Escape to the Movies: Captain America

Hugga_Bear

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Hollock said:
I guess this really means no fantastic four cameo in the avengers movie :'(
Seeing as the Fantastic Four just hasn't worked and the most recent imagining was a complete flop and too new to change I'd be surprised if they went for it.

Anyway, I have to admit this and Thor were the most likely to fail in my mind, good to see it working out! I'll go see it once it's released here.
 

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I'm glad to hear it's a good movie, and I'm certainly going to go see it, but (begging your indulgence) I wanted to comment on a blurb in the end credits.

Re: Spider-Man. (Sorry, "The Amazing Spider-Man".) I didn't think it looked bad; it's all the things I've heard about it that make me squirm: That it was to be a lower-budget movie focused largely on teen melodrama a'la Smallville. And that it's existence is allegedly owed largely to the suits who couldn't keep their clumsy mitts off of Spider-Man 3 getting into such a shoving match with the director and cast that one of them finally said, "Fine! We'll make a new Spider-Man without you! You'll see!"

But what did irk me about the preview was sort of odd. There's a sequence where we move around from Spidey's perspective, climbing on ceilings, leaping off of buildings, etc. And it's rather well done. But in the conclusion of the preview, I felt myself saying "That's what you wanted to show me? Another damn special effects sequence that exists entirely for its own sake?! Aren't we getting spoon-fed enough of this shit?"

It's sort of a pity- I rather like Emma Stone.
 

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Well, I know what I'm doing tomorrow... Good to hear that they got it right: out of all of 'em, I thought that Captain America would've been the easiest to screw up.
 

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A relief, really. A few newspaper reviews painted it as merely competent, not a 'perfect' film. Like you said, even that might have been enough to avoid ruining Avengers by association (as in the kind of pall Green Lantern might cast on a Justice League movie).

If there was one that could've been screwed up royally it would be Cap's 'big nice guy patriot' persona in an age where such a thing has been all but relegated to the dustbin of history for Superheroes. Ironically, a lot of the storylines taking place after he was thawed out play on that kind of conflict- Cap being too uppity and morally straightforward for our time. The same personal problem as with Superman really, but for at least twenty years of movies, TV and comics he's had to deal with the way his powers and the propaganda of his chief nemesis work to distance him from his adopted people despite all his efforts. Cap's not quite that strong, but such a tension between him and the regular soldiers he works with is certainly feasible. He has to earn their respect through teamwork, to prove himself more than just a mascot in bright colors.

Hopefully Marvel can continue this winning streak into the main event, bringing out the best of these comic book legends when they're together. As Fantastic 4 proved, group movies are even harder to do right.
 

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Seriously? Perfect? I think that's a bit of a fan-boy driven overhyping.

Oh well, I'll take your endorsement and give it a squizz.
 

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Sober Thal said:
So I have to see Thor before I see Captain America?
No not really. It offers some background, but you won't have trouble following the story if you haven't seen Thor at all.
 

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for as long as i have been watching escape to the moves with bob, i can't think of a time when i havent agreed with him. Even if i enjoy the movie and he hasn't i often agree that the acting was shoddy or a bit eh. Like the green lantern i went with the mrs to see it, we nearly ended up play fighting in the cinema, i enjoyed it but found it oddly boring and inconsistent. Thor, i all out loved and as for xmen first class that was brilliant. For bob to come out now and say i know what i said about the other 2, but this... immense. Makes me put a post it on my screen telling me that bar a funeral of a close relative or someone im going to this with, i need to see this immediately :) cant wait.
 

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Sober Thal said:
So I have to see Thor before I see Captain America?
I wouldn't say that, really the only explanation in Thor about there being magic stuff is that it's there because Thor yo.

Just watch Cap knowing that magic exists as a part of the universe and it will all make sense.

On another note, i'd recommend watching Thor anyway, it's not a masterpiece but it does what it needs to do as a film and is pretty much essential of you plan on nerding all over the floor when the Avengers comes out next year.

Zing said:
Seriously? Perfect? I think that's a bit of a fan-boy driven overhyping.

