Escape to the Movies: Black Swan

Crono Maniac

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Okay. WOW. YES. A) This looks a hell of a lot like "Perfect Blue" B) Natalie Portman is awesome C) I LOVE Tchaikovsky D) I just watched the anime "Princess Tutu" and I am really interested in seeing a movie about ballet. E) Miiiiiindscrew! YAY!

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Aiddon said:
I've loved the guy since Pi. And yes, I do find it hilarious how people got up in arms over talking about sex last week. Or in fact any other episode of Escape to the Movies.
HE MADE PI! SWEET! I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT! YES! Top of the list, thank you Moviebob.
 

daskat

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can i has showgirls?
lesbionics... awesome?. movie bob get a girlfriend or a boyfriend or... a thingfriend
 

Hinoema

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Ok, no more Masterpiece Theatre for you, MB. I also agree with the general trend of the posts, especially this one:

"I also don't think it is fine the way in which lesbian sexuality keeps getting reframed as being about pleasing a male onlooker, and "lesbians" are always played as straight looking and straight acting women who remain sexually available to men. News flash, that has nothing to do with actual lesbians"

I agree. Plus, the film sounds like it was strong enough to stand without a 'pushing the envelope' scene.
 

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The accent was horrible and completely grating. But I guess since all you had was praise for the movie you had to inject controversy into the review somehow.

Still... don't use it again... please?

Will definitely see Black Swan, it's nice to see Mila Kunis graduating from "Meg Griffin" at long last. (Plus that "that 70's show" chick.)
 

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Damit! I REALLY want to see this but its NOT playing ANYWHERE NEAR ME (<----makes me sad)! WHY?!?!!?
 

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When you said "I am Robert" in that accent, I thought you were going to end that sentence with "Robinson". Ah, would that it were, would that it were...
 

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MasochisticMuse said:
MovieBob - quit it with all the sex already. We get it, you're straight and you're horny, good job. Does every single one of your reviews have to revolve around this fact? Your assessment of how hot the actress or actresses are in a movie and how well they perform their sex scene(s) has been the main focus of every single one of your reviews for... well, a very, very long time. You think you're so "refreshing" talking about sex in movies - you're not. It's not a taboo subject at all, the only reason people don't talk about it is because every movie has a sex scene in it, it's not that big a deal, and it's incredibly shallow to spend to much time talking about something that's just there for the trivial audience titillation (and yes, I realize there are some movies where the sex scenes have great symbolic or emotional meaning, but you don't take this into consideration at all. You talk about the sex in every single movie regardless of how relevant or meaningful it is).

Absolutely agree. He sounds like a horny 15-year old. I am sick to my stomach listening to the same crap and now I absolutely do not care if a scene like this has an emotional or symbolic deep meaning anymore. After being peppered with all of these stupid scenes all these years I see movies, I am absolutely done. It makes me want to not hear anyone talking about scenes like these anymore ever again. Don't worry, people, I won't critisize anymore here too, I know - if you don't like it, don't watch it. Won't bother you all anymore.
 

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This review is way too long. Bob made all his points by the 3-minute mark. And after the lesbian kiss discussion he basically repeated them again. I usually like his reviews but this one is more like a fan-rant. He can do better.
btw: I'm looking forward to watching it, too.
 

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EonEire said:
My biggest issue with "that scene" is simply this:

OMFG ITS 2 GURLZZZZ: Its a point in the film's favour.

OMFG ITS 2 GUYZZZZZZ: Its a point against the film.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm sick of the double standard surrounding same-sex scenes used in films and the overblown reaction one way or the other towards them.
I think this is a bit of false double standard. I think the real reason for the different reactions is that women aren't as attracted to the idea of two guys as guys are attracted to the idea of two women. I'll give you perfect counterpoint to Black Swan: Brokeback Mountain. Both are so far considered to be good films with attractive stars of the same gender involving steamy love scenes. And even though many women acknowledge Brokeback as a good film, I have noticed very few to go on about how "hot" the love scenes were. Its not a double standard, just women don't have the same reaction to guys that men have to lesbians.
 

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Another issue I want to address is the notion that its "creepy" that Bob likes movies with scantily clad women. I can guarantee that he is not alone in this, and furthermore, there is nothing wrong with it. As bob said, its crazy that people go out of their way to avoid a part of a movie that many people are obviously interested in. Reminds me of when Monster's Ball came out, and everyone pretended that they had no interest in the sex scene. If the directors thought these steamy scenes were inconsequential and that everyone really showed up for the "art", they wouldn't have these scenes in the movie at all. There is nothing wrong with appreciating a sexy scene.
 

