- Dec 16, 2008
Someone let EA's PR team out of the Isocubes again...
its funny you say that because until last month i was still running xp, and tbh i was rather comfortable for some high end games, ive just upgraded to future proof myself for a few yearsluvd1 said:
Forgive me but I hate the way these people throw around "The CLoud", the cloud is anything past your own closed system, it's not some magical thing, it's a bloody server. I wish they'd just call it private hosting/storage.Dexter111 said:Don't be silly, since Sim City it's clear as day what he means, "EA Sports games require the power of the cloud to run", but the power of the cloud is still not strong enough for yearly roster updates.Andy Chalk said:That's a bold statement and Taneja offers no details to back it up, but I have to wonder how either the Xbone or the PS4 would stack up against a PC built around, say, a 4.5 Ghz quad-core CPU and three Nvidia Titans - since we are, after all, talking about the "highest-end PCs" available. Or is he referring to mass-market machines, the sort of off-the-rack (but still relatively "high-end") Dell rig your mom might buy to send emails and play hidden object games? That's a different scenario entirely, and one in which this comparison fits far more easily - but that's also a demographic that's far less likely to be interested in what Rajat Taneja thinks about the coming generation of consoles.
Anandtech had an interesting article on that: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4At some point, both Sony and Microsoft will release detailed specs about the hardware in, and performance of, their new gaming consoles - and until it does, claims like this, even coming from a guy who'd appear to be in a position to know, are just going to look silly.
Did not realize that. Good to know. In that case my pc is all around superior. I guess my only concern at that point is how well the pc ports are optimized at that point, but that always varies game to game.TheComfyChair said:The cpu is more akin to the kind of cpus you find in tablets. It's not a match for even a modern dual core. Anandtech have an article on the jaguar architecture. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic architecture from amd, but it's a netbook one, not a high performance one (i.e. desktop pc and normal sized laptop) like Intel core or amd bulldozer.Another said:Ahahahahahaha! I built most of my pc 3 years ago, and I still have better stats than the Xbox one and PS4 (Exception is processor, have better clock speed but fewer cores). Only thing I upgraded was my graphics card recently to a 680.
God, the industry as a whole has just been painful to listen to the last few days.
But PCs have had SoCs for a few years now In fact, the exact architectures used in the xbox and PS4 SoCs are to appear in netbooks within a couple of months. The xbox and PS4 are just using an AMD APU. Sure, they're APUs that have a vastly different CPU/GPU ratio (normal APUs have a vastly superior CPU and a weaker GPU than the PS4/Xbone), but APUs all the same.Raesvelg said:You do realize that, aside from the incredible bias present in the way it was reported here, he never actually said that the new consoles will be more powerful than current high-end PCs?
Because he didn't.
It's easy to conflate his statement about the new consoles being more powerful than the old consoles with his statement about the system architecture being a generation ahead of current PC architecture. But it's still a mistake to do so.
Whether or not he's correct in the statement he actually made, of course, is... debatable. SoC architecture has some significant advantages, to be sure, but you can't upgrade individual components on that chip, obviously. For single-purpose, mass-produced devices like consoles and tablets though, his statement is incontrovertibly true.
How is the PS4 so far ahead of the Xbox One when it uses the same frickin APU from AMD as the One does?. The DDR4 and GDDR5 hardly makes any difference. As linked above the APU was designed by AMD to be used in smart phones a tablets. So these next consoles are only going to be a bit faster than some to be releases smartphones and tablets. Generations ahead my a$$.Adam Jensen said:If he limited himself to saying that the PS4 is a generation ahead of the PC, I would have no beef with this. Because frankly, it kind of is with it's 8 gigs of GDDR5 and a very good 8 core x86 processor plus a pretty solid 1.8tflops GPU and a massive memory bandwidth that makes me stand in awe. Consoles can use their power a lot more efficiently than most PC's. Even if they are less powerful. But the Xbox One is already very far behind. 8 gigs of DDR3 and a 1.2tflops GPU is pretty weak regardless of how they manage to distribute that power. My 4.9Ghz i7, AMD 7890 and 16gb of DDR3 demolish the Xbox One.
Now all this console power won't make any difference when the consoles are released. DDR4 and GDDR5 are both coming to PC in 2014 along with new processors, graphics cards and motherboards. PC will be the most powerful machine by the end of the second quarter of 2014 probably. Not to mention one thing that really makes a huge difference and consoles don't have it. The motherfuckin' SSD.
A 2GHz dual core processor (like a core 2 duo, since that's the kind of thing they're referencing) isn't far off what a 360 can do, and skyrim doesn't use 512MB of vRAM at console settings. Sure, it uses more system RAM, but it can afford to (and a lot of games simply keep many more of the assets in system memory so it doesn't have to do things like 'stream' to memory - which drains performance), and as a result it doesn't suffer from horrendous issues like the PS3 version has with running out of memory.Lightknight said:While I would certainly question his comments, I should point out again that consoles are optimized in an entirely different way than pcs and specs are not directly comparable.
Skyrim's minimum pc requirements requires a 2.0 GHz dual core processor, 2GB of RAM and a DX9c video card with 512MB RAM.
Yet it is playble on systems with 6-7 year old CPUs that have 512MB of RAM (The ps3 even divides its RAM into two segments).