I found the film to be incredibly mediocre. It inspired no hatred but not much joy. I thought the balance between action and drama was too tilted. I didn't expect much action but the shakycam killed my mood.
Yeah, I kinda guessed that... but then I wonder why someone would send in soup. If I'm supporting them, I'd send in the meds quickly. It made me think the soup was... not sent by a sponsor or something.EnigmaticSevens said:(1.) A definite slip, could've easily been explained with a TINY BIT OF DIALOGUE while Haymitch was chatting with the Sponsors. Air dropping items is ludicrously expensive, and becomes exponentially more expensive as the games wear on. It usually requires several obscenely rich sponsors pooling their resources to get most parachutes dropped.
Risky? It makes it bad TV. It's the equivalent of someone getting knocked out of survivor for misspelling a word or something. It's anticlimactic and dumb. If I was watching TV to see children kill each other, I'd feel cheated if all the contestants died from berries.EnigmaticSevens said:(2.) Poison makes it risky. Yeah so and so was all boss during training, and he seems like a great fighter, so you invest in him. A pity the dumbass ate the spotted mushrooms.
Wha... no. No. No. No. No. No. No. ...No. What? No. First off, we know she can hunt. Second off, you just made a comparison between contemporary America and this alternate fictional universe. Finally, my beard is cake. So your statement is invalid.EnigmaticSevens said:(3.) You assume that hunting is easy. If I took a kid from each of the 50 states that comprise the US, how many of them do you think know how to hunt? 8, if you're lucky.
This is only kind of a good point. We saw them shooting targets from seventy feet away and hitting their mark exactly... We saw the knife girl hit her in the face. We saw a little girl climb a really big tree... and we saw her do it while she had an injured leg, yet no of the lethal assassins could figure out how to climb the tree or shoot her? That's just dumb.EnigmaticSevens said:(4.)And you would've lost all of your arrows leaving your bow lovely and useless. Once that quiver is empty, it's empty, and hunting through foliage to retrieve stray arrows is not exactly an option when there's a dozen people around looking to kill you.
I get that Rue was the humanist, but I'd probably have killed all of them in that situation. If not I, then I think someone else might have. It's kinda... strange. And also, if they got stung twice as many times... so six? Then I would expect them to (if they are not instantly killed by the poison) die from dehydration, but that doesn't happen. Instead, they go about, as if they weren't stabbed at all, and they gather all of the supplies into one spot AND they boobie trap it... with a lethal dose of poison in their systems.EnigmaticSevens said:(5.)Got stung plenty, everyone got stung, thus the lull in the action. How else would a little waif of a girl have to time to doctor our mighty huntress for two days. Things effectively came to a standstill while the major threats slept of the venom.
I wasn't saying that I expect him to be evil, I'm just saying that his personality was never explained. Wouldn't it have been cool to find out that he once had a brother who died in the hunger games? Or something like that? The affection that they had him display was misplaced. Also, what is this, D&D?EnigmaticSevens said:(6.)No society is Always Chaotic Evil, a handful of folks are bound to realize that, "Hey, this is some pretty morally questionable shit, perhaps we should... you know, work against it and stuff."
Okay, but I'd think that if his life was on the line, he might listen more closely. The pressures he felt weren't well explained. Was there some other force pushing him to make it more entertaining... aside from a drunk? Seems like a stupid reason to risk your life.EnigmaticSevens said:(7.) He did, he simply erred in judgement. Why does Icarus fly to close to the sun? He was making a helluva show, things just got out of hand, and at the end, he panicked and conceded when he should've blow the upstarts to smithereens.
It was a specific scene... not the one where they were rolling on the ground. The one where katniss is hit in the head by a knife, and the knife chick is running full speed. It just seems kinda stupid for a knife chick to not have a knife when she is a knife chick.EnigmaticSevens said:(8.) People tend to be rather averse to being stabbed, they wiggle and struggle a lot. Believe it or not, knifing a struggling target is not a simple matter. Shift your weight the wrong way, and what was once a struggling sap, is now on top of you, and angry.
I'm not a grammar Nazi, I just pointed it out because I'm a fan of the books.The Human Torch said:*you'reChunko said:*Eragon. Sadly it looks like your right though.canadamus_prime said:Oh boy, it's going to be Eragorn all over again.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Captcha: make a bee-line.
Damn straight captcha, damn straight.
