Escape to the Movies: 300: Rise of an Empire
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What is this big one-liner MB was talking about? I don't think I'm going to see the movie, but now I'm curious. Anyone who's seen the movie... could you post it as a spoiler somewhere below?
The One Liner (spoiler warning)
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Themistocles and Artemisia have VERY rough sex as part of a ploy for her to win his favor. He says no, she basically skullfucks his fleet. At the end, she sees him and says, "You fight harder than you fuck!"
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Themistocles and Artemisia have VERY rough sex as part of a ploy for her to win his favor. He says no, she basically skullfucks his fleet. At the end, she sees him and says, "You fight harder than you fuck!"
I thought it was pretty good too. There was a million and one things they could have done to make that movie a lot worse, but it felt like they nailed what they wanted to do.SupahGamuh said:
Well, doesn't look so good to me. We'll see it sometime, but the movie feels like a videogame with a good sex scene. That's all. Isn't it funny how games try to be more "realistic" and movies try to be more "videogamey"? I mean, the colors in the movie seem helish and I know that's what they were going for, but I would prefer less colors shaders and more natural camera capturing when possible. I know it's all CGI now, but does it have to be bad CGI? I mean look at most of the scenes in the movie, they're so fake and abrupt. Why would 3d make something that looks fake better? I'm not against CGI, but if they really want to impress, they should try to make that CGI "feel" authentic.
Good review, I agree fully.
Now, one thing I liked around the original 300, that we don't see in Rise of an Empire, is that if you read the historical account of the Battle of Thermophiles, 300 doesn't stray much from the general events, despite being hyper-stylized.
This movie made me go read the Wikipedia articles of the main characters, and well, this time, all sorts of things are made up and deviate from historical record in major ways. Sometimes it doesn't, like Xerxes watching the Battle of Salamis from his throne, and probably having a crush on Artemesia. But for the most part, characters and events are disconnected from historical record in a more fundamental way than 300 was.
I understand why. If one were to stick to the historical record here, it would loose a lot of the drama that we have and wouldn't be as good a movie. So I can't even say I'm disappointed by the changes. Maybe I just wish that every event in history could be as cool as the Battle of Thermophiles. That's all I'm saying.
Now, one thing I liked around the original 300, that we don't see in Rise of an Empire, is that if you read the historical account of the Battle of Thermophiles, 300 doesn't stray much from the general events, despite being hyper-stylized.
This movie made me go read the Wikipedia articles of the main characters, and well, this time, all sorts of things are made up and deviate from historical record in major ways. Sometimes it doesn't, like Xerxes watching the Battle of Salamis from his throne, and probably having a crush on Artemesia. But for the most part, characters and events are disconnected from historical record in a more fundamental way than 300 was.
I understand why. If one were to stick to the historical record here, it would loose a lot of the drama that we have and wouldn't be as good a movie. So I can't even say I'm disappointed by the changes. Maybe I just wish that every event in history could be as cool as the Battle of Thermophiles. That's all I'm saying.
I enjoyed the HELL outta this movie. It was fun, pretty, and epic in both its fight scenes and the overarching picture it was painting of a united Greece taking on a giant military power.
And Eva Green. Holy crap. She is legitimately the coolest character on display here. That scene where it's essentially "Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, join me" that Bob mentions in the video? I feel like he's kinda downplaying that. Because lemme just say, hot damn man.
And Eva Green. Holy crap. She is legitimately the coolest character on display here. That scene where it's essentially "Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, join me" that Bob mentions in the video? I feel like he's kinda downplaying that. Because lemme just say, hot damn man.
I'm feeling a strong sense of deja vu. The review for 300 Rise of an Empire bears a strong resemblance to the review for Sucker Punch. Movie Bob just cannot resist a good action grrrl.
For someone who spends so many videos talking about social issues like feminism, it seems rather odd that Moviebob spends so much time lauding Artemisia in this movie- considering they turned the Queen of Caria into a *sex worker*. This is exactly the sort of sexist tripe that I'd expect considering the last movie turned the Oracle of Delphi into a sex worker. Frank Miller really has some issues and the fact that stuff like this seems to constantly find it's way into his dross would seem to indicate that he has some issues in the head.
Not even counting the fact that this movie has *Persian suicide bombers* in it.
Really weird to see someone who spends so much time focusing on social issues completely gloss over blatant sexism and racism in something like this, particularly after heaping so much criticism on the first movie.
