(Sorry to double post). My issue with the idea of legalizing citizens who have been here for an period of time is that it encourages a squatting mentality. Secondly, there's a reason why there is such a thing as illegal immigration, and no, it isn't because all politicians who support border patrol are a bunch of right-wing racist bigots, though I'm sure a infinitesimal minority falls into that group.370999 said:I was very much on the pro Arizonna side in the recent debate on it's new laws but I see no reasonw hy the US can't have a clause that if you live in the US territory for say, ten years and you can show that you could have work, then you should be allowed to be classified as a US citizen.So now you've got people who've lived here "illegally" for several generations - who've started families and lived lives and who have children who are natural-born citizens - and a lot of them are starting to ask *Gasp!!* that they be treated like PEOPLE by a government that has benefited from their presence by ignoring it's own laws, and NOW suddenly it's a HUGE problem
It's more complicated on either side, of course, but that's largely where the "anger" at the heart of this particular movie is coming from.
This is more of an argument to stop illegal immigration then it is to have unlimited immigration.This isn't about favoring anyone over anyone else. You are wasting your money trying to keep anyone out. And by not "showing compassion" you put thousands of people into the status of criminal. This means that they cannot work regular jobs and have to be paid under the table. That way, you get paid less than minimum wage and your boss blackmails you into working for free. Plus, you don't pay taxes because you don't have a social security number. This screws up the police and public schools because there's less taxable income. Because you can't make any money worth a damn, your kids get hungry. Then your kids start stealing so they aren't as hungry. This is how slums are born White people would do this just as easily when put into a similar situation and they did, like when the Irish and Italian immigrants got treated like garbage. This is how the mafia was born.
The age of unlimited freedom of movement is sadly gone. Sucks I know but no Soverign State is a charity. The Us is perhaps one of the more better states in terms of ethics and such but it is still a nations Tate and as such it's ultimate interest is maximize it's power to better serve it's citizens.
It's because illegal immigration does put a strain on society as a whole. For one, it does not allow individuals to be screened before coming into this country, and while I will openly admit that it's ludicrous to think that all illegal immigrants are criminal scum, the fact of the matter is, some are. Without an immigration system in place, we have no idea of knowing what type of person is coming into our country, and call me dirt, but I would have no qualms to saying no to someone who, in the past, has shown no qualms with continuously breaking the laws of his own country.
An argument against the "squatters privileges", as I'll put it now, is that there isn't enough merit, in my mind, to support it. I do not think that the illegal immigration law is unconstitutional enough, at least with some severe skewing of the intentions of the document, to say that it should not be followed. I am also outright sick of the argument of "If we don't do it, no one will", in reference to the undesirable manual labor tasks. News flash, I've personally seen and known people of several ethnicities who have picked up these tasks you labeled "undesirable".
Secondly, the idea that they'd pay taxes if we just make them legal. By what logic do you think they would? To be honest, this is the nature of the beast, but I have not heard many voiced opinions from this group of individuals stating this. The chance of them not doing so isn't so minuscule that it's beyond consideration. This may be hard to believe, but some individuals might actually enjoy their undocumented..Actually lets not mince words, illegal status because it allows them to fly under the radar on such things.
Sorry for rambling, despite this if I will go see the movie, and might actually enjoy it. Even if I disagree with its message, I will still support the movie if anyone attempts to censor it (which is conceivable). I might not agree with the message, but I still support free speech.