don't understand the community and don't want to. They simply look at what appears to be popular now and clone it to try and make a fast buck. Oh look WoW is really good lets slap that formula on another franchise and make a MMORPG (Warhammer Age of Reckoning).

Hey lets try rebooting some of the old IP we ripped out from the many studios we gutted over the years. Hmmm Syndicate was a tactical RTS game. Lets just reboot it as an unimaginative FPS. Oh what Syndicate bombed. Lets make more FPS.

Oh look COD is awesome lets make a gritty miltary FPS when we already have a military FPS that came out only a year ago. Oh! Warhammer AOR bombed, lets retry that really successful formula with another IP, Star Wars. Oh our clones are failing! SWTOR gonna go F2P less than a year after release, MOH getting panned by everyone! What gives! we simply copied what our competitors were doing, why doesn't it work???

See the problem EA?
 

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Well this should be interesting to watch, I wonder if their stock is going to take another dip.

Wait a minute, how come this sold so well in the UK?
 

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Squilookle said:
nikki191 said:
looks like we might be finally starting to get to the end of the latest fad cycle. even the hardcore fanboys of this seem to be getting sick of it and wont accept a half assed game.

what next? back to world war 2?
God I hope so. And yes, I am deadly serious.

Hopefully this time they'll be forced to do more than the same old Omaha Beach D-Day story and realise that there's more material to use in WW2 than just about any other conflict humans have ever had.

Not to mention it's hard to argue that the fighting in WW2 wasn't important. Regardless of personal opinions, you can't ignore that there is far less agreement as to the value of the current War on Terror.
Call of Duty: The 100 Year War
 

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Well this should be interesting to watch, I wonder if their stock is going to take another dip.

Wait a minute, how come this sold so well in the UK?
Needed filler while waiting for Halo and/or COD to drop?
 

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squid5580 said:
erttheking said:
Well this should be interesting to watch, I wonder if their stock is going to take another dip.

Wait a minute, how come this sold so well in the UK?
Needed filler while waiting for Halo and/or COD to drop?
I'm just curious because I'm surprised that these American military shooters actually appeal to people over seas.
 

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Warfighter
what a totally stupid name. What else do expect to do in a wargame?

Warwoodfloorpolishing?
I'd hate to see what it'd be as a post-war life simulator.

Medal of honor: WararrivehomeonaboatandstartlookingforajobbutyouhavetogetredundanttraininginyourfieldbeforeyoucangetemployedagainandthenyoufinallygetajobbutthengetfiredasaresultofPTSDhallucinationsandendupbeggingonthestreet.

Rolls right off the tongue, eh?

Edit: And apparently off the page too. Oh well.
 

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It was a crappy, generic, buggy, unfinished "modern shooter" released a month before CODBLOPS2 and Halo 4.. no one wants it.
 

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Korten12 said:
Mangles69 said:
The only real way to kill off COD and BF and MOH games is to simply stop buying them. I have to buy a single one of these titles, due to just hiring them when they go weekly at my local Blockbuster...If we all did this, then finally these shitty series would be gone!
Or more like all of the series you hate. I like CoD, not sure about this "Modern Warfare 4" but I am looking forward to Blops 2. As for MoH, it probably should die though it's literally gone generic as you can go. Even compared to CoD.
I can't remember where I read it but a reviewer rather poignantly pointed out that the comparison between warfighter and modern warfare 3 boils down to modern warfare 3 being good at hiding the smoke and mirrors that rail you along the campaign with environments built for it, warfigfhter doesn't, it just has areas of instadeatht hat aren't clearly marked out to the player, in both single and multiplayer.
 

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erttheking said:
squid5580 said:
erttheking said:
Well this should be interesting to watch, I wonder if their stock is going to take another dip.

Wait a minute, how come this sold so well in the UK?
Needed filler while waiting for Halo and/or COD to drop?
I'm just curious because I'm surprised that these American military shooters actually appeal to people over seas.
Maybe because people overseas can relate to it as well. The English had some hands in this "war on terror" didn't they? So it would really just boil down to different accents and uniforms
 

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So how's the multiplayer?
That's what people will be buying it for.
It's alright, pretty fun overall. Maps are a touch bland and weapons a touch unbalanced though, the maps in particular annoy me because they're the epitome of not letting you explore, they boil down to a few corridors and a couple houses with MAYBE an upstairs window, so it suffers the same issue as BF3 where you can't really gain highground and such except for very specific locations or by abusing glitch (like flying up on top of skyscrapers on top of the UAV thingy in BF3, wish they hadn;'t patched that one).
 

