Why do I get the feeling that EVE is primarily dominated by Congressmen, CEO's and Wealthy Entrepreneurs who can afford the time, money, and excel tabs worth of dullful information to play such a 'game'
Epic EVE Online Battle Erupts Because of Missed Bill
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Call me again when Star citizen stops putting a cap at 100 ships and allows a real player driven economy.Slash2x said:
Just a little update:Kumagawa Misogi said:
We are at nearly 50 titan kills: CFC 30 Kills / N3PL: 17 Kills
Because you dont understand Eve?Crimsonmonkeywar said:
Death by golden space dildo. (Look up the Avatar class titan to see what I mean.)
I guess that you guys are really working those new titan wreckage models. They still permanent in game wherever the titan died?
And on the excel tabs worth of stuff: I have never bothered with that. Mind you my main is ten years old now and I do a brisk business in everything from ammo to Titans. And business is booming! LOL
I guess that you guys are really working those new titan wreckage models. They still permanent in game wherever the titan died?
And on the excel tabs worth of stuff: I have never bothered with that. Mind you my main is ten years old now and I do a brisk business in everything from ammo to Titans. And business is booming! LOL
Bitter much?Slash2x said:
Also, Star Citizen is a completely different slice of cake. You will never see battles of the same scale, where thousands of players are fighting each other at the same time, because no server would be able to support such a thing. Star Citizen will be an exciting game but it won't replace Eve, no matter how much you wish it will. Both games can easily coexist in the market. Stop obsessing about how much you dislike Eve and start focusing instead on how much you're looking forward to the other game.
I love the epic stories with huge alliances and the stories of a thousand person battle where both sides fought for hours for victory but I've seen other people play it and honestly I'm not willing to play all the hours I'd have to just to maybe get the chance to participate in the fight, and even then I'm not the kind of person that'd be willing to spend a lot of real money on fake things so as far as I know I'd never be able to get the huge juggernaut ships that are the centerpiece of the battle, so I'm satisfied with just reading other peoples experiences.
Hope more things like this happen their always fun to read!
Hope more things like this happen their always fun to read!
Well, that escalated quickly.
I have nothing else. I know I'm going to get low content for this, but I have never seen a more perfect situation.
This is what pisses me off about the low content rule. Sometimes, a joke can be better when it's short. But apparently jokes can never contribute to a serious conversation so I end up having to pad out my posts with things that seem like points but are really just there so I avoid being caught in banhammer crossfire. Comedy is hard, and I think it can add to a conversation. Greatly, it can add to a conversation. It can keep it from getting too serious to talk about. Even when it's something trivial like this. I don't play eve, so what else can I add? What can I do? Tell me, mods. Because some jokes are too short for that low content rule of yours and extending them would ruin the humor. I don't want to be suspended and banned for some jokes. I really don't. I like this community and discussions. But some discussions do have perfect jokes that are just too short for the low content rule.
What do I do, mods? What do I do? I want to make people laugh, but I don't want to get banned for making an attempt. What do I do?
I have nothing else. I know I'm going to get low content for this, but I have never seen a more perfect situation.
This is what pisses me off about the low content rule. Sometimes, a joke can be better when it's short. But apparently jokes can never contribute to a serious conversation so I end up having to pad out my posts with things that seem like points but are really just there so I avoid being caught in banhammer crossfire. Comedy is hard, and I think it can add to a conversation. Greatly, it can add to a conversation. It can keep it from getting too serious to talk about. Even when it's something trivial like this. I don't play eve, so what else can I add? What can I do? Tell me, mods. Because some jokes are too short for that low content rule of yours and extending them would ruin the humor. I don't want to be suspended and banned for some jokes. I really don't. I like this community and discussions. But some discussions do have perfect jokes that are just too short for the low content rule.
What do I do, mods? What do I do? I want to make people laugh, but I don't want to get banned for making an attempt. What do I do?
Eve online:
The one game if have zero interest in playing at all, but love hearing story's like this about.