When a person's suffering from a sever fever brought on by an ill treated laceration (blood poisoning/ septicemia) it's incredibly difficult for them to retain solid foods, yet its vital that they remain hydrated and continue to take in nourishment (this is why mothers treat ailments with gatorade and chicken noodle soup). It goes, food < medicine < weapons, in terms of cost. By this stage in the game, sending anything other than food would've damn near bankrupted not one, but several individuals. Even mild medicine is expensive, much less magic medi-gel that instantly heals wounds.Raharu Haruha said:Lolness.
Yeah, I kinda guessed that... but then I wonder why someone would send in soup. If I'm supporting them, I'd send in the meds quickly. It made me think the soup was... not sent by a sponsor or something.
But-but if today's variant of lucky fool on Deal or No Deal chooses the wrong briefcase, he'll go home penniless and that'll be anticlimactic.Raharu Haruha said:Risky? It makes it bad TV. It's the equivalent of someone getting knocked out of survivor for misspelling a word or something. It's anticlimactic and dumb. If I was watching TV to see children kill each other, I'd feel cheated if all the contestants died from berries.
She can hunt. One person, one girl, out of 24 competitors. An arena is not based around one person. If she can take advantage of it, good for her. But everyone else? When do they learn to hunt, when to they have the opportunity or the resources? The majority of them are from vassal states with different terrains and environments, and even the Careers focus on straight up killing over hunting/gathering, because a forest this time, may be ruins next year, may be a desert the next, might have no animal life the next, etc.Raharu Haruha said:Wha... no. No. No. No. No. No. No. ...No. What? No. First off, we know she can hunt. Second off, you just made a comparison between contemporary America and this alternate fictional universe. Finally, my beard is cake. So your statement is invalid.
1. The only person capable of hitting a target with an arrow at seventy yards is currently in the tree. The knives have a shorter effective range (when handled by little Caucasian girls and not Apaches), and a javelin is unwieldy at best at that given angle. You know what's fascinating about trees? Often times the higher you go, the less weight the tree branches will support. All of a sudden being the skinny, hungry chick from future West Virginia has an immense advantage for Mr. well fed, 200 pounds of muscle. Sure you could send the little knife happy one up after her, but that's hardly strategically sound. Attacking a defensible position from a lower level? There are easier ways to commit suicide. How many armed forces need charge dramatically up a hill only to be shredded to pieces before this simple stratagem becomes easily recognizable. Personally, I'd have set the tree on fire and waited, but considering the fact the 'wait her out' option was proposed by the one person who didn't want to see her die... one should expect the plan to be fundamentally flawed.Raharu Haruha said:This is only kind of a good point. We saw them shooting targets from seventy feet away and hitting their mark exactly... We saw the knife girl hit her in the face. We saw a little girl climb a really big tree... and we saw her do it while she had an injured leg, yet no of the lethal assassins could figure out how to climb the tree or shoot her? That's just dumb.
All supply gathering and booby trapping occurs before the Career pack were stung, that's how they could afford to go howling into the woods after prey. Add to this the fact that how long each of them were down is an unknown. We don't know their metabolic rates or inherent physiological resistances or deficiencies. In short, poison effects people differently. What brings one down, may only make the other sluggish. What puts one into a coma, may only case the other to hallucinate wildly for six hours. Personally, I'll not take a chance messing with a trained killer tripping balls.Raharu Haruha said:I get that Rue was the humanist, but I'd probably have killed all of them in that situation. If not I, then I think someone else might have. It's kinda... strange. And also, if they got stung twice as many times... so six? Then I would expect them to (if they are not instantly killed by the poison) die from dehydration, but that doesn't happen. Instead, they go about, as if they weren't stabbed at all, and they gather all of the supplies into one spot AND they boobie trap it... with a lethal dose of poison in their systems.
Mercy does not need an immediate rationale, that's what I'm saying. Some people will actually realize that instead of this 'fun entertaining spectacle', this young girl is about to be subjected to a possibly horrific death, maybe she could use a hug. Compare Cinna with Effie and you have two contrasting views of the Capitol population. Sure most of them are high on their own supply and more then happy to indulge the spectacle, but a few did have the sheer nerve to perhaps fill a touch of, oh, I don't know, guilt or remorse.Raharu Haruha said:I wasn't saying that I expect him to be evil, I'm just saying that his personality was never explained. Wouldn't it have been cool to find out that he once had a brother who died in the hunger games? Or something like that? The affection that they had him display was misplaced. Also, what is this, D&D?
