Economist Says Xbox One is Too Expensive
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I'm not at all interested in the xbone, but I can think of one way a heartbeat monitor could be used in games. Horror games specifically could use it to ensure that you are never calm. Heartbeat monitors are also used in anger management classes.faefrost said:
It's quite sad when using a bit of basic logic classifies you as an expert. Most of the people here could have told you that, and they're not getting paid for it.
What? Are you daft? Plenty of systems and accessories have the "system seller" that 100% justifies the whole investment.The Lugz said:
Games like Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time fully justified the cost of an N64, just as games like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy 7 made the Playstation a system worth buying.
Halo to Xbox. Pokemon to Gameboy. Sonic the Hedgehog to Sega Genesis.
Games so good they're worth the cost of a system all on their own.
So, once again, what does Kinect have that's so high in quality that it demands you slap down the money for it?
No. The kinect can only be turned off if the system is off. The article you linked says that. The info dump Microsoft did before E3 said that. All they've said is that the system can be turned off. The kinect cannot be off if the xbox one is on. They said the (kinect) sensor can be paused, but what does that even mean?StewShearer said:
Smart man. This is probably how they are hoping to make the Xbox division profitable again.faefrost said:
Maybe they'll cut some deals with large ISPs for all that broadband people are going to need for the fucking things.RandV80 said:
You're talking about an extra $100 for a console whose competition is estimated to be 50% more powerful. Of course it's over priced unless the Kinect is $150-200 of the price. Force feeding the kinect isn't much of a justification when some people don't particularly want or need it. As for the services? Are they talking the ability to watch my DVR feed on the XBO for some silly reason?
I'm guessing that the Kinect will eventually be removed from the bundle and the console priced cheaper, but here is the reason why it might not happen. Microsoft -knows- that if it does, if you don't -have- too buy and use the Kinect.. no developer in the WORLD is going too waste time and resources making Kinect games, just like almost none do now, because the Kinect is a piece of garbage. So they'll have essentially wasted every bit of effort they put into it if they admit defeat and don't package it in and make it required.
Depends on whether they make a console that dies due to internal defects.RhombusHatesYou said:
There's nothing wrong with loss leader. I think it's the other crap they pull that makes it less effective. When you have to spend billions to fix your mistakes, you're probably going to end up not winning. Unless you're taking in trillions, but the gaming industry just isn't big enough to merit that.
I don't know the numbers, but keep in mind they did just that with a release of the 360. I can't help but think that if it was successful, they'd be doing it for the Bone already.
The contract model may simply not work here. I do say "may," because I just don't know.
Correct, and I never said it was wrong in fact it's extremely easy to qualify this statement my problem with it is, it's the very definition of formulaic and you could make that argument about almost anything!Trishbot said:
your last sentence there explains what you mean allot better.
I agree it is a complete waste of money in it's current form, it needs a certain something to make it worth it as it only caters to people with money to burn on 'future tech' that isn't really useful like clapper lights and other similar crazy accessories before it it's just not helping the user to the point where it's a necessity, now if they'd made it so the camera tracks the controller and the player, you could have your lag free input and have different postures and character modes by moving the controller relative to you, ever leaned the controller while making a difficult jump in a platformer? imagine if the world tilted when you did.. now that's how to use an accessory like this just use it to augment the controls in a natural way it's possible but it just isn't being done, yet.
They're seriously using the Kinect as a defense for the pricepoint? The Kinect requirement is exactly why I'm NOT buying the console!
There's nothing wrong with the loss-leader model, no. It's why every year a new brand of razor with a ridiculous number of blades gets released. It works in the right circumstances.Zachary Amaranth said:
What I question is whether the circumstances are right for a loss-leader model for game consoles. If the industry hand-wringers are to be believed, used games are going to become even more popular which is a problem for the loss-leader model. Last time the numbers were thrown around and played with I think it came down to every console owner having to buy 5-8 new games a year for the first 3 years of the consoles product life for the manufacturers to break even on the loss-leader model. At 3 years it's assumed that console sales become break even and the console manufacturers can stop panicking over game sales.
At $650 for the PS4 and $749 for the Xbone in NZ both are way to high to tempt me. I'm gona wait for a while, after a year or so I might be able to find a PS4 around the $500 mark if there?s a sale on or something. I doubt the xbox will ever get low enough in price to be worth buying.
I'm sure plenty of other people feel the same way.
I'm sure plenty of other people feel the same way.
They've supposedly made it required for the system and I imagine a non-trivial number of developers have been making games with that in mind.Tradjus said:
the thing is that alot of people in europe (and especially the UK) have an average smaller houses than in the US, for many people (especially tall people like myself) simply dont have enough room to even use a kinect, so not only do i not want it, need it but im not even able to use it yet they still think i would like to pay for it? not to mention in europe we dont get alot of the TV features they showed off but we still pay more even before tax. The pricing on this is just a joke