Escape to the Movies: Scre4m

[Devil's Due]

I agree, Bob. The 90's seriously sucked. The only redeeming quality in the 90's was StarCraft and the good ol' C&C.

As for the movie: I'm not even going to bother watching it because it is trying to be hipster with the 4 in it. Seriously, I refuse to read reports that I'm given by cadets and the like if they try that stuff with me, why would I watch a movie with a director that can't spell?

 

[Mister Linton]

Bob, can we go at least one week without you nerd-raging against the jocks? Okay, we get it, you were totally picked on in school, and it was completely unfair, and it was just because you were better than all those that picked on you and you intimidated them with your intelligence. Fine.

It's really time for you to let go of this and move on. You are one of those people who didn't go to their high-school reunion because "F*** those guys, I'm better than those jerks *sniffle* and all my internet friends agree!" right? That's really not healthy.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

I didn't think the 90's were great, but not that bad either, just meh in some aspects.

I thought that whole review was nothing more than him bitching, which was getting rather annoying, not that I don't agree with him on some things about that franchise. I don't watch any of the Scream movies because they are good horror movies, I watch them for the train wreck. I know they are shit, and I tend to watch bad horror movies for the laughs, not to be scared.

 

[maninahat]

He's the problem though, the entire Horror Genre is crap, formulaic, horribly written, and always pushing for the lowest denominator, so you can't really be upset that this is the same thing.

That's not true.

Really is the 90 so bad? we had many great movies during that era

But a much lower ammount of good movies than in the previous and subsequent decades.

Wrong, we make a higher percentage of good movies now than we ever did (partly because they've become so damn expensive). The difference is that over time, the shitty movies get forgotten about completely and cease to exist. The 90s is too close to forget all the crap that came out with the good. Movie Bob once mentioned "Romance of the Stone", a shitty movie that was suppsoed to be big but has shrank into obscurity since. Give it another ten years and no one will have ever heard of it. Give the 90s another 20 years, and most of it will be gone.

 

[Just_A_Glitch]

The Scream series is towards the top of my list of "Most hated movie franchises ever" list. I've always hated them, for many of the reasons you've listed.

My biggest complaint you didn't mention though? How is it that everybody who dons the Ghostface mask suddenly comes down with a terrible inner ear infection? Because nobody can be that clumsy by nature. Seriously, if he came at me, I wouldn't even bother to run away. If for some reason I didn't just fight the dude (he's average human with a knife. Throw a lamp or something. It will hurt like hell), I'd just casually walk away. He's going to trip over himself at least sixteen times rushing after me, so what's the rush? Maybe stop for coffee along the way.

 

[fozzy360]

People are living today because of my everyday duties, I don't need some random dude's validation.

Oh, wow. When you have nothing else to say, you have to pull that crap don't you? Of course you need validation. Else, you would never had made this statement. Don't fall back on this, thinking people will just excuse your stupidly generalizing comments that contribute nothing to discussion because of your duties. It isn't just stupid, it's disgusting. Instead of calmly trying to make a point in a reply, you try and play a guilt card while tucking your tail between your legs. If someone class you out on your opinion, don't act like a child.

 

[Stickfigure]

Ethnocentricity is not the same as ethnicity. Ethnocentricity can be applied to the USA.

You say this is about the viewpoint of urban/suburban America. FYI I'm British.

Your whole pop-culture argument is like a kid trying to win a football game on a technicality. I find it quite pathetic.

On the other hand, I agree with your point on natural disasters.

However, my point is that you generalise the 90s solely based on your experiences, yet you bash Bob for doing the same. Double Standards much?

Lastly, I am not trolling. I just happen to disagree with you.

Ethnocentrism, etymologically speaking, bears the root "ethno", based on "ethnos" greek for "people," contextually racial groupings, though on rarest occasions it can also mean tribe(i.e. not the norm). It is often misused to convey nationalism too, which is why it can even appear in simplified dictionaries like Merriam-Webster or Random House(not to be confused with Oxford English). While I can accept the purpose behind the statement, it does not make it correct.

This is not a technicality. If you watch a baking show and they say 1651 was a great year because the Mille-Feuille was brought into the bakers' popular lexicon, they are definitely ignoring the disappearance of Buise. If you choose to ignore context and squawk about largely unrelated things because you lack the comprehension to recognize the circumstances, that's fine.

"The 90s sucked" is a quote from the protagonist of The Wrestler, played by Mickey Rourke, and was meant as a delightful jab at not only the condition of wrestling and the world from the perspective of the broken down coke addict who uttered the line, but held the double meaning that Rourke had fallen largely by the wayside in the time he is lamenting. The line has been used several times by MovieBob, a reviewer of movies, comics, and even occasionally games. The line has always been used in the context of discussing comics, movies, and to a lesser extent games, and often to precede a diatribe on how something from the 90s, or that took place within the 90s, was bad. Thus the context to long-time viewers is meant to be that of a media-oriented context.

What's more, I never declared the 90s "BEST DECADE EVAAARRZ!" I said that the 90s did not suck. They had plenty to offer to many, and many great things that exist now have their roots in there. He made a blanket statement, yet again, and I offered content that conflicted with his opinion. If it turns out he hates animaniacs, Silent Hill, The Shawshank Redemption, and internet porn, then perhaps I have no leg to stand on.

My problem isn't your disagreement. It's essentially that you're argument is based on nothing relevant.

