Escape to the Movies: The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - The Movie That Broke MovieBob

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It's OK, Bob, us nameless internet folk are here to support you!

Besides Batman, they really suck at this, right? Right?
 

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I think it truly says something when not even Man of Steel could illicit this kind of response from Bob. Sure he doesn't like that movie but I get the feeling that he believes Warner Bros. may possibly be getting their act together and is waiting for the sequel to see how it all pans out. This though this is just heart breaking to hear. And the great problem with it all. It won't fail Spider-man will never fail. They've gotten smart enough to know how not to make a Batman and Robin level disaster such that even in the wake of bad movies a franchise can still bounce back from it *looking at you X-men*. If this film did fail and the rights go back to Marvel I would be happy. Sure I personally wouldn't be in the mood for another Spider-man to show up so soon but knowing that he is in the hands of Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios would ease my mind because they at least care about the characters so that when a new Spidey movie shows up you know he'll be treated with the love Raimi treated him with all those years ago.
 

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King Whurdler said:
DAYYYUMMMM! That's pretty brutal Bob. I maintain that the Sam Raimi directed films are objectively better than these new ones based solely on the fact, regardless of one's personal tastes, Raimi clearly made the movies he wanted to make.
Apart from the third one obviously.

OT: After the reboot getting the greenlight as quickly as it did, I knew I wanted to have nothing to do with these new movies. Good thing I never dove back in it seems. The fucking conspiracy plot would likely have sent me into a frenzy by itself.
 

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I knew you'd hate this movie but I didn't really expect this. This review just really wanted to make me give you a hug, Bob. It's sad to see someones passion quashed like this. Not that I actually agree with you about the film, but it's sad nonethless.

The film has many many problems, the tone attempts to straddle comedy, drama and romance all at the same time and never quite pulls of any sort off transition between the three, the dialogue can be both cringeworthy and entirely useless. It's a mess structurally, it seems like barely a minute can go by without someone explaining things to the audience of recapping what has already happened in the first film. The Green Goblin shows up way too late in the story, I agree that the plot takes random detours into things that have nothing to do with anything and I definitely agree with you that Electro gets too much screentime. His teleporting looks more than a little similiar to that really cool scene from Watchmen and the final battle with him is more than a little... completely ripped off from the ending from Iron Man.

I get why you hate it, I really do. There is a lot to hate. But whenever Peter Parker donned his mask my immediate thought was "this is actually kinda awesome". Pretty much any of the scenes where it's Spider-man instead of Peter Parker just really worked for me. I thought the acting was pretty on point; Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone's obvious chemistry elevated the script in places, Dane Dehaan was fantastic when he actually got to the meat of the role and Sally Fields is always great.

I liked how Gwen Stacey actually had a character this time, instead of the "I'm inexplicably in love with you even though you've only spoken 3 half formed sentences in the past 5 minutes" from the first one. She prioritised her own happiness and the film never seems to call her an asshole for it. She actually has autonomy, hurrah!

There was a guy on Cinefix that said this is the best Spider-man movie ever made; I wouldn't go anywhere near that (spider-man 2 is in my top 3 superhero movies), but I think I'd call this "Alright". Not great, not good, just alright. Passable.
 

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Hugs?

I've never liked Spiderman so always stayed away from the movies but it's still sad to hear a review like this, as it certainly sounds like this might become the more and more prevailant in superhero movies.
 

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Good God... I'm so sorry, Bob.

This is what happens when a studio holds onto an intellectual property not because it has some sort of vision for it, but because it sees it as a cash cow. We'll be stuck looking at a series of soulless sequels, just so Sony can squeeze every last cent they possibly can out of Peter Parker.
These movies are so bad they are doing actual brand damage. You'd think there would be a way to stop this tragedy, I don't like the "hey lets sue someone" mentality, but could threat of a lawsuit put enough pressure on Sony to make them rethink their bad behavior? Probably not.

Alternate solution: Could Marvel studios make the movie and have Sony distribute them or something?

Somebody needs a beating.
 

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It's funny and sad that I felt the same feeling when the How I met your Mother finale popped up. It actually made depressed for a week.

Pretty sure, I'm going to get THAT comment. Yes, I'm aware that not anyone find the show funny or good. I got into it. I've learned, laughed and cried during its time. To be a fan and then be crushed like that is a very bad feeling. It's something that made you feel good about yourself for a while. Then, it died and you couldn't stop it.

That's why I can feel Bob's pain. I may find AMS 2 to be good ( I doubt it), but I know that I lived that gut-wrenching feeling of watching something lose its meaning. For that, Bob, I can empathized.
 

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You may have found that review hard to write, but from this perspective it's hard to watch.
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I seriously hope this doesn't break out into a flame war because Bob doesn't like this film. He clearly doesn't need it.
That would imply that people were seriously hyped for this movie, which is something I doubt.
gjkbgt said:
Wait come to think of it didn't bob voice strong opinions that fanboy should calm down and get over the rage.
There isn't any rage in this video; only exasperation, disappointment, and bleak, bleak nihilism. Remember, he referenced Lovecraftian cosmic horror, in which the protagonist's mind breaks and loses all hope, not when they become Mad Max. Sure, it'll probably boil into rage later, but even then it wouldn't be (entirely) fanboy rage because the anger is directed at dumbass capitalists who are willing to piss on classic works of art for (poorly thought out) money reasons.

gjkbgt said:
I know, he'd say that he doesn't like this film because of its commercialism not its quality, but he forgave all that in the avengers side shows (Iron man 2)
This doesn't even make any sense. He hates the movie because it is (qualitatively) terrible, and the movie is terrible because of a poor attempt to steal the money the other Marvel movies are making.

gjkbgt said:
I know that bob is also of opinion that give true objectivity is impossible, his opinions are allowed to be biased. But the question arrises who is this review for, cause bob's bias in this case seems to be he hates everything about the films, so is this a review of the amazing spiderman for people who hate amazing spiderman?
It's possible to give rational analyses of things you despise. I, for example, hate Deus Ex: Human Revolution with a passion that could burn houses down, but if you asked me to sit down and give it a formal review I'd say the game is good and give it a score somewhere around 4/5.
 