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I hope somebody picks up that phone . . . BECAUSE I FUCKING CALLED IT!

But really, a lot of people, many of whom are on this site, were able to see that this game likely wouldn't sell well, so why couldn't EA see it? They're releasing it near the same time as Black Ops 2, they held back reviews, and they didn't market the game very well. What else did they really expect to happen?
 

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...and on that day, not one single fuck was given about EA's other other other FPS shooter.

Don't they realise, we don't want more military shooters, we have plenty, we want zombie survival, sandbox games. If they don't bring anything new to the table, then why should we even consider looking at this. Frankly, I think Ghost Recon 1 and 2 got it spot on, just the sort of hardcore military shooter I enjoyed, big teams of players working together to finish a mission perfectly.
 

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Military shooters need to be revamped. This was getting out of hand and now it's just ridiculous. Doorfighter was so obviously rushed they had a 1.7GB patch to fix gamebreaking issues.

Zhukov said:
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There is a very defined meaning of murder, and it's not what you think it is. In most games, if you just stand around enemies they will kill you without hesitation (except in really bad AI cases) and in the real world that is a perfectly justifiable homicide - not murder. If Warfighter is a murder simulation, so is Final Fantasy, Mario or [insert other beloved franchise which isn't a shooter].

hazabaza1 said:
So how's the multiplayer?
That's what people will be buying it for.
Reviewers are actually praising it's "originality" with the Fireteam system.

Never mind that the concept was present as a squad system long ago in previous Battlefield games.
 

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This is what happens when you make shit. Just let the developers make quality games for once you fuckin' retards.
 

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I would have bought it, but uneven tiled floors are one of my phobias.
 

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squid5580 said:
Squilookle said:
nikki191 said:
looks like we might be finally starting to get to the end of the latest fad cycle. even the hardcore fanboys of this seem to be getting sick of it and wont accept a half assed game.

what next? back to world war 2?
God I hope so. And yes, I am deadly serious.

Hopefully this time they'll be forced to do more than the same old Omaha Beach D-Day story and realise that there's more material to use in WW2 than just about any other conflict humans have ever had.

Not to mention it's hard to argue that the fighting in WW2 wasn't important. Regardless of personal opinions, you can't ignore that there is far less agreement as to the value of the current War on Terror.
Call of Duty: The 100 Year War
Who and what are you trying to reply to here?
 

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ElPatron said:
Zhukov said:
murder-em-up
There is a very defined meaning of murder, and it's not what you think it is. In most games, if you just stand around enemies they will kill you without hesitation (except in really bad AI cases) and in the real world that is a perfectly justifiable homicide - not murder. If Warfighter is a murder simulation, so is Final Fantasy, Mario or [insert other beloved franchise which isn't a shooter].
I know what the definition of murder is. The premeditated and unlawful killing of a person.

Most of the killing in your average military FPS is premeditated. Your character goes around the world for the specific purpose of carrying out lethal violence, as evidenced by the large quantities of weaponry they take with them. You're usually on the offensive, so you could just as readily say that the enemies are just defending themselves.

As for lawfulness, that gets pretty sketchy when applied to cross border operations. Whose laws are we going by? However, many of the actions depicted would most definitely be unlawful according to the laws of the country in which they were undertaken.

For a specific example in MoH:WF, see the one mission where you attempt to kidnap (premeditated) some guy off the street, then chase him down and kill all the people trying to protect him.

Murder-em-up.
 

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He said that internal testing and mock reviews indicated that Warfighter is better than the ugly critical reception it has received thus far
Doesn't that translate to "But...but...but we told ourselves this game was gonna be awesome!"
 

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Zhukov said:
ElPatron said:
Zhukov said:
murder-em-up
There is a very defined meaning of murder, and it's not what you think it is. In most games, if you just stand around enemies they will kill you without hesitation (except in really bad AI cases) and in the real world that is a perfectly justifiable homicide - not murder. If Warfighter is a murder simulation, so is Final Fantasy, Mario or [insert other beloved franchise which isn't a shooter].
I know what the definition of murder is. The premeditated and unlawful killing of a person.

