But, the industry is not letting Sleeping Dogs lie.undeadsuitor said:
Ot, I'd rather Bioware do something new than just re-release the old stuff. But, then again I'd also rather they do a sequel to Jade Empire than the Mass Effect series.
EA Has No Intention Of Releasing Remastered Mass Effect For Current Gen.
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Ot, I'd rather Bioware do something new than just re-release the old stuff. But, then again I'd also rather they do a sequel to Jade Empire than the Mass Effect series.
The last game came out all of three years ago.
If you're about to finish the trilogy again then you're clearly still quite capable of playing the series at your leisure. It's not like the new gen consoles suddenly made the old ones disappear in a puff of smoke.
If they were to release a next gen remaster I certainly wouldn't mind, just like I didn't mind the TLoU remaster, but getting angry over them not doing it (yet) is just ridiculous.
If you're about to finish the trilogy again then you're clearly still quite capable of playing the series at your leisure. It's not like the new gen consoles suddenly made the old ones disappear in a puff of smoke.
If they were to release a next gen remaster I certainly wouldn't mind, just like I didn't mind the TLoU remaster, but getting angry over them not doing it (yet) is just ridiculous.
I've gotten sick of this remastered craze, so this doesn't bother me too much. Oh certainly, I will grab a remastered version of a game if it is physically impossible or next to impossible to acquire it normally, like the Homeworld Remaster. I just don't see the point of playing the same game with slightly higher resolutions when I already own it. I'm not a graphics whore so 4k or 1080p doesn't interest me too much.
Honestly, the only reason I would even want something like Mass Effect to get a "remaster" is if it came with every, single DLC (both free, paid, and [used to be] exclusive to their respected disks) included from the get-go (and not locked) on top of all three games being on one disk... But since that's probably never going to happen even from a digital perspective, I'm cool with not worrying about the trilogy from the "last generation"...
Granted, my interest in Andromeda isn't as high as I thought it was going to be, so I guess I'm not missing anything yet until the pending future "Game of the Year" contenders says otherwise...
Granted, my interest in Andromeda isn't as high as I thought it was going to be, so I guess I'm not missing anything yet until the pending future "Game of the Year" contenders says otherwise...
Console bashing aside, that only really covers half the topic.Ezekiel said:
When it comes to simply having the ability to play the game into the future, your point has some merit. You won't lose it on PC, and the upcoming XBOne compatibility should cover it as well.
What it doesn't cover is the part that involves actually making the games better. I don't care about seeing ME1 remastered so I can play it on my XB1, for example. On that point I rather agree with the EA guy, some of the issues that were tolerable at best back then will be less so now (bugs, annoying mechanics, etc..).
But actually making the game better? That's something I could get on board with. I'd love to replay ME1 without all the bugs and with polish present by ME3. Converting ME1 to the ME3 engine probably isn't a reasonable hope, but the point stands that 'remastering' is (ideally) about far more than just being able to play an old game again the same as it was.
And on note the EA guy's quote doesn't make sense. His point is fine that old games often aren't as good when revisited in the future, because they're old. That's why you remaster it, so it's better than it was then.
Odd. Mass Effect is arguably the biggest new IP of last gen, and if anything was going to get a current gen port, I expected it to be Mass Effect. I mean, hell, if Darksiders 2 of all games gets a port, why not Mass Effect? That being said, though, I have to give EA a bit of respect for focusing on new IP and expanding on existing IP as opposed to just saturating the market with a bunch of games that have been out for years and everybody has played the fuck out of.
Oh well, at least the backwards compatibility on the Xbox One should solve this problem, or, y'know, you could just get it on PC.
Oh well, at least the backwards compatibility on the Xbox One should solve this problem, or, y'know, you could just get it on PC.
Both games already use the same game engine. They both use the Unreal Engine 3.Jadak said:
The problem would not be moving the combat mechanics from 3 into 1 (though I'd rather the other way around) but having to redo the levels.