Would I have loved even a brief cutaway to establish those pressures? Yes. But it's really not that hard to construe. His judgments felt sound to him, even he panicked in the end. It's easy to sit back and call the decision stupid, but that's a luxury. When/If you have an actual job, you will at times make poor decisions, even if the answers seem clear in hindsight. Everything is clearer in hindsight. A pity those mistakes will still have consequences. Some of those consequences might be fatal.Raharu Haruha said:Okay, but I'd think that if his life was on the line, he might listen more closely. The pressures he felt weren't well explained. Was there some other force pushing him to make it more entertaining... aside from a drunk? Seems like a stupid reason to risk your life.
Apparently we're not watching the same scene. By my count, knife chick (Clove) had three knives at the least.Raharu Haruha said:It was a specific scene... not the one where they were rolling on the ground. The one where katniss is hit in the head by a knife, and the knife chick is running full speed. It just seems kinda stupid for a knife chick to not have a knife when she is a knife chick.
For one talking about Bob getting a thicker skin, you sure don't take your advice. Great googley moogleyRaharu Haruha said:snip
Paolini? I wasn't asking about Eragon, I was asking about The Hunger Games. Unless by some freak coincidence the two authors share a name.animehermit said:There are much better fantasy series out there, with much better authors who write them. Paolini is extremely derivative and his writing doesn't make up for it. None of the characters are developed at all, including main characters. So, no, don't read the books.BehattedWanderer said:Good to know. I haven't been told by many people that I should read them, so I've kept out of them. Out of curiosity, would you recommend them on their value as a literary series alone?
Oh... were we arguing? I'm sorry.EnigmaticSevens said:Tut, tut bro. Someone who's a big enough fan of FLCL to tag themselves as Raharu, should not have this much trouble grasping relatively simple concepts (half of these aren't even holes, just "I woulda done..." arguments. I'll go through these one more time, then I'm done with this. You desire further detail, read the book, that's what its there for. *points to former comments*
When a person's suffering from a sever fever brought on by an ill treated laceration (blood poisoning/ septicemia) it's incredibly difficult for them to retain solid foods, yet its vital that they remain hydrated and continue to take in nourishment (this is why mothers treat ailments with gatorade and chicken noodle soup). It goes, food < medicine < weapons, in terms of cost. By this stage in the game, sending anything other than food would've damn near bankrupted not one, but several individuals. Even mild medicine is expensive, much less magic medi-gel that instantly heals wounds.Raharu Haruha said:Lolness.
Yeah, I kinda guessed that... but then I wonder why someone would send in soup. If I'm supporting them, I'd send in the meds quickly. It made me think the soup was... not sent by a sponsor or something.
But-but if today's variant of lucky fool on Deal or No Deal chooses the wrong briefcase, he'll go home penniless and that'll be anticlimactic.Raharu Haruha said:Risky? It makes it bad TV. It's the equivalent of someone getting knocked out of survivor for misspelling a word or something. It's anticlimactic and dumb. If I was watching TV to see children kill each other, I'd feel cheated if all the contestants died from berries.
But if today's contestant on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire gets the first question wrong because he a dumbass, he'll go home and that'll be anticlimactic.
But if the first challenge on Survivor involves a modicum of physical effort, some people might fail and then they wont get immunity, but I liked them! But they got sent home, how anticlimactic!
All reality game shows involve an element of risk. Why? Because they're are 23 other contestants, and if you're dumbass wasn't clever enough to check and see if anything else was eating this stuff before stuffing it down your gob, too bad.
She can hunt. One person, one girl, out of 24 competitors. An arena is not based around one person. If she can take advantage of it, good for her. But everyone else? When do they learn to hunt, when to they have the opportunity or the resources? The majority of them are from vassal states with different terrains and environments, and even the Careers focus on straight up killing over hunting/gathering, because a forest this time, may be ruins next year, may be a desert the next, might have no animal life the next, etc.Raharu Haruha said:Wha... no. No. No. No. No. No. No. ...No. What? No. First off, we know she can hunt. Second off, you just made a comparison between contemporary America and this alternate fictional universe. Finally, my beard is cake. So your statement is invalid.
1. The only person capable of hitting a target with an arrow at seventy yards is currently in the tree. The knives have a shorter effective range (when handled by little Caucasian girls and not Apaches), and a javelin is unwieldy at best at that given angle. You know what's fascinating about trees? Often times the higher you go, the less weight the tree branches will support. All of a sudden being the skinny, hungry chick from future West Virginia has an immense advantage for Mr. well fed, 200 pounds of muscle. Sure you could send the little knife happy one up after her, but that's hardly strategically sound. Attacking a defensible position from a lower level? There are easier ways to commit suicide. How many armed forces need charge dramatically up a hill only to be shredded to pieces before this simple stratagem becomes easily recognizable. Personally, I'd have set the tree on fire and waited, but considering the fact the 'wait her out' option was proposed by the one person who didn't want to see her die... one should expect the plan to be fundamentally flawed.Raharu Haruha said:This is only kind of a good point. We saw them shooting targets from seventy feet away and hitting their mark exactly... We saw the knife girl hit her in the face. We saw a little girl climb a really big tree... and we saw her do it while she had an injured leg, yet no of the lethal assassins could figure out how to climb the tree or shoot her? That's just dumb.
All supply gathering and booby trapping occurs before the Career pack were stung, that's how they could afford to go howling into the woods after prey. Add to this the fact that how long each of them were down is an unknown. We don't know their metabolic rates or inherent physiological resistances or deficiencies. In short, poison effects people differently. What brings one down, may only make the other sluggish. What puts one into a coma, may only case the other to hallucinate wildly for six hours. Personally, I'll not take a chance messing with a trained killer tripping balls.Raharu Haruha said:I get that Rue was the humanist, but I'd probably have killed all of them in that situation. If not I, then I think someone else might have. It's kinda... strange. And also, if they got stung twice as many times... so six? Then I would expect them to (if they are not instantly killed by the poison) die from dehydration, but that doesn't happen. Instead, they go about, as if they weren't stabbed at all, and they gather all of the supplies into one spot AND they boobie trap it... with a lethal dose of poison in their systems.
Mercy does not need an immediate rationale, that's what I'm saying. Some people will actually realize that instead of this 'fun entertaining spectacle', this young girl is about to be subjected to a possibly horrific death, maybe she could use a hug. Compare Cinna with Effie and you have two contrasting views of the Capitol population. Sure most of them are high on their own supply and more then happy to indulge the spectacle, but a few did have the sheer nerve to perhaps fill a touch of, oh, I don't know, guilt or remorse.Raharu Haruha said:I wasn't saying that I expect him to be evil, I'm just saying that his personality was never explained. Wouldn't it have been cool to find out that he once had a brother who died in the hunger games? Or something like that? The affection that they had him display was misplaced. Also, what is this, D&D?
Would I have loved even a brief cutaway to establish those pressures? Yes. But it's really not that hard to construe. His judgments felt sound to him, even he panicked in the end. It's easy to sit back and call the decision stupid, but that's a luxury. When/If you have an actual job, you will at times make poor decisions, even if the answers seem clear in hindsight. Everything is clearer in hindsight. A pity those mistakes will still have consequences. Some of those consequences might be fatal.Raharu Haruha said:Okay, but I'd think that if his life was on the line, he might listen more closely. The pressures he felt weren't well explained. Was there some other force pushing him to make it more entertaining... aside from a drunk? Seems like a stupid reason to risk your life.
Apparently we're not watching the same scene. By my count, knife chick (Clove) had three knives at the least.Raharu Haruha said:It was a specific scene... not the one where they were rolling on the ground. The one where katniss is hit in the head by a knife, and the knife chick is running full speed. It just seems kinda stupid for a knife chick to not have a knife when she is a knife chick.
Knife throw -> head wound
Arrow shot -> dodged
Second knife throw -> dodged
Tackle
Grapple
Body lock
Third knife to throat.
Wah?Aiddon said:For one talking about Bob getting a thicker skin, you sure don't take your advice. Great googley moogley
But...but there's scenes where people say terrible things about violence and then other people reply with laughs or happy comments! That's totally social commentary! And random Nazi iconography is totally deep! And comparing modern reality tv based on social conflict to violent gladiatorial battles with children is totally logical! It's not like there's another movie like this, but instead it's about the Japanese school system and does it subtly...-|- said:There are people on this thread critiquing this like the film is valid social commentary or the books somehow count as literary. Brilliant - now that's satire.