Most of the killing in your average military FPS is premeditated. Your character goes around the world for the specific purpose of carrying out lethal violence, as evidenced by the large quantities of weaponry they take with them. You're usually on the offensive, so you could just as readily say that the enemies are just defending themselves.

As for lawfulness, that gets pretty sketchy when applied to cross border operations. However, many of the actions depicted would most definitely be unlawful according to the laws of the country in which they were undertaken.

For a specific example in MoH:WF, see the one mission where you attempt to kidnap some guy off the street, then chase him down and kill all the people trying to protect him.

Murder-em-up.
Thing is soldiers kill in wartime where peacetime laws don't apply. What would normally be seen as murder during peacetime is the incapacitation of an enemy combatant during wartime.

So I wouldn't say that Military FPS's are murder-em-ups (not to the extent that GTA games are).
 

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Zhukov said:
Murder-em-up.
Thing is soldiers kill in wartime where peacetime laws don't apply. What would normally be seen as murder during peacetime is the incapacitation of an enemy combatant during wartime.

So I wouldn't say that Military FPS's are murder-em-ups (not to the extent that GTA games are).
a) Whose peacetime laws exactly? The country from which the killers hail from may not consider their action to be murder, but you can bet the country in which the killing happens does.

b) Many of the operations depicted in military FPSs are secret "black ops" that don't take place as a part of a legally defined war. Presumably so the player can get that little extra elicit thrill from murdering digital people.
 

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Most of the killing in your average military FPS is premeditated.
You don't know who you will face in combat, or if there will be any combat at all. How can you premeditate the murder of someone you don't know and that you don't even know if they'll show up? Specially if when they do show up, they fire at you?

Sounds like a legitimate shot to me, if every armed personnel in a location is assumed to be the enemy I think that removes the legal boundaries of killing people to military forces.

Zhukov said:
Your character goes around the world for the specific purpose of carrying out lethal violence, as evidenced by the large quantities of weaponry they take with them.
That's not evidence.

What you just said is like saying that anyone who is interested in collecting firearms/having an arsenal at home wants to kill people. That if I want to own a fast car, I want to drive over the speed limit.

I'll let you in on a little secret: everyday I carry my penis with me out on the street, and so far I haven't raped anyone. I might have it with me concealed, but I don't have that intention, you know?

Zhukov said:
You're usually on the offensive, so you could just as readily say that the enemies are just defending themselves.
That's what Hitler said.

Boom, played the Hitler Card right there. In seriousness, if we are considering those places a warzone then obviously the one who threw the first rock is the aggressor. We can't just cut away a small section of the big picture and analyze that.

I don't think a criminal has the right to kill a cop to "defend himself". You don't shoot cops if you're in the right. How would you like if a bombmaker on your building just blew it all to smithereens because he wanted to defend himself from the SWAT team outside?

Zhukov said:
lawfulness snip
This is a moray grey area for me, and I'm willing to turn a blind eye to someone's rights if themselves are infringing humans rights and there is no legit way of catching them.

Specially if they are just a bunch of polygons on a videogame.
 

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kajinking said:
GAunderrated said:
nikki191 said:
looks like we might be finally starting to get to the end of the latest fad cycle. even the hardcore fanboys of this seem to be getting sick of it and wont accept a half assed game.

what next? back to world war 2?
Depending how well BO2 does we might be heading back to futuristic warefare or slightly more futuristic warfare.
Fine with me, I like robotics and nano-tech/magic in my shooters and pretty much every game I play. With the Modern Military Shooters it was all the same thing, Americans/U.K with their guns and either Russians/Koreans/Or some middle eastern guys with their guns. When you get back to futuristic themes you can make up a lot more stuff which is just way more interesting than the same two sides fighting with same damn weapons over and over again.
I too would like to see more Sci Fi games instead of gritty modern games.

As a bonus we might see Battlefield 2143 next to compete with the direction Blops is going!
Oh god if they announced Battlefield 2143 I may just go and buy a better computer, or at the least just throw all my money at DICE.
OT: How could they not see it would be bad? The game had nothing to differentiate it from any other shooter, why would anyone want that?
 

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Zhukov said:
MrFalconfly said:
Zhukov said:
Murder-em-up.
Thing is soldiers kill in wartime where peacetime laws don't apply. What would normally be seen as murder during peacetime is the incapacitation of an enemy combatant during wartime.