Oh well, I'll take your endorsement and give it a squizz.
I don't think he's saying it's the perfect movie, it definitely won't be winning any Oscars, but it's the perfect Captain America movie. And i don't think Bob's capable of over hyping, he was reluctant in hype for Green Lantern (if you could call the two big picture episodes dedicated to it reluctant) and when it turned out to be bad, he damned it for all its imperfections. If he says this is good I'd be happy to trust his judgement.
 

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Wow.. way to fanboy out Bob.

Dont get me wrong its not a bad movie. Its just not what this degree of hype makes it out to be.

The biggest problem with the film is its bland. It is as shallow as a kiddie pool. Now I will grant you the MEs will prolly eat this up because as Bob puts it, the film lacks Irony... But it is also what makes the film a 2 hour ego fest of someone who wasnt really that interesting to begin with.

But hey.. One thing I will say is.. Its better than any superman film from recent memory. (and in my personal estimation any ever made)
 

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This is frustrating! Why do you have to take time aside all the goddamned time to note how a woman is "hot" on screen, when that's A) sexist (note how you treat men in reviews, now look again at how you comment on women), B) pointless (if for some reason the "eye candy factor" is going to play a part in my decision to watch the movie, there are posters and trailers that make such a thing easy to discern), and C) insulting (women have been in movies for how long? Shocker! A woman looks good in a big-budget professional visual arts performance! This isn't surprising to anyone anymore, and saying we ought to be surprised is expecting very, very low things of your readers/viewers). I'm not saying bodily aspects aren't significant in movies, but can you at least pretend to keep it relevant to the quality of the movie, rather than as a flow-breaking "It's like softcore porn in the middle of my movie!" aside?
 

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Hmm i was planning on skipping this one. My interest in Captain America as a character is pretty much nil, but seeing people agree with Bob here, i guess I'll give it a go.
 

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Hm, this review seems to be a bit too fan-biased.

Think I'll check out some other reviews before I spend 20+ dollars on this baby.
 

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Zeitgeist1983 said:
Sounds interesting... But will anyone care outside America?
Seeing as a lot of comments are "oh man I wish it wasn't out in a week!" I see there is some interest.
 

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Man for such a good movie theres a fair bit of negativity flowing out of this thread. Are we really all so jaded?

This is a good movie. Aside from loving comic books and the character itself, it was like watching Indiana Jones for the first time. It had just enough pulp to give it a minor edge without being overbearing to the point of camp. The characters feel real, even if they come out to 'super good' vs 'super bad'. Because yes, like Bob these characters can exist and be both entertaining and engaging, without being angsty, cynical, or demented. Theres a heart there.
Is it groundbreaking? Not really other than the interconnectedness that marvel is doing (and considering how much it bothers me that comic movies tend to refuse to do this. I really appreciate it). Basically, much like Harry Potter, this movie is for the fans, but it still has something for everyone. If you don't want to watch multiple movies just to get 'the big picture' thats fine. This movie thrives on its own. But Marvel is doing something Different. They're giving you individual stories that can be taken on their own or as a whole, to something simply NOT done in hollywood. and it is glorious for those of us who enjoy watching it all come together.
 

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Coming from a patriotic smaller country part of a very unpatriotic larger country that's traditionally felt some jealousy and resentment towards America, is this good patriotism going to annoy me? Because I'm sure that everyone who made the film knew that the hard part of the marketing gig and the film in general to a wider audience, was in the title.

I think I'm going to see this on your recommendation, but is it going to work for me?

EDIT: Also the way Batman has been portrayed in recent movies is basically as a straight nice guy when you look at it. Even nicer even because he's made out to be the guy, who will not only be willing to give up everything he has for other people, he's willing to give up everything he has for people who he knows are scumbags, including his love and his _reputation_. Heck even though he knows people are scumbags he's still willing to believe every day that at their heart they are nice people. He wouldn't even let the villain suffer his own karmic revenge

but that was just an aside
 

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BlackSaint09 said:
Can i have my Deadpool movie please?
Deadpool would probably too friggin awesome and thus overshadow everything Marvel has put on the big screen over the past ten years. Seriously, the Deadpool movie needs to be a satire of superhero movies' worst habits and pretenses