Not even counting the fact that this movie has *Persian suicide bombers* in it.
Really weird to see someone who spends so much time focusing on social issues completely gloss over blatant sexism and racism in something like this, particularly after heaping so much criticism on the first movie.
It was an OK movie, definitely more substantive than 300, but the guy aping Snyder's visual style really needed to ease up on the blood effects. This movie had more splash than the totality of the Spartacus series AND the latest Mortal Kombat entries combined. Really, there is not that much liquid in a human body and it doesn't spray as shown unless followed by chunky bits. The FX just weren't as clean in the original 300, looking like it was walking a tightrope between 300 and that horrid Beowulf movie. This could easily have been fixed with a higher FX budget and more skilled artists. One reviewer mentioned that it might be cool to splice this film into the original 300 to make one epic, long Greek war film but the visual styles aren't quite so compatible and the transition from one to the other would be too jarring. Also the ending could have been stretched a bit longer.
Crypteia was considered an atrocity back then. That is one of the reasons so little is known about it. Sparats weren't exactly flaunting it.Hixy said:
You have to understand these weren't cities under a Greek flag but sovereign nations with standing armies and navies and when "differences" arose they went to war amongst them. And back then wars, were so many, so often and for so long that when the Persians came we were more than ready.
Hoplite fighting on familiar terrain, armed with long spears, sword and bronze armor won over massive numbers of low morale troops armed with leather armor, shrt spear and bow and no knowledge of Greece's unfamiliar terrain.
With that let me say that Athenians admired Spartans because they considered them a society that was "an ideal theory realised in practice". Just take a step and consider that the theory was Ares and practice was war. Other city-states managed to endure and overcome time and change and they wren't so cruel or war-like.
The first 300 was a phenomenally fun film. And if you're after a movie that you can sit down and enjoy some brutal action scenes, carnage, and don't want to think too heavily, is great.
I would say going into this one with the same mindset would be beneficial, because that is mostly what it is about. Watching it, I found it came of less epic than the story of the 300 Spartans, but that didn't matter because you get blown away by (like Bob said) the incredible performance by the villain, and get wrapped up in the film because it is excellently paced and knows what it is all about.
Bottom line, a very fun, mentally light, enjoyable film.
I would say going into this one with the same mindset would be beneficial, because that is mostly what it is about. Watching it, I found it came of less epic than the story of the 300 Spartans, but that didn't matter because you get blown away by (like Bob said) the incredible performance by the villain, and get wrapped up in the film because it is excellently paced and knows what it is all about.
Bottom line, a very fun, mentally light, enjoyable film.
Yeah well, I've been of the opinion for years now that Bob should keep off the politics. This is just one of his many moments. At the end of the day he seems to take any opportunity he can to indulge in white male guilt, slam the right wing, or promote extreme left wing ideals, and being consistent with what he's said before has never been his strong suit.Durgiun said:
Let me put it to you this way, when you get behind Bob's feminist declarations understand this is a guy who also went into a somewhat freudian slip/rant about her chaining a dude to the bed post and dominating him until he didn't know which was was up and didn't care.
He's also the guy who in reviewing "Piranha 3D" gave it a recommendation because you had two girls making out underwater (and he spelled this out using graphics and everything).
He's also in the past if I remember did what amounted to a lecture about female empowerment through sexualization, referencing Bond girls through the ages.
When Bob makes an attack for being "anti-women" or Frank Miller casting all women as "sex workers" or whatever else it's typically to reinforce something else he's going after, whether that's the right wing/conservative movement, or someone like Frank Miller personally for not agreeing with his general idealogy. He will say attack Frank Millers work on the grounds mentioned, but at the same time say "Piranha 3D" was entertaining and a big selling point for people with 3D machines, when just about all the female characters in that were sex workers as well (working for a porn producer doing a sort of "Girls Gone Wild" bit, the girls making out underwater for example were at it because he was filming them through the boat's glass bottom).
It's no big thing though, Bob has a lot of great information about geek culture overall, and he's fun to listen to, but you need to take the political rants and such with a grain of salt, and no, your not going to get a lot of consistency from him, other than taking every opportunity to go on the attack against positions he doesn't like. He's a lot like me from the other end of the political spectrum, albeit with professional level writing and verbal delivery skills. He also seems to have a somewhat larger axe to grind with the groups he's attacking than I do.