Each of the games has levels designed for the type of combat it has. Mass Effect 1 for example has relatively few chest high walls and shields that are actually effective. Imagine putting the tissue paper shields from the second and third games into that environment.
Unfortunately, remasters do not have a particularly great track record of improving gameplay. Small changes can have dramatic knock on effects, for example fixing control issues can make a game too easy, and if the game is then made harder to compensate, it will not necessarily be more fun. It's a tricky thing to get right, and it's impossible to please everyone.Jadak said:
Less bugs is a nice idea, but it is far better to fix the original code, which has seen numerous bug fixes already, than to rewrite it and end up with thousands of bugs which aren't present in the original game.
As a PC Gamer, this is pretty foreign to me. Is this a thing? Do people actually get super upset if "remastered" versions of games aren't released? I would have thought that re-packaging and re-selling mildly spiffed up versions of aging classics would be viewed as mildly scummy business practices. Buy our game again, for the 7th time! With the super-special 10th anniversary HD remastered collectors GOTY edition!
That's rather how I feel. I'm not certain, but I feel like Mass Effect is most known for being a PC game, and all 3 games and all of their DLCs are still available through Steam and Origin. This might make sense 3-7 years from now, but even if this were a console exclusive I feel like most people who owned and played it on 360s and PS3s still own and play on their 360s and PS3s. Those consoles aren't that outmoded yet.undeadsuitor said:
HD Remasters make sense for PS2 and original Xbox graphics, but I don't think the graphical and performance disparity is great enough to warrant an HD remaster for Mass Effect. Even the first one still looks decent, and the third one came out only 3 years ago.
They are still making money with the ME3 multiplayer mode. I agree that the trilogy merits a remaster in the current gen, so people who didn't play the original (because they were too young or had no other console than a Wii) now can. But I think it will do better if they let the nostalgia for the good parts of the games sets in first.
2015 is ultimately going to be known as the Year of HD Remakes, so why not throw yet another goddamn game into the mix?
I'm all for remakes, but there is a time and a place for that stuff. The Mass Effect series isn't even a decade old yet -- it's still widely available on multiple platforms and can easily be picked up for less than $10.
All these silly, rushed-out-cash-grab remakes are taking up time and resources that could be spent on making new and potentially better games. The industry seems to be in a bit of a creative slump at the moment, and the last thing we need to be doing is encouraging them to remakes games they already made.
I'm all for remakes, but there is a time and a place for that stuff. The Mass Effect series isn't even a decade old yet -- it's still widely available on multiple platforms and can easily be picked up for less than $10.
All these silly, rushed-out-cash-grab remakes are taking up time and resources that could be spent on making new and potentially better games. The industry seems to be in a bit of a creative slump at the moment, and the last thing we need to be doing is encouraging them to remakes games they already made.
There's also the issue of licensing. For something like UE3, you have to pay for each console platform SKU. I recall the UE3 license is like $500,000, so that's $1,000,000 just to be allowed to release it for the XB1 and PS4. Then pay employees for a year or two to port and integrate as chances are, the integration from when ME was on the XBox 360/PS3 is much different to the XB1/PS4 version of UE3.
Also, if you've noticed, EA is pushing Frostbyte as the engine of choice since it's made internally, reducing the reliance on an external provider like Epic.
Not saying it's impossible (ME1 on PS3 anyone?), but the return on investment isn't actually looking that great at this point, especially when as mentioned, the PC version is handling the future compatibility just fine.
Also, if you've noticed, EA is pushing Frostbyte as the engine of choice since it's made internally, reducing the reliance on an external provider like Epic.
Not saying it's impossible (ME1 on PS3 anyone?), but the return on investment isn't actually looking that great at this point, especially when as mentioned, the PC version is handling the future compatibility just fine.
Too bad. I wonder what a remastered disappointment would feel like. Would the disappointment be remastered in such a way that it's still a disappointment, only new kind not yet experienced, or would disappointment be extracted and replaced with a positive emotion.