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Wow, that accent was as shoddy as my Bostonian accent. And it was hilarious!

I have been looking forward to this movie for a while but I don't actively seek out any information on it. I still haven't seen the trailer and know nothing of this film besides the cast, crew, and, now, everything presented in this review. I hope that my city shows this movie, but I have no qualms buying it on DVD.
 

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NOOOB1 said:
EonEire said:
My biggest issue with "that scene" is simply this:

OMFG ITS 2 GURLZZZZ: Its a point in the film's favour.

OMFG ITS 2 GUYZZZZZZ: Its a point against the film.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm sick of the double standard surrounding same-sex scenes used in films and the overblown reaction one way or the other towards them.
I think this is a bit of false double standard. I think the real reason for the different reactions is that women aren't as attracted to the idea of two guys as guys are attracted to the idea of two women. I'll give you perfect counterpoint to Black Swan: Brokeback Mountain. Both are so far considered to be good films with attractive stars of the same gender involving steamy love scenes. And even though many women acknowledge Brokeback as a good film, I have noticed very few to go on about how "hot" the love scenes were. Its not a double standard, just women don't have the same reaction to guys that men have to lesbians.
I wasn't really referring to the gender of the people reacting, more to the fact that there is no way that Bob would have described that scene, from a non sexually attracted, standpoint as "character development" ect with such gusto if it was 2 guys.

The double standard exists because 2 women will get a much higher response and be a draw for the film because of the hot lesbians, where as if its 2 guys, just like brokeback mountain, you wont hear any screams of good character development from the general public or even critics (who aren't gay).
 

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EonEire said:
NOOOB1 said:
EonEire said:
My biggest issue with "that scene" is simply this:

OMFG ITS 2 GURLZZZZ: Its a point in the film's favour.

OMFG ITS 2 GUYZZZZZZ: Its a point against the film.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm sick of the double standard surrounding same-sex scenes used in films and the overblown reaction one way or the other towards them.
I think this is a bit of false double standard. I think the real reason for the different reactions is that women aren't as attracted to the idea of two guys as guys are attracted to the idea of two women. I'll give you perfect counterpoint to Black Swan: Brokeback Mountain. Both are so far considered to be good films with attractive stars of the same gender involving steamy love scenes. And even though many women acknowledge Brokeback as a good film, I have noticed very few to go on about how "hot" the love scenes were. Its not a double standard, just women don't have the same reaction to guys that men have to lesbians.
I wasn't really referring to the gender of the people reacting, more to the fact that there is no way that Bob would have described that scene, from a non sexually attracted, standpoint as "character development" ect with such gusto if it was 2 guys.

The double standard exists because 2 women will get a much higher response and be a draw for the film because of the hot lesbians, where as if its 2 guys, just like brokeback mountain, you wont hear any screams of good character development from the general public or even critics (who aren't gay).
Of course Bob wouldn't react that way to 2 guys, he is not attracted to men. If a female reviewer or homosexual reviewer finds the scene hot, then they would comment on it. You can't expect a straight male to be turned on by a gay love scene. Everything you're saying illustrates what I just said. You don't see a much higher response over gay scenes because women generally don't react to those scenes the same way men react to lesbian scenes.

And Brokeback Mountain was widely regarded as an oscar-worthy film, by straight and gay reviewers.
 

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Bob you know the Scott Pilgrim game has a button you can push for girl on girl action... it's not all that explicit but it's at your command. Psycho-thrillers don't do much for me. If you count American Psycho I guess there's an exception. Though that movie was hilarious... so i enjoyed it more as a comedy. I said it for the social network, I'll say it for this. I'll say it for the next 20 pieces of oscar ready material in the years to come. No matter how good the directing, acting, or cinematography are, there are some subjects I cannot be bothered to stare at for 2 hours. Thin romance, overly obsessed ballerinas, and the story of a multi-million dollar social network all fall in this catagory.

I'll accept the lable of pure subjectivity but for me it's difficult to care about these kinds of movies when pixar drops a gold character driven adventure like it's easy, and comic book movies are seeing production values I'd never have imagined.