Makes it a little better to know people lost real money on it to
The one game if have zero interest in playing at all, but love hearing story's like this about.
Makes it a little better to know people lost real money on it to
I actually wanted to get into it, but the gameplay was just sorta... dull to me. That, and all of your skill training seems to be done in real time. This is good for those who have to work, since they can log in once a day, and their skills will still level as they go to work, but the sheer amount of time required to get some of them...Lunar Templar said:
A whole lot of people have the misconception that it takes forever and a half to be able to play EVE well. This is false. You can go out on your first day and pew pew things to your heart's desires. EVE is a sandbox. CCP put the sand in the box, but you're the one who has to play.
Also, this fight is still going on. See twitch feed http://www.twitch.tv/nick_fuzzeh
Oh and the most recent kill count as of this edit is 92 titans
Also, this fight is still going on. See twitch feed http://www.twitch.tv/nick_fuzzeh
Oh and the most recent kill count as of this edit is 92 titans
The thing is the only money you really need to spend on eve is the subscription fee. The whole equating the isk to real money is just to add a sense of scale for funzies, thanks to the fact you can buy and sell subscription time with in-game currency (650 million isk = $20 or so: the price of 1 month of subscription).Hawk eye1466 said:
Yeah, and EVE looks a lot worse than WoW in terms of the "it only starts getting fun after..." aspect.SonOfVoorhees said:
That said I think (some) MMOs have gotten a long way since WoW, mostly because the gameplay in WoW is kindof shit and the skinner box stuff ceases to be rewarding eventually. There are now action combat MMOs that satisfy the gameplay element in addition to more traditional "holy trinity" (WoW style) MMOs with vastly more tactical dungeon/raid fights, so much so that if you just play in unprepared pick up groups you'll get party wiped most of the time. So nowadays in good MMOs you'll actually have to apply hand-eye coordination or team micromanagement to win fights, which believe it or not goes a long way to make a game more interesting (this is coming from someone who also used to hate MMOs, but now tolerates them).
I think CCP is going to need to work more on upgrading their servers. These kinds of battles seem to be happening with increasing frequency. Of course, if this battle goes on much longer I think the titan population of EVE will be down by 50% percent or more and so there won't be as many ships to cause this kind of stress for a little bit. Unless of course someone calls frigates only and they get half the galaxy to swarm a system.
That's a lot of money. From what I've heard it sounds like it was all from one faction, too. Doubt they will be able to do much in the future, if they lost that much.vxicepickxv said:
Agreed. But I do love the stories I hear from EVE. They are always epic tales of betrayal, double crosses, and giant battles. I don't think I'd want to play, but damn I do enjoy reading about events from the game.MinionJoe said:Person in LoadingReadyRun chat just noted: EVE Online is boring as shit, but the news is amazing!
I think that sums up my feelings about the game quite nicely.
The Twitch battle coverage embedded above looks almost identical to what I saw over a half hour ago (because of time-dilation, I assume?), but the news coverage of the event is fascinating.
thank you escapist for another autorunning video i had to scramble the search for to turn off. can you please stop doing that? if i want to see it i will click on a link, thank you.
Lasting damage is GOOD. you should be able to feel the damage done to you if you are bad at it and another factoin should be able to incur damage to their enemy. this is how wars are won - make your enemy run out of ships and run to highsec with tails down. everyone workds in alliances. the big guys got a lot more pressure than some grunt grinding rats.
Titans definatelly have gotten more popular and you can buy one if you want it. heck, i could even afford one. that does not mean loosing 20 titans isnt a hit. sure an alliance like that probably has 100+ titans in their ranks, but thats A LOT of firepower and - most importantly - ISK lost. what matters is that you do more damage to your enemy than they do to you, preferably in a 9:1 fashion. this is how you defeat the enemy - by making sure it runs out of weapons.