So I wouldn't say that Military FPS's are murder-em-ups (not to the extent that GTA games are).
a) Whose peacetime laws exactly? The country from which the killers hail from may not consider their action to be murder, but you can bet the country in which the killing happens does.

b) Many of the operations depicted in military FPSs are secret "black ops" that don't take place as a part of a legally defined war. Presumably so the player can get that little extra elicit thrill from murdering digital people.
a) Peacetime laws no matter from which country gets trumphed by the international code of war (in daily speech "The Geneva COnvention") during war.

b) Realistically. Apart from Truly Black Operations (like the SAS Sniper Op depicted in CoD 4), which of these doesn't happen during an already ongoing war?
 

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So what exactly are "mock reviews"?

I am imagining the following scene: CEO enters the PR office, smiling like a child on Christmas Morning, with the gold master copy of MoH: Warfighter, and tells their people to critique the game, like a critic would.

"Don't hold back," he says still grinning joyfully, "be as honest as you can."

The PR people look at each other. All air seems to have been sucked out of the room. What remains is pure tension. The head of PR loosens his tie as he puts the CD into the game machine and installs the code.

They play. For an hour or so. Then they are once again met by the CEO's face in happy expectation.

Should they tell him? The truth would clearly break his heart (if it's even made of a material capable of such a feat), and even worse: it would get them all fired, if not worse. Unhireable, that's the word. With a deep breath and a short prayer, he hands the CEO the sheet labeled "MOCK REVIEW: MEDAL OF HONOR WARFIGHTER".

It reads: "10/10 - a must play!"

Whistling happily, the CEO thanks the department and gets on with his work. Until the true reviews come in...
 

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Oh god if they announced Battlefield 2143 I may just go and buy a better computer, or at the least just throw all my money at DICE.
They have, it'll be in a similar vein to BF1943 on XBL though, but still should be worth a look. I am a huge fan of 2142, easily the most fun of all the BF games, Titan battles especially, so dynamic. A full 2142 sequel would be awesome, but I think we'll have to make do with a 1943 style re-vamp.
 

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5 Dollars says they STILL try to keep this franchise alive and yet, will hold Dead Space hostage.
 

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Yeah of course people paid directly or indirectly by EA are going to be totally impartial on the games quality aren't they?
 

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Warfighter
what a totally stupid name. What else do expect to do in a wargame?

Warwoodfloorpolishing?

Well they were going for "Warmedic" but decided that the name was just too off-brief.
I would so totally like to play Warchaplain:
blessing hundreds of soldiers before they are sent out to die, telling that it's God's way to those few who come back in one or more pieces and taking the last confessions of the deserters etc. before they are shot and then dying because of a liver-malfunctioning.
 

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Kargathia said:
Andy Chalk said:
He said that internal testing and mock reviews indicated that Warfighter is better than the ugly critical reception it has received thus far but added, "There are people out there who just don't like the game."
"But we thought our game was pretty good!"

I wonder whether they have any idea how silly they sound bringing that up.
Yeah, I kinda laughed at that. Even if a "mock review" is asking a playtester to write a 1-10 based on their fun level, I'm sure the fear of getting fired or having someone on the team right near you in person would add a few numbers to the one in your head. Don't predict the future by internal opinion.
 

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A tepid and mediocre title gets a tepid response.
The shock of this occasion has rendered me speechless.

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(Actually, this is surprising. I was expecting glowing reviews from the shills who suck up to EA year after year. Guess their bribery budget is running a tad low.)
 

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Battlefield 2143. Make this happen EA, and we can once again be friends... Maybe...
 

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A sequel to an FPS game which warranted a resounding "Pfft" from players and reviewers alike and was released close to the much anticipated Assassin's Creed III is doing poorly?

 

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Ah, EA. The only publisher who act surprised when people don't recieve the game as well as the other people they paid to play and "mock review" their game.

Seriously, "mock review?" What in the absolute fuck is that? Do movie studios have mock reviews for their films?
 

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kajinking said:
GAunderrated said:
nikki191 said:
looks like we might be finally starting to get to the end of the latest fad cycle. even the hardcore fanboys of this seem to be getting sick of it and wont accept a half assed game.

what next? back to world war 2?
Depending how well BO2 does we might be heading back to futuristic warefare or slightly more futuristic warfare.
Fine with me, I like robotics and nano-tech/magic in my shooters and pretty much every game I play. With the Modern Military Shooters it was all the same thing, Americans/U.K with their guns and either Russians/Koreans/Or some middle eastern guys with their guns. When you get back to futuristic themes you can make up a lot more stuff which is just way more interesting than the same two sides fighting with same damn weapons over and over again.
Actually, I wouldnt mind seeing something along the lines of MGS4's War Economy[footnote]Where the economy is built around war. Usually small scale, constant wars as oppose to a single big global war.[/footnote] If I remember right, most of these wars were fought with PMC instead of national militarys, as to maintain such a military was to expensive. Would be a little more interesting, especially if they have the multiply view point of the same level (First part you are with the attackers, second you switch to a guy thats defending the place. Hell, they could include a multiplayer metagame of some sort.

Thinking about it, I think MAG did this somewhat, but that story was just to justify what was basically wanking over the fact they had the ability to let 256 players playing on a single map at one time.
 

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looks like we might be finally starting to get to the end of the latest fad cycle. even the hardcore fanboys of this seem to be getting sick of it and wont accept a half assed game.

what next? back to world war 2?
My vote is on future. What with mechwarrior, hawken, planetside 2, and blops 2, I think it's almost set in stone.
 

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Remember what innovation was like? Let's get back to that!
While I do look forward to games like Hitman Absolution for being a breath of fresh air in my gaming collection, I just noticed how odd it is that today innovation is doing what used to be done in games. Games such as Hitman Absolution or The Last of Us, games that bring back old features lost in favor for more mainstream games, innovative? No, but it's tons better than what other games like MoH Warfighter is trying to do, which is simply trying to get some of that CoD money...

Still, Blops 2 looks IMO interesting and I'm in such of a situation that I can afford to get that game along with many other big games, MoH Warfighter was not included though. How could that game ever hope to compete with more unique games like Dishonored, AC3 and Hitman is beyond me.
 

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So EA didn't think that maybe a COD clone that doesn't even do what COD does half as well with a half-assed attempt to put an emotional twist on the average action combined with bugs, shitty MP interface, and generally boring, repetitive, seen-it-all design wouldn't sell well?

Hell, when Call of Duty, your chief rival, decides to put this shit in the near future for a change with an interesting plot idea (let's see if it holds up), you know it's time to reconsider this shit for a moment.
 

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The thing is, has the Medal of Honor series even mattered that much in the last decade or so? I mean Allied Assault and Frontline were top notch games in 2002, but a year later we're introduced to the original Call of Duty that gives you friendly AI squads, soldiers with personality, and multiple campaigns letting you see the war from other countries viewpoints. As much as I loved Allied Assault and Frontline, the original CoD is superior in every way. Rising Sun was an interesting attempt to bring the Pacific Theater into video games, but the game fell flat and was showed up 5 years later with Call of Duty: World at War. Pacific Assault was a good attempt and was a perfect example of what you could do if you took your time, and while European Assault was a valiant attempt of copying some of Call of Duty's mechanics and implementing them into your game, it was too little too late because 5 months later here comes Call of Duty 2 and we get to see World War II for the first time on brand new technology. Heroes, Vanguard, and Airborne were all missed opportunities while the Call of Duty series was busy shaking things up by moving the setting to a more contemporary one, which then took you 3 years to catch up to with the rebooted Medal of Honor. The game was lukewarmly received and released just in time to have Call of Duty firmly cemented in the public consciousness as the big yearly event of video games. Basically EA... you lost, admit it and put this franchise to bed.
 

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Honestly... I even wonder how many of the people in here actually played the game. Not everyone is going to like it, but dont go bashing it just because 'the cool kids bash this game.'

Im actually one of the ones who enjoy it, the single player I havent touched (I should really put that out there). The multiplayer, to me, is flipping amazing. And before you say it, ive got Assassins Creed, Dark Souls, and even Portal 2 on my game shelf, including others.

Its a much better shooter than alot of games, and it goes away from the normal arcade shooters of the current generation (like COD). So yeah, id give it a 4/5 myself for the mutliplayer, because yes, its not perfect, but its damn good anyway.
 

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Well this should be interesting to watch, I wonder if their stock is going to take another dip.

Wait a minute, how come this sold so well in the UK?
not much else comming out at the time + too much disposable income = buying a game they wouldn't normally bother with?
 

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I liked the Medal of Honor series on PSX. Please leave those fond memories alone and stop using it for your CoD clones!