You know why we generally don't celebrate erotic scenes in movies? The same reason you don't celebrate every time an alien gets shot in a halo game. That's the easy plug. The simple part to get right. So long as X amount of lead brings Y alien to a bloodied pile on the ground, it worked. Just as X amount of skin shown on girl Y and Z = sucess. Best part about it, due to social double standards even straight women are allowed to say a girl on girl scene is hot, so you get your chick flick crowd and frat boys satisfied. This is made cheesier by the fact that most of the time, you're watching a movie and it seems like somone hit the sex switch, as in the transporter boathouse scene. If I had known screaming bullets and near death experiences made girls randy, I would have likely had a much more exciting time in my late teens to early twenties. Oh theres that great one in gone in 60 seconds too... I don't want to turn this into a big pun with regards to Black Swan, so I'll refrain from comments about things that walk like ducks.
 

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NOOOB1 said:
I think this is a bit of false double standard. I think the real reason for the different reactions is that women aren't as attracted to the idea of two guys as guys are attracted to the idea of two women. I'll give you perfect counterpoint to Black Swan: Brokeback Mountain. Both are so far considered to be good films with attractive stars of the same gender involving steamy love scenes. And even though many women acknowledge Brokeback as a good film, I have noticed very few to go on about how "hot" the love scenes were. Its not a double standard, just women don't have the same reaction to guys that men have to lesbians.
1. Lots of women like guy/guy scenes. Heck that is entirely what slash fiction is about...which started back in the 70s.
2. Guys don't like actual lesbians. They like straight girls pretending to be "lesbians." And turning "lesbians" into sexual objects for straight men is irritating--especially considering that actual lesbians aren't attracted to men as a rule. As a note, in the porn industry there is "lesbian" porn made by straight men for straight men...then there is actual lesbian porn made by lesbians for lesbians. They don't look the same, the aren't filmed the same, the actresses don't look the same, and straight men don't generally buy the actual lesbian porn. There is a reason for that. Guys don't like actual lesbians.
 

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NOOOB1 said:
EonEire said:
NOOOB1 said:
EonEire said:
My biggest issue with "that scene" is simply this:

OMFG ITS 2 GURLZZZZ: Its a point in the film's favour.

OMFG ITS 2 GUYZZZZZZ: Its a point against the film.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm sick of the double standard surrounding same-sex scenes used in films and the overblown reaction one way or the other towards them.
I think this is a bit of false double standard. I think the real reason for the different reactions is that women aren't as attracted to the idea of two guys as guys are attracted to the idea of two women. I'll give you perfect counterpoint to Black Swan: Brokeback Mountain. Both are so far considered to be good films with attractive stars of the same gender involving steamy love scenes. And even though many women acknowledge Brokeback as a good film, I have noticed very few to go on about how "hot" the love scenes were. Its not a double standard, just women don't have the same reaction to guys that men have to lesbians.
I wasn't really referring to the gender of the people reacting, more to the fact that there is no way that Bob would have described that scene, from a non sexually attracted, standpoint as "character development" ect with such gusto if it was 2 guys.

The double standard exists because 2 women will get a much higher response and be a draw for the film because of the hot lesbians, where as if its 2 guys, just like brokeback mountain, you wont hear any screams of good character development from the general public or even critics (who aren't gay).
Of course Bob wouldn't react that way to 2 guys, he is not attracted to men. If a female reviewer or homosexual reviewer finds the scene hot, then they would comment on it. You can't expect a straight male to be turned on by a gay love scene. Everything you're saying illustrates what I just said. You don't see a much higher response over gay scenes because women generally don't react to those scenes the same way men react to lesbian scenes.

And Brokeback Mountain was widely regarded as an oscar-worthy film, by straight and gay reviewers.
That's what I said that its would not be viewed in a non-sexual context by a straight review and heralded as "character development" if it was 2 guys and Brokeback Mountain was only given pity reviews as the film itself wasn't even that good, all I saw was "look how progressive we are we gave that one film where the main characters are gay a good review". I said from a non sexually attracted standpoint, basing it solely on its merits towards the characters and in relation to the over all story, taking out the part where he got turned on by what happened and talked about how it was important to the characters and the story was still quite full of gusto, and those bits were not comments on the sexual side, if it was 2 guys and it was just as important to charters ect, it would not have been said with as much enthusiasm. The fact that it was 2 girls coloured how this was seen, and the same with 2 guys.