I started playing after battleships already existed, but i heard how they were gamechangers. I also remember when first titan was built and whne it also was lost. It still takes half a year to even begin entering titan territory and such pilots are definatelly sought after. you can replace a ship, you cant replace a pilot.
a GOOD player with ship that costs 5 billions can probably earn 100 millions an hour running incursions. more if they got a really good team. assuming no other players interferes. so a trillion isk would take somewhat like 10.000 hours of grinding. and mind you, you cant jsut send 1000 men to do that - not enough incursion sites, but thats another problem.
Mind you, this assumes you already got a pilot with fitting skills/ships and ability to grind without peopel you are at war with interfering, which is the "perfect world unrealistic scenario" deal. actual income varies a lot on what and how people do it. a more lucritive thing is trading but you really need to know what your doing or get really lucky (or in case of goons actually run enough mercenaries to affect game economy since its player driven).
titan warship is the largest warship in eve universe. it costs around 70 billion last i heard and takes literally months to construct.
I guess its the opposite for nonplayers.
i do wish titan population, or heck all ship population would be halved. that would definatelly boost the economy and while i dont build ships i build other things they will be using. and there still be ships unless pilots quit, just instead of titans the people will be flying battleships or dreadnaughs while waiting for new titan to be built.
definatelly not everyone enjoys or understands eve, nor everyone uis part or want to be part of this. i prefer smaller more friendly alliances myself.Therumancer said:
Lasting damage is GOOD. you should be able to feel the damage done to you if you are bad at it and another factoin should be able to incur damage to their enemy. this is how wars are won - make your enemy run out of ships and run to highsec with tails down. everyone workds in alliances. the big guys got a lot more pressure than some grunt grinding rats.
Titans definatelly have gotten more popular and you can buy one if you want it. heck, i could even afford one. that does not mean loosing 20 titans isnt a hit. sure an alliance like that probably has 100+ titans in their ranks, but thats A LOT of firepower and - most importantly - ISK lost. what matters is that you do more damage to your enemy than they do to you, preferably in a 9:1 fashion. this is how you defeat the enemy - by making sure it runs out of weapons.
I started playing after battleships already existed, but i heard how they were gamechangers. I also remember when first titan was built and whne it also was lost. It still takes half a year to even begin entering titan territory and such pilots are definatelly sought after. you can replace a ship, you cant replace a pilot.
Doubtful. Unless SC actually runs a real player driven economy with no NPC oversight with actually conquerable things (reasons to fight for) and no cap of players on screen.Slash2x said:
Currently the safe and good way to earn isk is Incursion sites. there are more proftiable ways of course, and there are places in no security space you can get more rich or you cna get lucky, but we will take a stable good income source for this.omega 616 said:
a GOOD player with ship that costs 5 billions can probably earn 100 millions an hour running incursions. more if they got a really good team. assuming no other players interferes. so a trillion isk would take somewhat like 10.000 hours of grinding. and mind you, you cant jsut send 1000 men to do that - not enough incursion sites, but thats another problem.
Mind you, this assumes you already got a pilot with fitting skills/ships and ability to grind without peopel you are at war with interfering, which is the "perfect world unrealistic scenario" deal. actual income varies a lot on what and how people do it. a more lucritive thing is trading but you really need to know what your doing or get really lucky (or in case of goons actually run enough mercenaries to affect game economy since its player driven).
titan warship is the largest warship in eve universe. it costs around 70 billion last i heard and takes literally months to construct.
ironically, playing eve i can camp a gate for 2 hours and have fun with people in it, watching a person fighting PVP bores me.Barbas said:
I guess its the opposite for nonplayers.
didnt you mean to type 55 billion instead?\stringtheory said:
Ok, would that be the official record now? i heard 60 titan loses before but 92 sounds like a record.the doom cannon said:
This is false. because eve is not like WOW. you dont need to reach soem sort of barier to start having fun. there are many things you can do from day one for many different players to do. and you can reach the long term goals WHILE doing the shorn term fun if you chose to. Eve is made in such a way that it is YOU who make the choices, game doesnt tell you that "hey nwo you can fly a big ship you now must get one". its all about your choice.dyre said:
No team micromanagement will make you a definatel loser in eve. you can win against 3 times, heck 5 times as large force if you are good at tactics and they use blob warfare (a big blob of ships that are "Shoot anyone you like" deal). it may not be a twitch shooter but you need a lot of coordination to fly correctly (no, you dont just fly towards your enemy, thats making sure your enemy will hit every shot) and to turn on correct modules at correct time. sometimes as much as half a second delay to turn on the armor repairs module that sucks your capcitor dry may mean a life or death situation. thing is, you always have to guess is that half a second worth it in perspective of tactics.