For instance; if I were in an argument with Bob about who's a better hero, Spider-man or Wolverine, based soley on their powers, and you came in and said "Spider-man was better because he had the superior character design," that would be a flawed argument, since it wasn't what the debate was about. The quality of the 90s in this area is being judged soley on global media and personal experiences, not the living conditions of Bosnia.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Yeah, I think I'm done listening to ya.

Same here. There was a topic recently about why people didn't like MovieBob and I didn't post in it because I didn't want to seem mean. But this was pretty much played out like a list of reasons why I don't like him.

Sorry, Bob, but I'm finished. But it's not like it will affect you because even if you do read this you'll just act like I'm the bad guy from Revenge of the Nerds or something because I disagree with you.

 

[twm1709]

Well... I'm really disappointed in you here Bob. I've disagreed with you in the past but I've always felt that at the very least you made valid points. You're perfectly entitled not to like the Scream franchise, I'm not a big fan either, but quite frankly you didn't give a single valid criticism in this review and came across as an elitist who hates the movie because it dared to put their interest further into the mainstream and (gasp) you had to suffer through normal people taking a slight interest in your special subject. As much as I hate the term and people who use it without knowing what it even means, you came across as a pretentious hipster.

You basically could have shortened the review to 'How DARE they take my special thing away from me!"

He did this very thing with videogames too. I remember him ranting about the Plasytation bringing in the douchebags (AKA maintream audiences, AKA anyone not like him) to his special little world.
You know Bob, perhaps you should stop demonizing those jocks who bullied you during the 90s and realize you have only your own obnoxious smartass self to blame for being made fun of.

 

[n03s]

That whole part about the 90s, is very stupid.. especialy when coming from someone like bob..
compared to what the 90s sucked..? from what perspective..? you cant say stuff like that.. lol
its like you trying to convince someone, what his favourite colour should be..

 

[Necromancer1991]

I will say scream was an intriguing experiment when it came out and it had a lot of firsts, of course that's not to say it's awesome (it's still REALLY bad), but it was fairly original. That aside this is a bad sequel to a bad movie, the concept of a self-aware slasher movie is no longer new, it's no longer fresh ,why hell it's bordering on cliche at this point! I'm not surprised this movie sucks, but to rag on Wes Craven is a bit much, he's put out good movies (Nightmare on Elm Street), but he's laid his share of rotten eggs too.

 

[daitsdudes]

So this was pretty much a grown man griping about a movie that took away his not talent. Awesome. Moviebob opinion should usually be taken with numerous grains of salt ever since his review of Sucker Punch.

 

[michiehoward]

One thing I have to ask.

Courtney Cox not have a substantial career after this?

Now obviously not to the level of Drew Barrymore granted but c'mon she's Monica from Freinds.

funnily enough Cox, more likely in terms of monetary earning has had a better career then Barrymore. Cox was making 750,000 an episode in Friends 7th and 8th season and then a one million an episode for the 9th and then final season.

 

[rayen020]

please do a blog or big picture or something to qualify and/or quantify why the 90s sucked. Also besides the emergence of the superhero genre please explain how 2000s sucked less. because maybe we all look back on that first decade with rose colored glasses but the 90s always seemed better for me. Gaming-wise it was probably the best decade we ever had.

 

[Stickfigure]

Well you say personal experiences, but what do you mean by that? This is a genuine question because don't the personal experiences of Bosnian refugees count?

I believe that the when we are discussing the merit of a decade we should not be restricted to pop-culture, despite being on a site dedicated to pop-culture. Why are you so against broadening our argument?

Ethnocentricty, despite the name is a term often used when one places great importance on one cultural group, rather than ethnic group. For instance, a study where all participants are American can be described as ethnocentric.

Lastly, I apologise fro replying to your comment in the first place. It was me venting my frustration at people constantly praising the 90s as the best decade ever. It was misdirected and I apologise.

I apologize myself for calling you a "half-wit." I was taken aback by the seriousness of the response and felt justified in defending my point. That does not, however, require name-calling. You clearly at least possess good cause for pursuing your argument, and the wherewithal to support it, however much I disagree with its propriety in this situation.

Ethnocentricity is a very widely misapplied term, the like of which has only been matched by "hacker." I suppose given its commonality now, even its greater use in scientific terms, I'm being more pedantic than anything else. It probably is only months away from it in the OED, but I still get all sensitive on what I still consider its misuse. I get the same way when people speak in the third person about an unnamed subject and use "they" instead of "he/she." Conversationally it's... acceptable to me, but it's still not right. Yet, anyway. It wasn't the main point of my multi-point argument, but I stand by it all the same.

I am against the broadening of the argument by virtue of the fact that it brings needless complications to a simple subject. In terms of media and entertainment, I feel the 90s was pretty good. Damned good, in fact. I by no means think it's perfect, and cannot argue so, but it wasn't a bad decade, and provably did not "suck," a sentiment MovieBob has issued many a time.

As far as personal experiences; if someone from Bosnia does interject, I will accept his views on pop culture and media as much as anyone else's. Hell, let them discuss ethnic cleansing if they so choose, I won't stop them. However, I think the limited scope of the initial argument allows the points to be more easily covered. No single decade was "better" or "worse" than any other, overall. But in limited sets we can at least discuss the finer points of quality.

(P.S. Yes, I am aware of the hypocrisy of my grammar errors and railing against the debateably more acceptable misuse of the word "ethnocentric." English/Greek lit majors are weird that way.)