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I can relate to you Bob, in that I had the same feeling when I watched Ultimate Spiderman, the cartoon series, for the first time.

The first amazing Spiderman didn't strike me as the cynical cold cash grab of a movie, just that it was only "Okay". The Ultimate Spiderman (cartoon) pissed me off to an unreasonable degree, from little touches, like Shield developing a better webshooter than he could (only Parker should know how to make those thing, THATS WHY NO ONE ELSE USES THEM), to his character being reduced to an unfunny douche bag version of Ferris Bueller, because, according to Executives, "Kids only like random humor."

It seems like this movie did the same to you Bob. I see why Sony is trying so hard to make the Spiderman Universe so radically larger, but its clear that almost every creative decision in the movie is a result of Movie executives trying to imitate what Marvel did in the shortest time possible. I bet not a single one of those people even picked up a comic book to try and understand what people actually liked about the character.

Whats worse is that no matter what, these assholes will always be in charge, at least of Spiderman.
 

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SonOfVoorhees said:
I read about the ending on wikipedia. An if it does end that way then id react the same way. lol. They are world building as quick as possible. Same as what DC are doing with BvS to get their JL movie set up. All the suits are rushing everything to make Avengers box office while ignoring what Marvel had to do and the time and risk to get there.
Except I get the impression that DC does actually care to some degree about their characters. Sure Man of Steel may not be the best movie but there were hints and touches in there that told me "Yeah that's Superman" in so far as origins go they gave him a firm building block for actual character development as the movies go on. With TASM I liked it on its surface at first. However when I got to thinking about the villain and spidey himself the movie just got worse and worse in my mind. There is still hope for the DC Universe. Even though Victor Stone is in the next movie apparently its just a minor role. Maybe smaller then Black Widow's was in Iron Man 2. Also Zack Snyder is a great director, especially of action. If a decent writer actually worked on the movies I'm sure the DC Universe would be awesome. I mean he did direct Watchmen, 300, and Legend of the Guardians and none of those I would call bad films by any stretch.
 

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I can relate, if you took this exact review and replaced the word "spider-man" with "x-men" you'd have how I legitimately feel about the live action wolverine movies, because they are all wolverine movies. I hate them as much as bob hates AS2.


OT: I am really sorry, and you know what, i'm not going to see it. at least not pay to see it. I wasn't super enthused to begin with but after this review. wow, no thank you.
 

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It wasn't a good film, there were some entertaining set pieces but I don't really like Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker (I'm still a Tobey Maguire fan) because he's just too 'cool' and with it. Peter in this seems to have none of the problems being Spider Man normally causes apart from being almost late to a couple of important things. But even then he shows up in the nick of time and manages to be cool and confident about everything as he swishes about with a stupid grin.

Garfield's only saving graces are his obvious chemistry with Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy and the clear signs that he's having the time of his life making this. That little jump for joy he does after helping Gwen was actually quite funny.

I'll give Dane DeHaan his dues, he did actually do a good job of convincing me Harry and Peter used to be best friends despite having no mention of Harry in the first ASM. Decent performance from him.

But other than that, Electro didn't actually do that much. Something that really annoyed me about him was how he got his name. He just picks it from nowhere with no reason behind it. At least Green Goblin and Doc Ock (Raimi films) got named in an interesting way. Rhino was barely in it either, and the Rhino suit looks remarkably stupid. More than that, there is the continuation of Peter being central to things he doesn't even understand and don't matter to the story. The stuff with his parents and Oscorp and everything else.

Boo on you film. Boo I say.
 

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The Lovecraftian thing seems appropriate, I got a brief flashback of Maximilian Roivas at the line "it broke something in me."
[sub][sub]"May the rats eat your eyes!!"[/sub][/sub]
Take care, Bob, if Yahtzee can resist the voice of his Mad Ocelot God, I'm sure you can too.
 

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I kind of agree with Bob on this. I like bits of this film, even Bob admitted that the Electro fight scenes are pretty cool, but that and everything else I liked just gets drowned out by the sad fact that Sony has no creative interest in Spider-Man other than as an easy way to build a long franchise that other companies have done better.

It is actually really unfortunate that Sony's going to stick with this franchise for countless years and make money off it whilst making Spider-Man films that sacrifice everything good about Spider-Man for the sake of, as Bob puts it, advertising for their future films.

I remember being annoyed at Bob for not liking the first Amazing Spider-Man but I really can't remember why. That film too had good bits but had the shadow of Sony's unfeeling money making hand hovering above it at all times.

I do disagree about Andrew Garfield though, I think he's an alright Spider-Man, I prefer his sarcastic loner version of Peter to Tobey Maguire's awkward moron version of Peter.