if the attackers notify CCP beforehand they actually turn on seperate server meant just to boost events like these. and they already have massive server farms that run a lot. its not easy to have 5000 players all at same time visibledoing stuff. no other MMO is capable of that.Quazimofo said:
i do wish titan population, or heck all ship population would be halved. that would definatelly boost the economy and while i dont build ships i build other things they will be using. and there still be ships unless pilots quit, just instead of titans the people will be flying battleships or dreadnaughs while waiting for new titan to be built.
If you're getting auto-playing video ads (I assume you mean near the bottom of the page), I don't think that's meant to be happening. I was in the Tech Team chat the other day and FalloutJack mentioned it. I don't know who picks which ads are on the site, but it seemed like the staff weren't keen on that kind of ad either, because it's more annoying than simple banner ads in the margins. If you drop them a line there, they'll probably get rid of it. They might ask you to fill out one of these with screenshots:Strazdas said:
(link didn't work, it should be in the grey at the bottom-left of the page):
Basically, you're not alone!
The site I got the info from said the cost was only 5.5 isk, but that must be the cost for some other ship. Another article says that titans are around 140 billion isk. The 70 billion isk per titan is from threads from 2009-2011, so I don't doubt that the cost has gone up.Strazdas said:
I actually think the Goons might have won EVE. Thing about it, their only opposition are going to have lost 60+ Titans in this fight, and sure that can be replaced, but it can't be replaced instantly and even if it could it wouldn't be enough. How can N3/PL commit to any escalation in the next 2 months when it could turn into this again?
If they do it right, the CFC and RUS will drive home the advantage and take all the sov they can touch, escalating every single fight if N3/PL dare fight back. So N3/PL are either crushed or they don't fight back, which is going to crush their morale and potentially even trigger a fail cascade in N3 (and PL aren't going to get to pretend to be top dogs for a while).
So N3 loses all their sov, the CFC let RUS 'have' it and then wait a couple of months for RUS to dissolve into petty bickering and rivalry. They trigger another proxy war and clean up half of RUS... and then after that I genuinely think they can tell the world that they're going to conquer EVE and there won't be enough opposition to stop them.
And CFC diplos are good, every alliance is going to hear the whispers of 'turn blue or never own space again'.
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Sure after that they're going to have to dissolve the CFC or else die by their own success (my favourite idea would be if Goons declared war on the rest of the CFC), but what does that matter? They'd have accomplished one of the greatest achievements in gaming history
If they do it right, the CFC and RUS will drive home the advantage and take all the sov they can touch, escalating every single fight if N3/PL dare fight back. So N3/PL are either crushed or they don't fight back, which is going to crush their morale and potentially even trigger a fail cascade in N3 (and PL aren't going to get to pretend to be top dogs for a while).
So N3 loses all their sov, the CFC let RUS 'have' it and then wait a couple of months for RUS to dissolve into petty bickering and rivalry. They trigger another proxy war and clean up half of RUS... and then after that I genuinely think they can tell the world that they're going to conquer EVE and there won't be enough opposition to stop them.
And CFC diplos are good, every alliance is going to hear the whispers of 'turn blue or never own space again'.
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Sure after that they're going to have to dissolve the CFC or else die by their own success (my favourite idea would be if Goons declared war on the rest of the CFC), but what does that matter? They'd have accomplished one of the greatest achievements in gaming history
and then their empire will fall apart from being too scattered around and unable to defend everything at the same time! Should be a very interesting time in EVE nullsec. Thankfully I live in a wormhole.BrotherRool said: