Escape to the Movies: You Are Wrong About Spider-Man 3

deathbydeath

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Not going to lie, when I saw the jazz club scene again I had flashbacks to the Fatboy Slim Weapon of Choice video:
[youtube]XQ7z57qrZU8[/youtube]
Where's Christopher Walken when you need him?
 

Buizel91

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Casual Shinji said:
Holy fucking shit, that new Spider-Man movie must be the worst damn thing in the world if it has you remembering Spider-Man 3 in any positive way.

I love the first two Spidey movies, but the third is terrible in every way no matter what angle you try to view it from.
ASM 2 really isn't all that bad, Perfect? Hell no. Spiderman 1 and 2 still win in the Spiderman films department. But ASM 2 is by no means awful, In fact, it shows that Sony now has it's footing with ASM as a movie series, if this was the first film, it would have set the standard, the fact it's a sequel really doesn't help it at all. I really hope they do something great with the sequels. They really need to raise the bar.

Again, Not perfect, but my no means are these films un-watchable as Bob seems to think.
 

Seracen

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I always rather liked Spider-Man 3, so this is refreshing to see.

This thread is going to get messy, though...
Agreed. I never really had a problem with Spiderman 3. There were a lot of flaws, and one could tell it was the first draft of a screenplay. A few edits and reshoots could have saved the film (ie: dat EMO scene, amusing, but unfortunate). However, there was nothing in it that spoke "reboot" to me. They could have simply continued on from there, recasting as necessary.

But then all the marketing gimmicks would have been harder to place, I suppose. I still think the Fox Universe could benefit from the inclusion of Spiderman, and vice versa. It's sort of hard to be excited for so many spinoffs without being concerned about bloat. At least the Marvel Studios films have several different characters to carry the various plot threads.

It's a lot easier to juggle a wider universe when you have several different movies, with different plots and motivations, that only have to loosely tie into the main overlying plot (ie the Avengers separately don't HAVE to be bogged down by the plot of Avengers 2).

EDIT: I actually LIKED Jack Nicholson's Joker killing the Waynes. In fact, I liked the take on Batman, even if it wasn't true to the source material (though Gotham was). I see Micheal Keaton's Batman as a younger version of Frank Miller's "Dark Knight Returns."
 

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I liked Spider-Man 3. Mostly because of Sandman (I didn't mind that he was the guy who killed Uncle Ben, weird though that may seem), granted, but it's certainly becoming a better movie in my eyes retrospectively due to how awful the ASM flicks are.
 

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I think I can look back on Spider Man 3 with a little more sympathy. No, that isn't enough to make me go back and watch it.
 

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Wait you thought that was better than the Dark Knight Rises? I thought you liked that or at least think it was ok?

Also danm, I thought the stinger at the end was going to be Bob opinion on the latest Godzilla trailer.
His stance on TDKR was always "good, not great". It really felt like the kind of movie that had even more glaring flaws the more you thought about it. CinemaSins and RedLetterMedia already skewered it pretty well.

It's an interesting defense on Spider-Man 3, Bob. I can actually agree with a lot of it. I feel it's a scenario very much shared with The Phantom Menace which you similarly reviewed a while back. Sure, the movies aren't particularly good but the circumstances for it's time really made the movie's flaws seem far more glaring in a public light than it ended up becoming, and in a way it overshadows some of the dues it pays off. Hell even Nostalgia Critic defended this movie years ago.

The video could have afforded not to have the clickbait title though. People will probably get really hung up on that.
 

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I always knew to stay away from the ASM series after finding out they were written by Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, the dynamic duo responsible for the writing of the Transformers trilogy.
 

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Looking back on them now, I think the whole serious of Rami films are flawed, the second being the only one I would call decent, personally. 3 is downright bad, a cluster of nonsensical scenes and character motivations and of course utterly failing at doing anything interesting or respectful with the Black Suit.

And despite Bob's own opinion on the Amazing series (again, OPINION, a word Bob does not seem to know sometimes... mostly this time), that does not retroactively make something good again, a bad film is bad.
 

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At this point, Bob is just trying too hard.

The first two Spider-Man films were pretty good, I'll grant. I'll never like the casting that much (Maguire made for a good Peter Parker but a bad Spider-Man, Dunst was just plain wrong for the part, Franco is... Franco, and while Bob is right in that they may never try to replace JK Simmons, a few good casting decisions don't make up for all the bad ones), the films are campy (no, that's not honest, heartfelt emotion. I've got no problem with emotion. Raimi breaks into camp at the drop of a hat because it's Raimi, and Bob might find that over-acted, over-played scenes make for emotive impact, I find them... well... over-acted and over-played), and I find Raimi's bizarre need to make all of his villains tragic heroes (seriously; he basically sets it up so that almost none of them are responsible for their own actions, choosing instead to make them victims and missing the entire point of many of Spider-Man's nemeses: that these are people who obtained powers by accident and then made the choice to ignore the whole "with great power" bit), but the first two films do stand on their own as decent pieces of filmmaking.

The third film is a turd, well past the point of polishing. It's terrible, it killed the original series, got Raimi kicked out of the director's chair, and wound up with Sony scrambling to find some way of salvaging that mess before the film rights reverted to Marvel.
 

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Seconding the comment on J.K. Simmons as J.J. Jameson. I swear...every time I see JJ in those films, I keep thinking Stan Lee really can break the fourth wall and enter the Marvel universe because it's like they got the REAL JJ to play himself! Hell...that portrayal of JJ inspired me to make a "Top Ten Live Action Portrayals of Established Characters" list on another message board. (Which...I haven't completed yet...)
 

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Spider-man 3 was horrible for multiple reason,tone being one of them. All the trailers and poster you see had Peter looking miserable and looking like they had put him through the wringer. The movie comes out and what do we get? peter acting like a complete goof. Also while it is debatable that Toby was a good Peter Parker, He was a lousy Spider-man
 

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MovieBob said:
You Are Wrong About Spider-Man 3

After his review of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/9126-The-Amazing-Spider-Man-2-The-Movie-That-Broke-MovieBob], MovieBob takes a look at 2007's supposedly bad Spider-Man 3, directed by Sam Raimi.

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ok bob I think toby is the better peter(though the dance scene is wrong on so many levels) but Garfield is the better Spiderman. Now first and foremost the biggest issue I have with all of ramis spiderman movies is it portrayed peter as an unintelligent person who though smart couldn't get grades in collage due to being late all the time. That one I know and love runs a science program at EU for underprivileged students and actually does great in school.

as for how peter with the venom suit should act see the 1994 cartoon were he puts on a business suit and looks like a professional.
Also the fact that ramis spidy didn't have web shooters kinda pissed me off.
 

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venom is freaking awesome

venom is one of spiderman best villain, becouse he leaves peter parker in a state of paranoiac Helplessness, he basically already has Peter Parker in checkmate position and he is just cat playing with his food .. he doesn't just know peter Parker is spiderman ..he know everything there is to know about peter Parker, what he likes to eat, when he goes to the bathroom
what are his credit cards numbers , where he hides his porn, who is the people near to him, what are his fears and flaws .. worst than that. venom can shape into anyone and pretend he is them and because he doesn't trigger the spider sense peter Parker as spider man is also helpless, he is stronger , he is faster and more resistant

Venom is Peter Parker is worst nightmare and thats why he is cool

the problems is that writers just don't seem to understand the character or know what they want to do with him , you can clearly see this when they come up with awesome ideas like making Eddie Brock Anti- venom .. a character whos power is to cure people and sees venom as personal demon that he want to get away from ... a guy that by all sense an logic should be in a hospital curing kids from cancer ... what does marvel do with him ... tell the same old "venom lethal protector" stories that had been told a hundred times already .. because marvel was just looking for a way of selling venom as an anti-hero and villain at the same time
 

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Honestly, I liked MOST of Spider-Man 3. Everything through Peter ditching the Symbiote Suit was enjoyable. It's just everything after that was just... urgh. And yet, I remember going to a pre-release for whatever the new Magic set was at the time, and heard people saying the entire film was awful. Now, I'm not going to deny the silly Harry & Spidey vs. Sandman and Vemon thing wasn't stupid. It was. But there was plenty of good movie in there.
 

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Raesvelg said:
The third film is a turd, well past the point of polishing. It's terrible, it killed the original series, got Raimi kicked out of the director's chair, and wound up with Sony scrambling to find some way of salvaging that mess before the film rights reverted to Marvel.
I hope you realize the only reason Spider-Man 4 got cancelled is because Raimi willingly withdrew from the project due to him not considering it possible to finish the movie when Sony wanted it done, and he hated every iteration of the script that the creative team was shitting out for him.

Being a turd isn't stopping Sony's extended plans to continue the TASM series, even after TASM2's cripplingly mediocre reception. Spider-Man 3 was still the movie that made Sony the most money out of any Spider-Man movie, and the only reason that series died is because Sony were terrible at handling a plan B.
 

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Bob we get hat you don't like this new strange and scary spider-man but you didn't have to go and felate the dead carcass of the previous series. I mean seriously you're defending spider-man 3? 3? I think maybe you need to step back and look at yourself before continuing on.
 

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Hang on.... Isn't it jim sterlings job to be defending bad films? What the f@£k is going on!?!
 

Joey Banana

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Haven't seen the latest Spidey flick yet but from what i remember, all four movies were solid entertainment. The first two Raimi movies could be objectively called good movies (my standard for "great" is a lot higher, though), i guess. Each film had their flaws (some more than others) but in the end, there isn't all that much to hate or love about.

Whatever, you kids have fun arguing, i'm just sitting here rewatching The Spectacular Spiderman yet again only to cry myself to sleep afterwards over the injustice of its cancellation.

(Not to forget, both live action franchises are still better than the current "Spiderpool" cartoon)
 

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Not sure I agree Bob. I'm sorry you felt ASM2 was a mess (and I agree with you on that point), but Spider-man 3 isn't better because of it, it just mean there are now more bad movies in the Spider-man movie group then good ones now. I know, hard to swallow but it's just joining the likes of Superman and X-Men.